It just all depends where the money is at; it is Wall Street that owns
Washington, and Washington will play to the tune of Wall Street. So figure it
out: is Mandela good or bad for Wall Street.
I am so glad there are people posting who remember Mandela's approach to
"liberation," and social equality. I have no idea how many people died
violent deaths under his influence, but I am NOT a Mandela fan, and I am
horrified to see him being remembered as a good leader when his deeds tell
another story. Thank you to those of you who reminded us of his history, which
has been well documented. Why anyone would want any leaders to follow his
example is beyond figuring out.
Mandela brought people together.Republicans in Washington get money
from their rich donors to obstruct President Obama, and republicans who watch
Fox News are fooled by Rupert Murdoch into thinking that awful behavior is
called for, since they have been fed lies.Mandela was for equal
rightsRepublicans in many States have instituted restrictive voting
rules that effectively damage the rights of minorities who vote Democratic,
while pretending, via race baiting, that voter fraud is a an actual problemMandela was for all peopleRepublican office holders are very
unlikely to find Murdoch, the Kochs, Rove, etc suddenly telling them to put the
interests of Americans ahead of their own wallets.Doubt it? Why was
Romney not discredited badly after the last election, when we all heard him, in
his own voice, denigrate 47% of Americans? Because most republicans agree.
@2bits,See some of the gems in response to the article titled
"Utahns react to death of Nelson Mandela" and a recent comment to
"Mandela's greatest achievement may be yet to come." Go attack
those statements instead of lobbing accusations of strawmen and faux outrage to
racism at me.
@ Res Novae 3:48 p.m. Dec. 10, 2013,Re: "Considering that some
of the DN's commenters have asserted that there was nothing wrong with
apartheid"...Can you site any names of posters who said
"apartheid is OK"? Or was that just a straw man you made up? I don't know anybody who thinks there is nothing wrong with apartheid.You're not one of those "anybody who's not a Democrat is a
racist" kinda guys are you?
I appreciate all the wonderful criticisms by the leftist readers of the desnews
who hail Mandela as a saint.Saint? That depends on your view.For instance, if the following Mandela quote inspires the greatest
within you, then he surely is a saint: “We Communist Party members are the
most advanced revolutionaries in modern history…the enemy must be wiped
out from the face of the Earth before a Communist world can be realized.”
– Nelson Mandela during his 1962 trial for terrorism. Have you
seen the videos of Mandela (young and old) singing the ANC theme song that
sounds so lovely, that it literally moves you to tears. Interpreted, it talks of
killing the Bhulu. What's bhulu? It's the white people.
Or how about that inspiring quote by his adorable wife, Winnie, who
said: "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces, we shall liberate this
country." (April 13, 1985 in Munsieville, Johannesburg). What are the
"necklaces" she referred to? Fruit Loops? Wrong. It's a tire filled
with gasoline that is placed around political opponents and lit. Adorable.These are your saints and your heroes who served time for terrorism. And
you keep drinking that koolaid.
SCfanOpen Minded MormonWhen will you and others learn. Reagan
was against big taxes and big government. That, building up the military, and
defeating the Soviet Union were his agenda. None of those priorities would put
him (Reagan) out of the T-Party. Today he would likely be seen as the leader of
the T-Party movement. =========== Reagan - Godbless him
--Would be RINO, and would publically be crucified like
"moderate" Jon Huntsman Jr. and Bob Bennett.Reagan signed
and approved; pro-choice legislation,assault and handgun
weapons bans, granted amnesty to illegal immigrants, signed MORE
Executive Orders in the 1st 6 months in office than "King Obama" has in
5 years, increased the size and scope of the Federal Government, increased the national debt 17 times, just to name a few...BTW - I voted for Reagan, twice.He was BIG tent, inclusive, moderate,
He had most Republians, ALL moderates, and many Democrats vote
for him.As it stands now, Mike Lee won't get reelected in
hardcore, rightwing TeaParty red Republican Utah.That's why he's
"changed" and has been singing a completely different tune since his
Government shutdown.BTW -- I also served in the military under
"[I]t was Woodrow Wilson a Democrat that segregated the U.S.
military...."I've no idea what this has to do with
Mandela's legacy, but it's egregious enough that I'll bite on the
red herring. The US military, with the sometime exception of the Navy, forbade
blacks from even enlisting from 1792 to 1862. In the Civil War, blacks formed
the US Colored Troops, which were segregated from white regiments and forbidden
black officers. This segregation continued through the Indian Wars (and the
famed "Buffalo Soldiers" of black cavalry), the Spanish-American War,
and both World Wars until Truman (a Democrat!) desegregated the military."Democrats were the hold outs on the Civil Rights legislation that
started in the fifties." You need to look past who as a (D) or
(R) next to their names, look up 'Dixiecrats' and understand how the
Solid South went from Democrat to Republican. Look up why LBJ stated, "I
think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to
come," on signing the Civil Rights Act.The GOP supporting
apartheid in the 1980s were a generation removed from being Democrats. As to the article, couldn't agree more.
jsfI'm glad you brought it up about Winnie Mandela and the
necklace. Which for those of you who don't know, was people being burned
alive because of politics. Nice folks those Mandelas. Or at least the ANC.
However, I don't know if Nelson himself had anything to do with that
atrocity, so I'll reserve judgement. What gets me is why do the left, not
only in America, but the world, revere people who have done such bad things in
the name of their cause, only because it is a leftist cause? Especially since
they are the ones who are always crying about human rights, and torture. You
folks just make no human reason sense.
Again Mandela was not incarcerated because he was black, but for terrorist
activities. The attacks on black Africans by the ANC was because they
didn't support the ANC and their terrorist activities. The more you dig
for information about the ANC and this man the more evil comes raises it's
head. Google Winnie Mandela necklace and watch the recorded videos. If you can
watch these and not cringe and be appalled, then go ahead and support the leader
of the ANC.
The only thing Mandela accomplished was his pr ability to sweep under the rug
his past. I'm sure you wouldn't like to be wearing a Winnie Mandela
necklace. Seems a lot of African's died wearing one, and we are not
talking white South Africans. The fact so many GOP people are worshiping at his
alter are because they lack the understanding of who he really was. As for
Mandela fighting against everything the GOP stands for today, that's a
broad stroke of a dishonest brush. Conservatives do oppose a lot of things the
African National Congress used to get their way. Kind of like we stand against
the horrific purges of Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao, and the means used by the
Open Minded MormonWhen will you and others learn. Reagan was
against big taxes and big government. He called for tax cuts. That, building
up the military, and defeating the Soviet Union were his agenda. None of those
priorities would put him (Reagan) out of the T-Party. Today he would likely be
seen as the leader of the T-Party movement. In fact, in his day, Reagan WAS
considered an outsider Republican. Outside the mainstream moderate Republican
Party of Gerald Ford. Reagan was looked upon by some Republicans, lots of
Democrats, and most of the media as what a Rand Paul, Ted cruz, or Mike Lee is
looked upon like today. That is just how it was. I was there voting for
Reagan, and so I know how he was perceived. A right wing wacko, who wanted to
nuke the Russians. So please stop with trying to re-define Reagan to suit the
GOP - the Archie Bunker party.Middle aged, corporate white-men.By their very own admission, They fall short appealing to college-aged
young poeple, women, minorities, LGBTs, and non-Chrisitians.Nelson
Mandela fought for the inclusion of ALL South Africa's citizens, and
against taking revenge.The conservative GOP - like the conservative
National Party [Apartheid] -- stands diametrically opposed as his polar
What is with the GOP and their fantasy world of trying to associate with great
leaders?Abrahma Lincoln was an R, but he was a Liberal
Progressive.Ronald Reagan was an R, but he would today be considered a
RINO.Nelson Mandela was a Socialist/Communist -- and days ago
Tea-Party darling neo-con Senator Mike Lee calls him "a champion for liberty
and justice, and one of the great heroes of our age."Nelson
Mandela fought against EVERYTHING the GOP stands for today.So, the only
way Madela can revive the GOP is for the GOP to listen to their own advice and
stop being the Party of Stupid.
Why would we want the GOP to follow his example? He was a revolutionary and that
can be good, but he was responsible for countless deaths in his violent
approach. I don't get it.
Yes Ernest the US did not condemn South Africa for Apartheid, but then it was
Woodrow Wilson a Democrat that segregated the U.S. military and Washington D.C.,
he supported separate but equal. Democrats were the hold outs on the Civil
Rights legislation that started in the fifties. The Democrats were part of the
government also. Don't recall them as a party standing up against
Apartheid. But if you say it long enough you will get the uninformed to believe
what you say. Of course Mandela was arrested for his group being in possession
of a large number of anti - personnel mines and other explosives. His stay in
prison could have been shorter if he had denounced his groups terrorist actions.
And has any of his work actually improved the economic conditions in South
Africa? I listened to a black South African on the radio yesterday say
conditions are no better now for the mainstream black than they were under
Apartheid. So now Obama got his shining selfie moment, the left has their black
Che, and its time to address the problems for real.
Revive the GOP? Is this for real?The GOP supported everything Mandela
fought. The GOP in the US supported Apartheid. How does this paper have
credibility with these sorts of articles?
“He seems like a decent enough fellow, but there’s something about
that Mandela guy I just don’t like. He reminds of the guy in the White
House – both left of me but not nearly as left as other I admire or at
least don’t hate (e.g., FDR, Eisenhower, Clinton). I can’t quite put
my finger on it, but when I look at Mandela and our current president I just
seethe.”Subconsciously (or not) thought many on the far-right
over the last 5 days (years).
Mandela was a communist. He did engage in violence. Terriorist or freedom
fighter? Your point of view. He also helped bring some equality and justice to
millions in Africa. His wife Winnie was said to have done some pretty bad
things. But we should leave her out of this because it is about him. Mandela
was, like every other leader, a person who had both good and bad in his life.
27 years in prison was a long time. And he did not come out bitter, but
forgiving from what I've understood. Strong character in that. And it
should be remembered that it was also the white minority who had the power in
South Africa, and they in the end allowed change to happen without a lot of
bloodshed, which they could have caused. I just wish the rest of the despotic
leaders on the African continent would be equally peaceful in allowing more
rights and freedom to their people. Instead we have the a lot of leaders there
who are not taking the Mandela approach.
TruthseekerYou probably are on to something, because as long as this
idea is applied to BOTH political parties, then something can be said for change
in D.C. The trouble is, I think most of the change needs to come from the
Democrats, who for instance have just recently changes the rules in the Senate
for their own needs. And I think the Democrats have many more "bomb
throwers" in both office and the media. That, in my opinin is the source of
much anger and lack of cooperation in D.C. I'm sure you would say just the
opposite of me.
Yep.Today's American GOP can learn something from the now
defunct Apartheid, white-man ruled, uber-conservative South Africa -- and
the election of the left-leaning, Nelson Mandela as South Africa's 1st
black President.Wake-up.History will once again prove you have
"Washington politicians who gleefully scheme to make their opponents fail -
even when this willful failure delays America's pursuit of
prosperity?"This sums up our countries political problems in a
nutshell. Our parties, and a big chunk of the electorate put party over
country. Until that changes, our country will flounder.
"Martin Schram writes political analysis for Scripps Howard News
Service."-----------------And, like most others in
the mainstream media, he writes with a distinctly leftward leaning.Too bad. Despite the biased headline, when I started reading the article it
appeared his approach might actually include Democrats among those who could
learn necessary lessons from the conciliatory actions of Nelson Mandela. But,
too soon and too predictably, it concluded with the familiar one-sided
determination that it is only Republicans who need tutoring.I'm
neither a Democrat nor a Republican and have voted for candidates from both
parties. One of the biggest reasons I've never joined either party is
because of the tendency toward greater partisanship than citizenship shown by
too many of their members. In other words, there are too many in both parties
that need to learn from Mandela's statesmanship.Based on this
article, I'd say Schram needs to study Mandela a bit more too.
Did anyone read the article before commenting?"Can
Mandela's legendary eschewing of the politics of hate teach anything to
Washington partisans who play politics with a vengeance? Can Mandela's
lesson properly shame Washington politicians who gleefully scheme to make their
opponents fail - even when this willful failure delays America's pursuit of
prosperity? For years, we have witnessed Washington's decent to its de
facto status of Hate City - and yet we, as citizens, put up with it. We watch
politicos peacock around in our living rooms, on our screens. Then we re-elect
our own senators and representatives - and complain everyone else's."
Mandela refused to embrace hate.Obama has said "Republicans can
come along for the ride but they'll have to sit at the back of the
bus".And Obama said we will punish our enemies. Sounds to me like Obama is similar to Mandela...er.
The real question us can Mandela's legacy teach anything the to the
entrenched and uncompromising democrat party and the extreme left?
What the heck does Mendela have to do with the GOP? I think Mendela's
influence on the GOP is about as strong as whichever team wins the Super Bowl
will have influence over the GOP. revive the GOP? I don't think
that's very likely. Especially since the majority of the GOP refuses to
even acknowledge that they're dead. We all see how dead they
are. How they're rotting in the polls and have lost just about everyone
except for old white evangelicals. Unfortunately, the GOP's leadership has
yet to acknowledge this.
The tea party legacy, it passed recently too. See new budget deal.
@mapledonOh, I get it. It's the old evil news media attacking the
poor innocent and defenseless GOP again. Your comment once again serves as proof
that when Romany was talking about the 47% he was talking about the victim state
of mind of the GOP.
Considering that some of the DN's commenters have asserted that there was
nothing wrong with apartheid, I fear that holding up Mandela as an example to
emulate is wasted effort.
Not when a decent number of conservatives consider Mandela some commie terrorist
(the comments on Sen. Lee's facebook post honoring Mandela are rather
What the... is this guy talking about?
What does Mandela have to do with the Republican Party? Oh, I get it. It's
the old news media agenda masked as a story to instruct the low-information
crowd. It's simple: the Left=good; the Right=hate. Got it. Commie koolaid.