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  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    @ jarka-rus

    "How many NC's have the Utes won again?"

    Basketball 1
    All sports 20

    Next!!!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    @bungalow
    Name the last GREAT NBA star the Utes have produced, Bogut ??? hahahahha

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    bungalow
    How many NC's have the Utes won again?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Hey Ute fans and Chris B, how far did U go last year in the NCAA tournament? LOL

  • Ute Zag everett, WA
    Dec. 12, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Opps my mistake. Thank you for correcting me about the Jimmer team that did destroy the Zags in the tournament. However, I think you missed the point that the article is ready to crown the future BYU BBall team National Champs when they have not even won the WCC conference. Again, try setting realistic goals first by winning the WCC. Oh and you still have to go through the Zags to get there.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    Uteology

    You're obviously having a hard time understanding that the NCAA tournament champion hasn't always been considered the defacto national champion.

    Where in ESPN's list does it say anything about Duke being the national champion in 1991, 1992, 2001, and 2010?

    You're simply assuming that NCAA champion = national champion.

    Today that's true. But in 1944, the NCAA was still the baby brother of the NIT.

    The fact that the Utes turned down the NCAA, to play in the 1944 NIT, is proof that even the Utes considered the NCAA to be the 2nd rate tournament of the day.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    TrueBlue
    Orem, UT

    Uteology

    Fail!

    ESPN only lists NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY, which Utah won in 1944.

    Final Fours, Tournament Record, Championship Seasons, and Tournament Appearances all refer specifically to the NCAA Tournament. The list says NOTHING about national champions.

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    Really? Then please tell us in your mind why Duke was not a national champion in 1991, 1992, 2001, 2010?

    DUKE NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY

    Final Fours 15
    Tournament Record 99-33
    Championship Seasons 1991, 1992, 2001, 2010
    Tournament Appearances37

    Source: ESPN

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 11, 2013 6:17 p.m.

    Uteology

    re: scott

    "I think we can both agree that Utah's 1947 basketball championship is as impressive as your 1984 football championship."

    Not even close.

    Utah's 1947 NIT championship is about as impressive as BYU's 1951 NIT championship, maybe slightly more impressive than BYU's 1966 NIT championship, though not much.

    Bottom line:

    Utah's 1944 and 1947, and BYU's 1951 and 1966 basketball championships, were tournament championships, NOT, national championships.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    It's laughable that Utah fans actually consider this a national championship worth schedule:

    Utah's Complete 1944 Basketball Schedule - if you search hard enough, you might actually be able to find a couple of college teams in that mix.

    18th Replacement Wing W 48-24 SLC
    A.S.T.P. Company D W 51-21 SLC
    A.S.T.P. Company B W 76-24 SLC
    A.S.T.P. ERC W 71-17 SLC
    Hill Field Fliers W 61-26 Ogden
    Weber W 63-25 Ogden
    Weber Navy W 60-25 Ogden
    Kearns 2nd Air Force W 45-35 Kearns
    Fort Douglas W 41-26 SLC
    Wendover Bomber Quintet W 64-28 Wendover
    Idaho State W 54-43 SLC
    Ecker Studio W 46-44 SLC
    Colorado College W 48-34 Colorado Springs
    Fort Logan W 55-38 Denver
    Fort Warren L 59-61 Cheyenne
    Kearns W 57-37 SLC
    Salt Lake Air Base L 39-54 SLC
    Bushnell Hospital W 78-31 SLC
    Idaho State W 52-40 Pocatello
    Dow Chemical L 36-46 SLC
    Salt Lake Air Base W 62-38 SLC

    Spin away Uteology.

    Was that Kearns HS or the Kearns 2nd Ward Young Men?

    How tough, really, were the 1944 Ecker Studio "whatevers"?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    Uteology

    Fail!

    ESPN only lists NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY, which Utah won in 1944.

    Final Fours, Tournament Record, Championship Seasons, and Tournament Appearances all refer specifically to the NCAA Tournament. The list says NOTHING about national champions.

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    btw, The Helms Athletic Foundation and The Heritage Foundation are two entirely different organizations that have absolutely nothing in common.

    A fan who actually knows something about the history of college basketball would know that.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT

    @uteology

    Neither was a national championship. Fail.

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    You might want to go cry to ESPN, they disagree with you.

    UTAH
    Championship Seasons 1944

    BYU
    Championship Seasons 0

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    @TroyTown

    The Helms Athletic Foundation, the only national organization of the day in the business of recognizing college basketball national champions, selected Army(15-0) as the 1944 National Champion and Holy Cross(27-3) as the 1947 National Champion.

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    Heritage Foundation "selected" Army as the National Championship? Well the postseason tournament winners of both the NIT and NCCA disagree. And so does ESPN, they don't recognize any Heritage Foundation champion:

    UTAH NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY

    Final Fours 4
    Tournament Record 35-30
    Championship Seasons 1944
    Tournament Appearances 27

    @scott

    I think we can both agree that Utah's 1947 basketball championship is as impressive as your 1984 football championship.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    I guess the "real" national championship switched mysteriously from the NIT to the NCAA tourney at some point between 1944 and 1947.

    Good one ducky. Shouldn't you be in Tulsa?

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    @ekute

    No worries on the type-0...

    To your question "what do you see in the crystal ball for BYU in the future?"...

    I see a team that is going to be extremely competitive at the elite level... A starting line up of Four 4-star Recruits (all in the top 100), plus a bench full of a battle scarred veterans and highly recruited players, plus more 4 star recruits that Rose is able to snag over the next couple of years...

    Will they win a NC, Advance to the Elite 8 or Final 4? Who knows? I do think they will have the talent to do it, but as we all know there are alot of unpredictable moving parts come tournament time and the teams with the best talent don't always win. I do believe that BYU will be a regular in the field of 68 and a semi regular in the sweet 16.

    One advantage that BYU will have over others is that their players will typically play more years for their team whereas other high profile programs will be having to reload every year as their players will head to the NBA...

    I also believe BYU will continue to dominate the utes.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    defibman
    Syracuse, UT

    We will hear about their playing for a NC and playing in the final four, but how many times did they do that. BYU may not have made that for a long time...

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    Long time? Try never pal.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    If you read my previous posts you will see that I'm a fan of Coach Rose and try to make objective comments about Cougar basketball. So it IS a sincere question to you cougar "fans".
    I agree with what you just said, maybe an occasional sweet 16, not sure it will happen this year. I previously said that it will take a Parker type player to get them to the final 4. Not sure if Coach Rose and the program can attract such a player.

    As for vs The Runnin' Utes, Rose said on the radio last night that the current agreement ends after next year and didn't sound to positive about the future, so they only have 2 games left head to head. I have no doubt that Utah will win both ;).

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    @ekute

    "What do you see in the crystal ball for byu?"

    I'll answer that although I know it isn't a sincere question, just an attempt to get some more trolling material.

    I don't know, no one does, it is all speculation. I think BYU will be an NCAA team just about every year for the next 6-7 based on the talent they currently have and what is coming in. Outside of that is anyones guess but I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a couple of sweet 16's and maybe even an elite 8. But we'll see. One thing I do see is quite a few more victories over utah if they actually continue to play each other.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    BTW, that wasn't a slight, it was a typo. poyman.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    @ute zag

    You realize BYU wasn't even in the wcc when Jimmer played for BYU don't you? They were in the Mtn West conference. Then of course there is the inconvenient fact that BYU did play gonzaga in the ncaa tournament Jimmer's sr year and absolutely curb stomped them out of the tournament. Fail! LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    @uteology

    Neither was a national championship. Fail.

    @spokane ute

    You realize you are on a BYU article trying to tell BYU fans that they are the ones obsessed with utah don't you? You appear to have a lot of spare time on your hands these days with that whole not having to make any preparations to attend a bowl game thing. LOL!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    poynan,

    I know your all fired up answering the detractors, but let's put that aside for a second and get back to the subject. What do you see in the crystal ball for byu?

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Question: If your team was 1-12 over the last 7 years against a team that you played every year, and according to Rivals your team was badly out recruited the last 2 years in a row, would you come on to their Forums and talk "smack" to them??? Really?

    As near as I can tell you only do that if you are a ute fan... Most ute fans however (at least the ones who understand basketball) shy away from doing anything like that... And to those who employ that wisdom I say thanks.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Coach Rose has built a reputable program but it's going to take a Parker type player to get him to the Final 4. Can he attract such a player? Is there one in the wings?

    Coach K is doing a good job at Utah for now, but about the best he will do is one and done in the NCAA's. Once he gets the program back on it's feet, Utah will have to upgrade their coaching.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    RE: Chris B.

    "And for those byu fans bragging about beating Texas and Stanford...LOL. Stanford was picked 6th in the Pac 12, by definition a very average Pac 12 team and Texas was picked 8th in the Big 12, by definition a less than average Big 12 team."

    I'm pretty sure you're talking to me because I'm the only poster who has brought this up. Weird how you wouldn't respond to any of the other points I made (all of which were clearly directed to you). Anyhow, since you did respond to my assertion that wins over Stanford, Texas, and USU were "good" wins, let me respond to your claim that Stanford and Texas were picked by someone in the preseason to finish 6th and 8th respectively.

    Stanford currently has an RPI of 89, a SOS of 102, and a Sagarin ranking of #60
    Texas has an RPI of 30, a SOS of 70, and a Sagarin ranking of #73
    USU has an RPI of 48, a SOS of 64, and a Sagarin ranking of #63

    Based on actual performance all three would be teams considered for the dance. But don't let facts get in the way, I'd love to hear your response.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:12 a.m.

    Come on ute fans, do your homework... I'm embarrassed for y'all...

    @crow... BYU has decisively out-recruited the utes in-state and out of state in 2013 and 2014... Not even close.

    @crow... Utah has not won the NCAA Tournment as constituted today... The victory in 1944 was not under this format and the NIT Champs were considered the National Champs in that era. Although the utes did win the NIT in 1947(I find this very humorous based on ute fans objections of BYU fans talking about the 1984 Football Championship that the Cougs won)...BTW, BYU won the NIT in 1951 and 1966.

    @ute zag... Ummm, BYU has only been in the WCC for 2 years (this will be the 3rd)... The first year was 2001-2012 and the second year was 2012-2013... Jimmer Fredette's last year was in 2010-2011, he never played in the WCC... But during his time in the MWC the Cougars never lost to a WCC team... They played both St. Mary's and Gonzaga in the 2010-2011 season and they beat both teams... In fact in the round of 32 BYU beat Gonzaga badly to advance to the sweet 16.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:51 a.m.

    @crow... lol...

    Usually people who come on these threads know a little bit about the topic being discussed... You might be the exception.. But I am going to try and help you:

    A)I didn't make up the #3 on strength of schedule, it's on your computer too, just go to Yahoo Sports and click on NCAAB (that means NCAA Basketball)...

    B)Then click on "Rankings"... You will see three columns of polls (the AP, the USA Today/ESPN and the RPI)... The RPI ranks all 351 Colleges eligible for the end of season Tourney (often referred to as "the Big Dance")... Then click on the bottom of the column where it says "View Complete Poll"... It will show you the teams they ranked in the top 100 in the country, BYU will be towards the top of that list (in the #12 slot)... The rankings are based on a formula that awards points based on win-loss records of those teams that you have played or that you are scheduled to play...

    C) As of this writing BYU is shown as having the 3rd toughest schedule so far... the utes are ranked 123 and SOS is 327... Ouch.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:14 a.m.

    @ekute

    Really? How about Utah playing a ranked team... Or maybe even a team in Division I with an RPI less than 100???

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Sorry but even as a BYU fan, this article is just the sort of thing haters feed on. It makes BYU look completely ridiculous. We have reason to be optimistic about the future with some great recruiting classes but it all still has to fall into place. Just ask Texas and USC about how great recruiting classes can work out, or not. Please just don't get ahead of ourselves and take things one season, one game at a time.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    TroyTown

    Ask Uteology to list the "teams" Utah played in 1944.

    He won't, of course, because he's too embarrassed to admit that his imaginary "national champion" LOST pickup games to "teams" like Salt Lake Air Base and Dow Chemical that may not have had a single player who even played high school basketball, let alone college basketball.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    Uteology

    "1944 NCAA Champion - Utah (24-4)"

    LOL!

    Utah only beat TWO college teams in the entire 1944 regular season - Idaho State(twice) and Colorado College.

    Why?

    Because Utah, Idaho State and Colorado College were the ONLY teams in the entire Intermountain Region that hadn't suspended their basketball programs by mid-December 1943.

    The only reason the Utes even played in the 1944 NCAA tournament, after initially turning down their invitation in order to play and lose in the opening round of the NIT, is because there were so few teams still playing basketball in 1944 that the NCAA begged the Utes to fill in for another team that couldn't compete because of a bus crash.

    The Helms Athletic Foundation, the only national organization of the day in the business of recognizing college basketball national champions, selected Army(15-0) as the 1944 National Champion and Holy Cross(27-3) as the 1947 National Champion.

  • Big Blue Payson, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    The fact is BYU has no so called "one and done" players or they might have a chance. Name one Cougar who could be a contributing player for any team in the NBA. Last year? Anyone in the last 10 years besides Jimmer? The fact is there aren't any and most likely won't be. Those kind of players don't go to BYU. They go to North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and UCLA. You only got Carlino because he was mad about playing behind someone else at UCLA.

    Yeah it's okay to dream. Just make sure you realize that it's only a dream... The chance of winning a NAtional Championship in Mens basektball is exactly two: Slim and none with Slim already having left the building...

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:46 p.m.

    re: utezag;

    You want BYU to actually win something before their fans write anything, how about you do some homework before your comments? The BYU teams that Jimmer played on never competed in the WCC. Jimmer's senior year BYU was still a part of the MWC. And that BYU team did beat Gonzaga easily (89-67) in the second round of the NCAA tournament that year on their Sweet 16 run.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    Amazing! I haven't read a single, serious BYU fan claim we will win the NC in BB. Yet all the Uties claim we do. Where do U get this stuff?

    BYU is much better than most thought we'd be this year, against a very good non-conference schedule. Two of our loses to ranked teams were close games. A month ago I would have conceded the WCC crown to the Zags, but I honestly believe we can compete with them. The entire WCC is better than I thought they'd be. Two teams will get NCAA bids and it could be another three team bid.

    And how can Uties look at the Cougar pipeline and not acknowledge the future is very bright? Could one of the highly touted recruits be a dud? Sure. But there will be some others, like Bartley, who are not highly touted who turn out to be stars.

    Mark it down - the Cougs will make a lot of noise in the NCAA over the next 6+ years.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:03 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Highland, UT

    @CougarColby

    Actually, no. utah won the ncaa tournament in 1944, which was the secondary tournament of the day, the NIT was considered the better tournament then. Army won the National Championship that year. utah has never won the NCAA Basketball National Championship, but it is fun to see utah "fans" try to claim they did when it is so easily verified that they did not.

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    Apparently not easy enough for you to verify since Utah has won both the NCAA and NIT Championships within a 3 year period:

    1944 NCAA Champion - Utah (24-4)

    1947 NIT Champion - Utah (19-5)

  • Ken Lee Pasadena, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    when you read these posts, you can easily see all the Ute fans with time on their hands and no bowl game to worry about…again. No they're all ginned up about faults with a BYU team that has all the best LDS talent coming together….don't worry Utes, there are lots of juco students with poor academics that will be transferring in until that first DUI conviction. Your program has a future.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    Let's see -

    Was utah part of the WAC when they made it to the final four?? That being the case, then "Lone Peak High" should be able to do the same.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    deifibman

    Since you brought it up; Utah has a Sugar and Fiesta Bowl trophy; all within the last 10 years. How about U/Y? BYU fans are infatuated, concerned and enthralled with all things Utah. I don't get it? They bring up issues concerning Utah; even when the Ute fans don't. The paranoa runs deep, very deep.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    @Kitsutski

    Which Utah fan are you reffering too? I don't see a single mention of the PAC 12 by a Utah fan; not even Chris B. Paranoid; jealous, or just plain mad that Utah got invited to the PAC while BYU didn't? The concern over Utah and the PAC 12 is amazing........sheeesh. Give it a rest!

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    It is funny to hear u fans try to berate BYU fans for "shooting for the stars". Can u tell me the last National Championship that u have won....in any sport? How about the last ten years? How about twenty years? One sport u! U will never again even taste in your dreams a smidgen of a NC. There is a reason your trophy case is nearly empty!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    I wonder how many tournament teams from respected conferences have a .000 winning percentage against ranked teams? I would imagine it rarely happens.

    And for those byu fans bragging about beating Texas and Stanford...

    LOL

    Stanford was picked 6th in the Pac 12, by definition a very average Pac 12 team

    and Texas was picked 8th in the Big 12, by definition a less than average Big 12 team.

    And in case you forgot, Texas was picked 8th(OF 10, not 12). Being 8th of 12 would be more respectable than 8th of 10. But, if you remember, the Big 12 can't find any more worthy teams to invite to make the Big 12 whole at 12 again.

    They prefer to be the 10 team Big 12 rather than invite a nobody.

  • Ute Zag everett, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    I think the article forgot to point out that the WCC goes through Gonzaga. Since 1999 the Zags have won the WCC 11 times. Even that great BYU with Jimmer failed to take the title. I think that BYU fans are getting a little ahead of themselves. How about actually winning something before writing about how great your future NCCA tournament trips are going to be? Just a though…

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    Here Utah fans go again - nothing to cheer for when it comes to the utah basketball program, but by golly we still have the PAC12! Pull out those PAC12 stickers Utah fans. Slap 'em on that tricycle and show the world your pride!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    Accoding to the Rock

    "Gonzaga took it all and we have beaten them more than once. Butler has also been a big surprise."
    ---
    Gonzaga took what all; the Old Spice Classic? Gonzaga's never been to a final 4. Sheeesh, at least get your facts straight.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Leave it to Ute fans to claim arrogance on the part of the DN and BYU fans when, as I recall, over the past couple of years Utah has been proclaiming to the world that they will be the next Rose Bowl champ, Rose Bowl participant, Southern Division champ, greatest thing to hit the PAC11.1+u, etc. - none of which has panned out. If you want to talk arrogance you had better begin by looking inward.

    As for BYU fans, it is clear that most are realistic when it comes to BYU's basketball team over the next 4 - 6 years. We will be good (is that arrogance?) but how good, nobody really knows. One way or the other it ought to be fun!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    Heck yea! We could win it alls this year for sure.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    Gone fishin
    Seattle, WA

    Does that apply to football too or just basketball?

    Utah's non conference basketball schedule this year is a joke.

    Kinda like BYU's football schedule every year.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    @ The Rock you said Gonzaga took it all and we have beaten them more than once.

    When did Gonzaga take it all? The best they did was in 1999 with a trip to the Elite 8.

    I think you got them confused with an elite program.

  • DistantObserver Ogden, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    Has the Deseret News become the official "house organ" of BYU Athletics? Because that's how this story is couched. BYU has a very good team, and I recognize that this story is considered "blog" material and therefore open to interpretation, but this kind of "promotion" by the newspaper calls into question the credibility of the author and the Sports department. I think it is unfortunate that journalism has devolved to this level of promotion, especially when there are other programs in the state as good who get little coverage, comparatively. What I would recommend the DesNews do is publish a special paid-for "All-Cougar" section where people can pay for this kind of material. But I truly believe generally published stories should strive to be somewhat "objective," which this is clearly not.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    @Poyman I dont know where you get your stats but 3rd best schedule byu plays in the WCC which has one team in the top 25. So if your team has the 3 hardest schedule as of date it will soon go into s downward spiral you play in the WCC. Utahs schedule will only get more difficult once PAC12 play starts. 3 teams in the top 25, 4 in the top 30, and one happens to be #1 after beating Duke and San Diego St.

    The PAC is a far superior conference last year was just a down year.

    @ Rational Majerus team did not have less talent he had two lottery picks leading his team he had #8 draft pick Andre Miller, # 12 draft pick Michael Doleac. He did not have the depth as the other programs Jordy just did not cut it as a DIV1 PG.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    Crisssy,
    No the ute fans just say that the utes are the best team in the state because they have the best record. Any church b-ball team could have the same record as the utes. Try playing some stiff competition and then we will talk.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:57 p.m.

    With the recruits we have coming into the program, we should win a couple of National Championships in the next 7 or 8 years.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    Crissy,
    it is not BYU fans that are talking national championship. it was the writer of the article. Please try to keep up.

  • slcjimmy SLC, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    Doesn't a team have to advance beyond the sweet 16 & reach a final 4 prior to any championship talk? LOL

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    Chris B.

    "If byu fans want to brag about being an NCAA tournament worthy team(Which your fans have claimed all year) then do better than 0-3 against the ranked teams you've played. Great teams beat other great teams. If a team has a .000 winning percentage against ranked teams they are clearly not a great team."

    BYU is 0-3 against currently ranked teams, but the season is young. Also, BYU would be 0-4 against ranked teams had they lost to Texas (who is 8-1), but they didn't.

    No BYU fans are claiming BYU is a "great" team, but a legitimate argument can be made that BYU is on track to be tourney-worthy based on how they've played thus far. They already have three wins against top 100 RPI teams so far this season (against four all of last season), and were very close in two road losses against top ranked opponents.

    Last year our favorite troll noted that BYU didn't get invited to the tournament due to lack of top 100 RPI wins. Why have you changed your mind (flip flopped) about the value of beating "good" teams (i.e. USU, Texas, Stanford)?

  • fan in orem Orem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    So, Chris, what is it you are looking for? A'tournament worthy' team or a 'great' team? If you keep changing what you are looking for, it's no wonder BYU fans can't come up with the right answer for you. BYU *is* a tournament worthy team, but they are not a great team. If they are 7-3 with an RPI of #11 and SOS of 3, I would say that is tournament worthy. Sorry if we can't answer all your confusing questions correctly.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    @CougarColby

    "Duckhunter, yes they did in 1944. Come on now."

    Actually, no. utah won the ncaa tournament in 1944, which was the secondary tournament of the day, the NIT was considered the better tournament then. Army won the National Championship that year. utah has never won the NCAA Basketball National Championship, but it is fun to see utah "fans" try to claim they did when it is so easily verified that they did not.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Crow says: "(Utah is) the only program to have won a National Championship in the 3 classifications AAU, NCAA, and NIT."

    I'm sorry; as I am not a 13-year-old girl, I usually only use "LOL" ironically to mock others who use it, but in this case . . LOL!!

    I must track down a "University of Utah: 1916 AAU Champions!" tee-shirt. The consarned campus bookstore seems to have run out!

    We have officially plumbed the absolute depths of "collegiate athletic accomplishments to brag about." I shall continue to look for evidence of the Brigham Young Academy's mythical 1905 Regional Title in cheese rolling.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    Cinci Man,

    "Regarding your question, BYU was expected to lose all 3 games in question."

    First of all, you are wrong. Byu was favored against Iowa State due to the game being in Provo. It was byu by 6.

    Second, what does being "expected to lose" have to do with anything? If byu fans want to brag about being an NCAA tournament worthy team(Which your fans have claimed all year) then do better than 0-3 against the ranked teams you've played. Great teams beat other great teams. If a team has a .000 winning percentage against ranked teams they are clearly not a great team.

    And go ahead, tell me Utah hasn't beaten any top 25 teams. And guess what, I've never single a single Ute this year say the Utes are a tournament worthy team.

    LOL

  • ideasnstuff Orem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    Hey folks, it looks like about the only person here seriously promoting BYU's NC chances is the author of the lame, rah-rah article. The great majority of the BYU fans here (and I'm one of them) are much more realistic. I'll be happy to beat Gonzaga once this year, finish in the top two of the WCC and slip into the tournament. And the team is fun to watch. Not a lot of arrogance to look at here, folks, move on.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    It's "arrogance" to strive for a national championship? Seriously? That is arrogance? Then sign up every school in the country as "arrogant" because I'm pretty sure that is the goal for every team.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    RE: Crow

    "BYU is even losing the top in state basketball players to Utah a down program. Two years in a row Utah has received a commitment from the States Mr. Basketball."

    Seriously? Top in-state basketball recruits in last two recruiting classes

    2014 (Scout/Rivals/ESPN, ESPN rank)
    Brekkott Chapman (4/4/4, #46) – Utah
    T.J. Haws (4/4/4, #67) – BYU
    Dalton Nixon (3/3/3, NR) – BYU
    Ryan Andrus (NR/?/3) – BYU
    Gary Payton II (NR/3) – Oregon St.

    2013
    Eric Mika (4/4/4, #28) – BYU
    Nick Emery (4/4/4, #45) – BYU
    Parker Van Dyke (NR/3) – Utah
    Brandon Miller (NR/3) – Utah
    Sai Tummala (NR) – ASU

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    Bungalow

    As much of a pipe dream that it is, I would feel confident saying our NC hopes are in line with your PAC-12 championship hopes.

    And as Cougar fan living in SLC, the Utah arrogance isn't much different. I came back for a visit this fall and found the "PAC-12 Country" apparel ridiculous. Are you guys fans of Utah or the PAC-12? Puzzling.

    Duckhunter, yes they did in 1944. Come on now.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    @ Rational, one and done works, when it does, where the team is deep across the board. BYU can get some great talent, but it doesn't run deep enough. But your point only addresses players who come in an play right away and fails to address the fitness, skills and drive of the returning missionaries. And note, the proof is in the pudding. If you were right, then BYU would have already been to the F4. This is no knock on the missionary program. But some young men can make contributions in other ways.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    This article was written to stir the pot and has succeeded. To the haters: no real BYU fans are claiming a future national championship as a likely outcome, but we do acknowledge that BYU has improved markedly over the last decade and a deep tournament run is certainly possible. Here are a few numbers...

    BYU has been dancing 6 of the last 8 years
    BYU has had 20+ win seasons for each of the last eight years
    BYU’s recruiting classes of 2013 and 2014 are the best in BYU history
    BYU basketball has beat three teams ranked in the top 10 in the last few years
    BYU is 0-3 against ranked teams so far this season… However, Texas (8-1) and possibly USU (5-2) and Stanford (6-2) would be ranked had they beat the Cougars
    BYU hasn’t lost to a PAC 12 team since 2010 (6-0), while Utah has never won more than four in a row against PAC 12 foes
    BYU has had at least 11 National championships since 2000: men’s soccer (1), women’s x-country (2), men’s lacrosse (3), men’s volleyball (2), men’s rugby (3)

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    @ekute...

    I think I know what you mean about the DN being objective and hard to take seriously... When I read your posts I think and feel the same exact way...

    However, when I read this DN series, I could really see the possibilities that they talk about... In fact, I see them to be far more objective than most of the things that you have written on this topic.

    I suppose they could write about the utes hoops future, but they like to be positive... They want to talk about potential success for schools in Utah not about "snagging 10th place" in a conference that only put 2 of their 12 teams in the Tournament.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    @Crow,

    Losing top in state basketball players? 2012, Jordan Loveridge that is it. 2011, Corbin went to UC Davis and I believe is at SLCC right now. The last two Mr. Baketball's that Utah got ended up finishing their careers elsewhere (Grim and Deane). I'm pretty sure this year's Mr. Basketball will go to a Lone Peak player (but who knows this early) which would be another BYU commit. Your logic and facts are...puzzling.

    In the last 10 years Utah has recruited 3 Mr. Basketballs, with 2 of them not even finishing their collegiate careers at Utah. BYU had 6, USU had 1 and Corbin went to UC Davis.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Esquire has identified the problem. Mission interruptions. Kid from my neck of the woods, C Neilson (mentioned in the article) was something of a star in SoCal. He left right out of highschool and will be back for 4 years. Mika, OTOH, will interrupt his hoops career to take two years off. This is bad. Period. Consider Collinsworth's older brother - came back out of shape, got hurt, end of story. Kyle looks good. Would he have had a better 2nd year had he not had the interruption? Don't know, but I'd be willing to bet he would be better.

    If I'm Rose, I'd tell recruits to go out first or lose their scholarship if they go out later. And I'd recruit a lot more non-LDS kids like Bartley. It is important for a team to have continuity.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    I don't see it as arrogant to hope, plan and strive for the brass ring in any sport, and to play anyone, anywhere. Take the best student athletes who are willing to play for BYU on its terms, expect excellence from them, and I'm willing to be happy with the results.

    The day BYU trades its values in on a(nother) misguided attempt to "take it to the next level" is the day I turn in my BYU gear. Hopefully that will never happen.

    To any other university who wants to be basically the best NFL or NBA farm team in the area, go right ahead. You'll get exactly what you deserve.

    Go Cougars!

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    I guess I might be a heretic hoping Mika doesn't go on a mission. It worked out okay for Danny Ainge. Danny may not become a general authority but he did serve as a bishop and raised a fine family which is the most important thing anyway.

  • FromWA Olympia, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    As a devout Cougar, I can't take this article seriously. The lack of solid, interior defense kills the Cougs against the better talent in basketball. When Nate Austin is suppose to be an answer to anything, we have problems. There is a lot of guard talent and small forward talent coming in, but not dominating defensive talent. That is where there problems lie. And for the BYU haters out there, one reporter does not represent an entire fan base. Most of us do not have aspirations of national championships but a BCS bowl and an Elite Eight as hopeful goals, but honestly winning a few games against top 25 talent in either sport is a little more realistic. One step at a time right now.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    @bungalow

    25 years in SLC off of Foothill Drive. I was 4 miles from The Hill.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter Acutally Utah fans are very rational when it comes to National Championships in Basketball after all they are the only program to have won a National Championship in the 3 classifications AAU, NCAA, and NIT. Not even Kentucky or the big powers can claim that.

    BYU at best will make it to the sweet 16 they do not play defense and lack guard play needed in the tourney see Andre Miller for your prime example. BYU cant recruit that type of athlete. BYU is even losing the top in state basketball players to Utah a down program. Two years in a row Utah has received a commitment from the States Mr. Basketball.

    Sorry BYU just is an average team from the wcc conference.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    @bungalow

    Stop your pointless generalizations. Of all the comments so far I think there is 1 in which a Cougar fan thought BYU could realistically win a NC in either football or basketball. Putting words into our mouths. The writer is paid to write what he does, he is motivated financially, not be his fanhood.

    The truth is a realistic fan knows that a NC in either football or basketball at BYU is LONG shot. The stars would have to align perfects, just like they did in '84. Remember that team probably shouldn't have won that NC, but the stars aligned. Michigan wasn't that great of a team and although we beat Marino in Pitt, that teams ended up being seriously overrated that year.

    But we can always hope and dream. BYU will have a great core that will compete for a WCC title and spank Utah each year. We may even get another Sweet 16 team which is successful for any BYU team.

    Chris B, they do actually. They look at RPI and BYU is top 10 right now. How is Utah doing so far, or are they beating up on sisters of the poor?

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    @Chris B

    BYU got a bowl bid this year and Utah did not. That is consistent with what BYU fans said all year. What did you predict about Utah all season long? Oh yeah, the one thing you predicted accurately is that Utah would beat BYU for the 5th time. You have to be given that one. 1 out of 239 is not bad. Regarding your question, BYU was expected to lose all 3 games in question. They played well against great teams, but did not pull it out. They might have, but did not.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    Chris:

    This article is about future teams, isn't it? So the question about the three losses to ranked teams this year is relevant, how? Probably close to 100% of BYU hoops fans sees this year's team as typical . . solid but not close to "NCAA title" material.

    If you're asking for consistency, does that mean the Utes don't get credit for losing to the ranked teams in the PAC 10.2? You seem to take great consolation in the fact that they simply are in the conference despite a lousy record in hoops and football. Chant it with me now; "I love my BCS membership . . I love my BCS membership . . ".

    I call balderdash on claiming losses to all but one of the decent teams in your glorious conference and then beaming with pride about it, all the while LOL-ing about BYU losing in competitive games to teams that would demolish the Utes.

  • agarrett PROVO, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Maybe it's best if Mika DOES serve a mission so that he will have 2 years to play with Emery/Haws. Then again, I'll be fine if he doesn't so I won't have to suffer through Austin and Worthington baffooning around in the post. Yes, I did just say baffooning.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    I wonder if the NCAA committee is impressed byu's .000 winning percentage against ranked teams with 3 games played?

    Or does simply playing ranked teams count for something byu fans? And try to be consistent with what you said all football season.

    LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    @bungalow

    What "arrogance" have BYU fans displayed in this article? And of course you are wrong about "The attitude that they can win a national anything" seeing as though they have won a couple of National Championships and played for a couple more in the last two years. You see actually winning National Championships means they actually "can win a national anything" since they keep winning "natuional anythings".

    But that is what I love about utah "fans", complete and total seperation from reality brought on by irrational jealousy and hate. LOL!

  • DresdenBalla Germany, 00
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    I don't know that it is too unrealistic for BYU to talk about a national championship. I have not lived here long, am not LDS, and do not really know the history except the last 2-3 years, but if BYU really was so close to a national championship in 2011 then I don't see why not again. It seems like these teams of the future should have more talent by far than that 2011 team, and if they all stay to play 4 years then that will give them an advantage over the teams that have players leaving early every year like Kentucky. I think fans always like to look into the future and the article was also extremely insightful for those of us that are not maybe as familiar with the program histories and such to know what to watch for in coming seasons.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    @Esquire
    Springville, UT

    "I'll say what isn't supposed to be said. The missionary program is disruptive to BYU's basketball program and could be the thing that stands in the way of big time success. Teams need time to fully gel - more than one year, and the rotating door that BYU deals with, added to the weakening of skills and fitness when players don't pay for two years, is a killer. Them's the facts."

    Totally agree with you but it's what it is and BYU, despite that difficult challenge is managing it quite well. And as exciting as it is with all the pieces now in place and with those coming in the future, I'm still not completely sold on any chance of a final four or even a NC for that matter because we lack more big men who can play. We need at least a couple of 7ters like the two kids Baylor have who can crash the boards and rebound. And all of them need to seriously work harder on their 3s and free throws.

    Go Cougars!

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Meh; it's nice to think about, but I still have unpleasant flashbacks to the supposed glory years to be ushered in by Shawn Bradley, Ken Roberts, Randy Reid, etc. I played against Reid, Bradley, Justin Weidauer and Russell Larson and had high hopes for them. Then Bradley left for the League, and long story short, and we ended up with just another solid team that was not equipped to deal with the elite of the power conferences. Oh well; such is life.

    If the "Faithful Four" pan out and everything breaks just so, maybe we catch lightning in a bottle. I'm cautiously optimistic because the core of this team will have an advantage due to having played together for years at an elite HS level. Chemistry between Emery, Mika, Haws, etc could be worth a few points per game alone.

    Now, as to the "Faitful Four" moniker -- just stop it. It may be delivered tongue-in-cheek, but if you want BYU, its teams, and its fans to draw even more scorn than they already do, just add a presumptuous, insufferable nickname.

  • artinnature Payson, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    @Esquire

    Funny you'd say that the missionary program is a downer for BYU when so many opposing coaches complain about the big advantage it is for BYU to have older more mature players that intimidate their young kids.

  • signalwar Centerville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    We already have to put up with the byu football team thinking they are going to be national champs every August. Now we have to put up with the byu basketball team thinking they are going to be national champs every October?
    Give Utah and the world a huge break. Ain't gonna happen! Period!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    @ Esquire

    "Teams need time to fully gel - more than one year, and the rotating door that BYU deals with, added to the weakening of skills and fitness when players don't pay for two years, is a killer. Them's the facts."

    Except the fact that teams are now routinely led to the Final Four and championships by one-and-done players, and except the fact the best player on last year's BYU team was on his first year back from his mission.

    Fact is, your facts are assumptions, and they have been and are increasingly being proven to be wrong.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    DN,

    Really? How about they beat a ranked opponent before you start talking NC. With this constant stream of byu fluff it's hard to take the objective articles seriously. It seems that even some of the byu "fans" are "up to here" with it. Good luck to Coach Rose and Cougar basketball.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    I'll say what isn't supposed to be said. The missionary program is disruptive to BYU's basketball program and could be the thing that stands in the way of big time success. Teams need time to fully gel - more than one year, and the rotating door that BYU deals with, added to the weakening of skills and fitness when players don't pay for two years, is a killer. Them's the facts.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    An important factor not mentioned in this article is that there are so many huge programs out there that also may have great futures. I hope fields it's greatest teams in the next few years, but the chances of having a really big year comes down to the players being consistently skilled and applying those skills to each and every game. I like what I see, but I have yet to see BYU put a team together that brings their best to the court or field every game. With the exception of men's and women's volleyball, I just haven't seen the consistency. But I sure would be happy to see Bronco or Dave accomplish that. One thing is for sure, undefeated teams in basketball March Madness or a football season bring well deserved championships and titles.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    It's all about coaching. Majerus coached up a team that was less talented than their opponents, and took them to the Final, where, in my opinion, if he'd given Andre Miller 2 minutes rest in the second half he'd have led them to the championship.

    Butler, as school that had never done anything in basketball, came one long shot away from winning it all, and made the final two years in a row. The first year with a white guy as their best player.

    If Rose can DEVELOP talent, and out coach his opponents, it is, indeed, possible. Those are big ifs.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    @jpc53
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    Sorry but I just don't see Lone Peak, err BYU, beating the Kentucky's of the world. There would have to be so many things go right for them to have a chance.

    Gonzaga took it all and we have beaten them more than once. Butler has also been a big surprise.

    If you don't dream big, the dreams will never come true.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    LOL!

    byu doesn't have a single elite eight APPEARANCE in 20 years and you guys are talking national title?

    LOL!

  • goforit Provo, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    Not going to happen. I predict maybe one sweet sixteen in those years. Defense will always be a problem at BYU. Players are not quick enough to play man to man. Top teams will always rip them apart just like this year.

    As for the game against Utah Saturday I think it will be close. BYU should win but it wouldn't surprise me if Utah won. They are actually better than most people think.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    I think the program would be considered a success if they just made it to the "tournament" and won (1) single game anytime in the next decade.

  • Truthfully Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    Too many variables, such as injuries, missions and players not living up to their potential. I will admit that if Dastrup and Haws and a couple of others leave for missions right after high school and are playing in 2016 along with Mika, Emery and those who are serving now, they have what looks to be an excellent team with 2 deep quality players at most positions and could be good enough to make some noise in the big dance in '16 and '17. I like the way they are playing now and think they have an solid chance to win the WCC and go dancing this year.

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Dec. 10, 2013 5:03 a.m.

    This article disappoints and isn't really worth the time to read.

    I like these players and I hope the Cougars can challenge Gonzaga for the conference championship of the WCC. Otherwise, BYU needs to be able to recruit more athletic bigs and quicker guards to play national championship caliber defense.

    I enjoy the attacking style of play of the Cougar teams, but they must get better at defending and at rebounding to become serious national contenders. But it's fun to be a BYU fan.

    My biggest concern this week is whether the Cougs can outplay Utah on December 14th. That game will be a tough challenge!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:59 a.m.

    Agree with the first 2 commenters - this is a big walk through fantasy-land. BYU has been to the Sweet 16 exactly twice in 32 years. We are notoriously weak when it comes to playing top 10 or even top 20 teams. So to say that the incoming players will somehow magically solve that is a huge stretch. I'd prefer we get some wins first and then talk about where we are, vs. where we should be or could be.

    Same goes for football. No wins in any BCS bowl. Ever. But every year we think somehow we will win it all.

    I'm waiting for the day when we actually break free and move up to the next level. But for now, our programs are not taken seriously on a national level.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:47 a.m.

    The u fans are just so beside themselves due to knowing that they will be on another long, long, long losing streak against BYU. We will hear about their playing for a NC and playing in the final four, but how many times did they do that. BYU may not have made that for a long time, but we play in the big dance more than anyone, especially u.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:01 a.m.

    That's all good and well about the future and I am excited for BYU and Coach Rose and of course the players... But hey, we got a pretty darn good team right now... According to the RPI the Cougs have played the 3rd toughest schedule in America and we're 7-3 and could very easily be 9-1...

    We need some focus and a few small adjustments and I we could enter WCC play with a 10-3 record and a 3-0 record against the big bad pac12... We could very easily register more pac12 wins this year than our little sister on the hill... How cool would that be... Perhaps with a 3-0 record we could talk Commissioner Scott into seeding the Cougs in the Conference Tourney... It's the week following the WCC Tourney and I believe it's at the MGM in Las Vegas (same city as the WCC and a week later... It would fit perfectly)...

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:53 a.m.

    Its possible that BYU will go deep in the NCAA Tournament, and as an optimistic BYU fan I think they probably will sometime in the next 5 years or so. But even with my thickest blue goggles on, it is hard for me to think we have a chance at a National Championship in Basketball (or Football for that matter). But it is fund to fantasize and dream of what could happen in the future. And who knows, maybe I am wrong and a NC is in the future for BYU in one of the two sports that really matter. If you don't think it is possible (even if you know that it is extremely unlikely), then it takes a lot of the fun out of being a fan. Go Cougars!

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:06 a.m.

    Sorry but I just don't see Lone Peak, err BYU, beating the Kentucky's of the world. There would have to be so many things go right for them to have a chance.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    Light up the B signal. Cue troll swarm........

    But that would be great if BYU made some big noise in the dance in the next 5 or so years. It really could be possible. I am not making predictions, I am just saying the pieces are there.

  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    What usually happens is they read the press, it goes to their heads, and they forget to play the game. Maybe it would be better to write about their chances of winning it all if and when they reach the Final Four. The players should be thinking about the next game, and maybe the fans and press should be, too. You're only as good as your last game, and, if I recall correctly, they lost.

    I'm a BYU fan. I want to see them focus on getting it done, not daydreaming.

  • AllSeeingEye Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    Isn't fantasy fun?

    The author certainly states the truth (and the obvious) when he says it is hard to perfectly predict the future, especially 3, 4, or 5 years out. Many of us remember vividly all of those futuristic predictions when Jake Heaps and his supporting cast came to BYU....

    And, regarding the first two installments of this series, if if and buts were candy and nuts we'd have Christmas every day!