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Utah football: Utah coach Kyle Whittingham acknowledges 2013 was a frustrating year for Utes

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  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    The Stanford game was a complete fluke

  • jeru0455 SALEM, OR
    Dec. 12, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    My predictions for next year as a Utah fan ISU-W FSU-W @M-tossup (they really aren't that great) @UCLA-tossup USC-tossup (home + no marquis Lee or Silas Redd) @OSU-tossup WSU-W @CU-W UA-W (home + no Kadeem Carey) @ ASU-tossup UO-L @ S-L As long as we don't lose all of tossups we'll be fine.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    “That’s how close we were, but close doesn’t count. There’s nobody in this building that doesn’t understand that. We all understand that,” Whittingham said. “So we’re all working hard to try to get over that hump. That’s our objective.”

    Gee, if the Conference of Champions just had horse shoes as a competitive sport the Ute would be right up there with the leaders with their close calls.

    Trying to get over the hump is a worthless effort. The Utes can be trying for the next three years and all they will do is get closer but never getting over the HUMP, but they will keep trying.

    As Nike would tell us "JUST DO IT", trying is for losers just like the looking at teams in the championship games and saying we got close to them or we beat them so we must be making progress. You're not making progress if you keep losing seven games in a season and missing bowl games.

    Get real and make real progress by winning more than your losing.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    PAC stickers anyone?

    From reading all of these comments it is clear that conference affiliation and beating BYU is king for Ute fans.

    So funny.

  • frugalfly PULLMAN, WA
    Dec. 11, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    Whit is a great coach. The u would be crazy to fire him. Who would they hire? Be patient utah, you will win the conference every now and then (once every 10-12 years is realistic). No one is poised to dominate year in and year out in the pac 12. The utes are facing what UCLA, Ariz St, USC, Cal, Stanford, UW have faced. All of them have been a laughing stock at least a couple times in the last decade and had some good years also. It is very unlikely that there is going to be another USC/Oregon perennial power over a decade any more in the PAC 12. Be happy. Do your best. Enjoy the high times and get through the rough times. End this rubbish of firing Whittingham. Crazier words have rarely been spoken in the ruby-crimson palace. You beat my Cougars now be happy and end the loco talk of "burning coach W at the stake".

  • jeru0455 SALEM, OR
    Dec. 11, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    @Jazzer The Jazz are probably the worst team in the NBA.

  • Daved6 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    "three of the setbacks were by a touchdown or less. Two other losses came without starting quarterback Travis Wilson, who was sidelined when an intracranial artery injury was discovered during concussion tests following the ASU game."

    All of their wins were by a touchdown or less. If they are getting close to getting over the hump, they are also getting close to sinking further below the hump simultaneously.

    Sorry the logic is just flawed.

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Who cares about BYU, Utah or USU. Our football teams are never going to be anything. We will continue to be good teams, but not great. lets talk about the Jazz!

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    When is Whittingham gonna admit that he sucks at coaching?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    @TroyTown

    Only a delusional Ute homer would claim that Utah's worst case scenario would be only 2 losses versus 4 programs that the Utes have never beaten.

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    Get a clue, we last played Houston in 1978 and Texas once in 1982. Newsflash Utah is a much better program now... BYU fans should know considering you guys can no longer beat us.

    If Utah can handle @BYU and beat Stanford then I think with a healthy QB we would beat Texas, @Houston, and Boise State.

    FYI Utah's talent since 2008 has improved according to Rivals. Only a hater would suggest Utah with better talent would do worse playing a mid-major schedule, considering we finished 33-6 while BYU finished 28-11 playing the same schedule. Plus our talent has improved and yours has tanked (according to Rivals/Scouts/ESPN).

    Our problem isn't the lack of talent against teams like BYU, we're 8-1, it's the PAC-12.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    @spokane ute

    "Now Duck Hunter, you should know by now that I don't respond to your comments."

    Uh....that was you second response to me in this article alone. LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    @u 90

    Perhaps you need to introduce yourself to sagarin which has utah rated 3rd in SOS. I like how you just made smoething up and tried to pass it off as truth while also trying to degrade the guy that was actually correct. lol

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    81Ute

    Very misleading??

    Ok, Utah has never beaten an FBS level Boise State; Utah did manage to squeak out a couple of wins over Big Sky conference BSU teams - feel better now?

    The Utes have been pummeled by the FBS Broncos.

    Utah's problem with beating elite teams like Texas and Notre Dame is only one elite team in the history of Utah football has agreed to an OOC visit to RES, and the Utes simply aren't good enough to beat quality elite teams on the road, in fact, the Utes aren't even good enough to beat middle of the PAC teams with winning records on the road.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    SpokaneUte: "Now Duck Hunter, you should know by now that I don't respond to your comments."

    ...He says in repsonse to Duckhunter's comment...

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    @TroyTown
    You stated: "As a program, the Utes have never beaten Texas, have never beaten Boise State, have never beaten Houston, and have never beaten Notre Dame."
    Very misleading.
    Utah is 2-5 against Boise State
    Utah is 0-1 against Texas
    Utah is 0-1 against Notre Dame
    Only Houston has any validity 0-4 except, Utah did not play any of those teams this year.
    Here is one for you Utah is 54-31-4 against BYU.

  • HENELSON lindon, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:40 p.m.

    I was happy to see Utah beat Stanford. Sorry to see the season end in a losing record for the utes - Whitingham is a classy guy. BYU is a much better team at the end of the season than the first. I think most State of Utah college football fans would prefer a BYU - UTAH game as the final game of the year - but the scheduling gods do not see this rivalry as worth preserving. I look forward to the rematch.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    U 90

    "Uteanymous, you are correct Sagarin ranks BYU #30 and Utah #32. However Utah beat BYU at LaVell Edwards Stadium, so what does that tell ya?"

    It tells me that one game does not a season make.

    Sagarin's current ranking for Utah's SOS is #3. Sagarin lists Washington State at #1 and Arizona State #2.

    Ironically, WSU and ASU will both be bowling while the Utes are sitting home still whining about how hard their schedule was.

    Sagarin ranked BYU's schedule #35, tougher than any schedule in Utah history, prior to this year.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    Uteanymous, you are correct Sagarin ranks BYU #30 and Utah #32. However Utah beat BYU at Lavelle Edwards Stadium, so what does that tell ya?

    Thomas J., you need to be introduced to the most respected SOS source... its called Sagarin and Utah DID have the #1 schedule. Look it up.

    All BYU fans, thanks for your continued obsession with all things Utah demonstrated by your daily visits and multiple posts on Utah stories.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    Uncle Rico

    "Take a look at the final BCS standings."

    Final BCS Standings: Sagarin, Colley, A-H, Billingsley, Massey, Wolfe, CPU AVG

    #40 BYU 31, 33, 36, 35, 41, 36, 35
    #54 Utah 60, 58, 45, 65, 39, 52, 54

    Despite the bluster from the hill, BYU finished 14 places HIGHER in the final BCS standings than Utah.

    btw, in case you didn't notice, in the Sagarin ranking used in the BCS ranking formula:

    #31 BYU
    #60 Utah

    Throw yourselves another parade for having the 3rd toughest SOS.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    Uteology

    Who cares what Utah did in their final couple of years in the MWC; most of those players are long since gone and the Utes have been in steady decline since 2008.

    Sagarin ranks Utah WORSE than BYU, so it's logical to assume that Utah would do WORSE against BYU's schedule than BYU did.

    As a program, the Utes have never beaten Texas, have never beaten Boise State, have never beaten Houston, and have never beaten Notre Dame.

    Only a delusional Ute homer would claim that Utah's worst case scenario would be only 2 losses versus 4 programs that the Utes have never beaten.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    Take a look at the final BCS standings.

    BYU played 1 team in the top 25 (#19 Wisconsin) - BYU went 0-1
    Utah played 5 teams in top 25 (#5 Stanford, #10 Oregon, #14 ASU, #17 UCLA, #25 USC) - Utah was 1-4

    BYU lost to Utah (one of worst in Pac-12) and Virginia (worst team in ACC and maybe in FBS).

    If 2013 is BYU's toughest schedule ever (as many fans claimed), then BYU has had a history of playing against poor competition.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:06 p.m.

    I hope Travis is alright and his health considered above all else. Better find good depth at QB, and with that they're probably set for a 6-6 or better year. Whit will come through.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:50 p.m.

    Whittingham said the main areas of deficiency have been identified and will be addressed heavily in this year’s recruiting class, which will be geared toward receivers and the secondary. Getting more speed on the perimeter is the priority.

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    No! The priority should be building PAC-12 depth at QB. If Kyle goes into another PAC-12 season with a D2 or walk-on QB as backups then he might as well resign after next season.

    Hope Wilson is healthy, but if not the priority should be finding Manning's backup in the offseason.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:34 p.m.

    @CG

    Playing BYU's schedule, a team that lost to WSU(6-6) and barely beat Colorado(4-8) to end the season, would have been stomped by Texas, crushed by Wisconsin, and beaten by Houston, Boise State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame and Mid Tenn St to finish 5-7, right where U finished with your own schedule.

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    Reality disagrees with your hyper emotional imagination.

    Utah finished 33-6 in the MWC and 8-1 since then playing YOUR schedule.
    Those 7 loses were all to AP Top 25 teams.

    So #25 Notre Dame and #19 Wisconsin would most likely be loses for Utah playing YOUR schedule... 10-2 at worst.

  • HuskyandUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:06 p.m.

    @ UteMiguel

    Amen!

    Positives from this year to carry forward:
    Got a signature PAC12 win!
    LB play was markedly improved over last year, and everyone is back (except Reilly) plus Paul next year
    Great punter and kicker
    They were in every game at least for awhile (even Oregon was 17-14 in the 3rd quarter)
    Wilson improved a lot before he got hurt (though his throwing motion still needs work)

    Negatives
    Missed a bowl
    Too many interceptions, receiver drops, and tipped balls (A-Rod needs to go)
    O-line was a disappointment (maybe need a coaching as well)
    Awful kick return coverage and kickoff returns (gave up 2 TDs and I miss Reggie Dunn)
    Wilson may be done
    Only 3 Ints (couldn't even get one against WSU who threw at least 1 in every other game!)
    0 PAC12 road wins

    For next season to be successful, the corners need to improve (like the LBs did from last year to this year), the O-line needs to play well, either Wilson is able to come back and shows further improvement or someone else needs to step up big time, and Whittingham needs to play to win rather than not lose (i.e. against ASU).

  • redthunder Ogden, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    It was frustrating Whittingham! Now please fix it.

    Here's how I look at it:

    If Coach makes some heads roll (Roederick, Finn, Shah) he could potentially add another year, if next year goes poorly.
    --if not--
    Whittingham HAS to at least go 7-5, with a 5-4 conference record. Beat WSU and CU and split USC-UCLA, UO-OSU, ASU-UA.

    Good luck Whittingham!! I'm pullin' for ya!!

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    Wish BYU fans would find something better to do than bash the team that beats them EVERY YEAR. It's like they have some kind of mental block that causes them to forget that Utah has beat BYU four straight. With that fact in mind, it is truly delusional to think BYU would do better with Utah's schedule.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    @ U90:

    If that's your idea of a valid translation, you need to go back to language school. Because that one lost you a lot of credibility.

    The real fact of the matter is that this year BYU had a strength of schedule rated more difficult than any Utah has ever had in the entire history of their football program prior to this season. And that schedule is also rated in the top 20% of all schedules nationally this year. And BYU is still going to a bowl game with a winning season.

    Contrast that to Utah who last year had a schedule numerically rated softer and easier than the one BYU had this year, and they still finished with a losing record and unable to qualify for a bowl game. That is a simple, verifiable fact. And one that doesn't need any translation.

    Using that "Whoa is me. Look at my hard schedule" as an ongoing excuse for a losing record multiple years in a row is getting really old. No one is buying into it any longer... except for a few ultra-Ute fans. No one forced Utah into the PAC12. So drop that excuse.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    @ U90:

    Don't be ridiculous. If that really is yoiur "translation", then you just lost a lot of credibility... which is not a need for "congratulations".

    The real translation and truth of the matter is that BYU this year had a strength of schedule higher and harder than Utah ever had prior to this year... ever in their entire history... and one that ranked in the top 20% of all football teams in the nation... and they still qualified for, and won their bowl game.

    Contrast that to Utah who had a strength of schedule last year which was numerically rated lower and easier than the one BYU had this year... and they still didn't qualify for a bowl game... with their losing record.

    Using that "whoa is me... look at my tough schedule" for an excuse for a losing record multiple years in a row gets pretty old pretty fast. Not many are buying into it... other than a few ultra-Ute fans. No one forced Utah to join the PAC12. So quit the excuses.

    You'd better start worrying more about facts and less about translations if want to eventually get back any of that lost credibility.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    U 90

    Since you've obviously taken the time to research Sagarin's rankings, where does Sagarin rank BYU and Utah?

    Just imagine where Utah would be right now if Colorado hadn't been invited to be Utah's new conference roomie.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    U 90

    Despite all of your SOS spin, Sagarin still ranks BYU ahead of Utah, and in the bcs rankings, Utah isn't even close:

    #40 BYU
    #54 Utah

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Yes, and I too went to the NCAA store in search on an Independent Sticker in support of by friends down south."

    The point that you've obviously missed is that BYU fans root for BYU and take pride in the accomplishments of BYU; they don't have to rely on the accomplishments of other programs as their only source of pride.

  • Alex 1 Tucson, AZ
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    As a BYU Cougar, it used to be that I had a reason to route for the Utes on occasion, since they were in the same conference. I always hoped Utah did well, except when they played us. For many Cougars, they no longer have to pay much attention to Utah. Not for me. Seeing as how the Utes are now in the same conference as my Arizona Wildcats, I now have double the enthusiasm for their annihilation on the field and double the reason to hope that they aren’t bottom dwellers.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    @swamped

    I've had that sticker for 29 years, it is not on my vehicle, I simply have it. I have never owned another sticker either, certainly not one proclaiming some affiliation with much greater and more accomplished schools in a desperate bid to try and capture some of their refracted glory.

    That is the point. I don't need to plaster some sticker on everything I own to legitimize my chosen school, especially when that sticker doesn't even have the name or logo of my school on it. I leave that for insecure utah "fans" to do. Individuals so insecure in their position of conference bottom feeder that they have to proclaim conference membership over school. It's a sad thing to see but funny all at the same time. lol

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    Kyle Whittingham is grossly underpaid and deserves a raise.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    and the worst news of all is that because of the utes, WSU will be going to a bowl game this year for the first time in 10 years. WSU should send a dozen roses to the hill for being replaced at the basement of the pac. In fact 9 of the pac teams are going bowling, how sad for Utah.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    @ Tators "if BYU is irrelevant in football, but are still going to yet another (their 9th in a row) bowl game (winning their last 4 in a row), then what does that say about Utah?

    It says that Utah plays a much tougher schedule than BYU. If you want proof of Utah's dominance over BYU, look no further than head-to-head results 0-4 and 3-9. Here's how it works for BYU every year.... lose to all the good teams on the schedule then beat up on all the mediocre/crappy teams which is usually about 7-9 guaranteed wins.

    Please name one season where BYU has beaten more than 1 team that finished the year ranked. I'll save you some time, it's never happened. By contrast Utah has beaten 4 teams that finished the season ranked in both 2008 and 1994. Save Miami, BYU chokes away all big games. At least Utah schedules tough and rises to the occasion some years.

    Translation: BYU schedules weak and goes to bowl games. Congratulations.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    Utah would have easily gone bowling without Wilson's injuries. At 4-2 with two losses by a fraction, Utah was in prime shape for a bowl except Wilson went south from there.

    QB issues (lack thereof) and insufficient recruiting at that position has put the pressure on Whittingham. Wilson showed some signs but his long term prognosis is a huge question mark for me. Is he mentally strong enough to bounce back? Perhaps, but Conner Manning is very intriguing. Here is the question for me though. Who gets all the meaningful reps in spring and fall.

    It has not just been that the Utes have lacked a QB, but they also haven't committed and set up their QBs for success the last 5 years. The QBs have consistently been hurt or the wrong guy has gotten the practice work and starting nod. Conner Manning is young but if he has the spring and fall to prepare under Erickson and Johnson then I will feel better about next years odds.

    The defense looked solid last year and they return most everybody except the big loss of Trevor Reilly.

    Dres Anderson will have more operation room with Kenneth Scott and Jake Murphy healthy.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    cougdawg

    For comparison sake here are Utah's results (per Sagarin):

    Beat 3 Stanford
    Beat 30 BYU
    Beat 46 USU
    Beat 78 Colorado
    Beat 228 Weber

    Lost 4 Oregon
    Lost 8 ASU
    Lost 13 UCLA
    Lost 20 USC
    Lost 22 Arizona
    Lost 31 Washington St.
    Lost 37 Oregon State

    Utah's best win #3 Stanford
    Utah's worst loss #37 Oregon State

    BYU's best win #33 Ga. Tech
    BYU's worst loss #101 Virginia

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    @ 81Ute:

    The irony of your statement is that the very first comment to this article was from a Ute fan who brought up BYU... followed later by silverstateute (a Ute fan from Nevada), and then of course by the infamous Chris B who seems to live for opportunities to disparage BYu anywhere and anytime he can.. BYU fans then simply replied to those negative accusations.

    So as is evident, it's not BYU fans who need to get over themselves... it's your fellow Ute fans who somehow need to get over BYU... but obviously haven't been able to.

    And as long as Utah stays in their current losing mode, there isn't much chance of that changing. After that last BYU game in SLC, the Ute fans stormed the field not once, or even twice... but 3 different times. It then became totally obvious the BYU game is still the biggest game of the year for most of them... yourself excluded. Especially with no bowl game.

    It appears that annual close win against BYU in recent years is almost the only thing left they have to crow about. So the next 2 years are going to be extra tough.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    @Christine B. Hedgehog,

    Leach has taken Whittingham to the wood shed each meeting? Utah beat WSU 48-6 in 2012.

    @Ed Grady
    I would rather hire a washed up offensive guru than rehire and OL coach and pretend that he's an OC. Twice.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    @Chris I guess you dont remember the USC game. Both USU and Utah played them at home. USU lost by 3 and Utah lost by 16 points. I think USU would of had a close record to what Utah got this year if they played the same schedual.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    Spokane Ute,
    Keep telling us come March when BYU gets a six or higher seed in the big dance and Utah is on the outside looking in because of their confidence building weak OOC schedule!!! I would much rather finish 1st-3rd in the WCC then close to last in the PAC12!!!

    GO BYU RISE UP!!!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    cougdawg,

    Yes, cupcakier. How are you spinning next year's schedule with 7 cupcakes? Would be interested in your take.

    I can't guarantee Utah will go bowling next year with most likely the #1 SOS again in 2014 replacing BYU with Michigan and USU with Fresno. But I can pretty much guarantee that BYU will go bowling with that lame 2014 schedule.

    And lets not pretend that BYU's 8 win season in 2013 was built on beating any quality teams. All they did was beat mostly teams in the middle to bottom half of D1. Per Sagarin

    Lost 10 Wisconsin
    Lost 25 Notre Dame
    Lost 32 Utah
    Lost 101 Virginia

    Won 33 Ga. Teach
    Won 35 Texas
    Won 43 Boise
    Won 45 Houston
    Won 46 Utah State
    Won 99 Middle Tennessee
    Won 100 Nevada
    Won 229 Idaho State

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    Most of the comments here revolve around the BYU game, I for one could care less. I would lose no sleep if Utah never played BYU again. So cougs get over yourselves most old time fans such as I have similar feelings. Look forward to your own issues with your own players and schedules. Good luck and good riddance.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    @ Live From the Swamp:

    If “BYU is irrelevant in the world of college football” as you said, then what does that say about the Utes... since they are ranked lower than BYU by literally every single poll and ranking service in the nation?

    After if BYU is irrelevant, then why did Utah jump substantially in the polls when they did beat BYU in the early season, when BYU was still trying to learn their new offense?
    (Unlike you, I do give credit where credit is due. And Utah deserved it in that game at that point in the season.)

    And if BYU is irrelevant in football, but are still going to yet another (their 9th in a row) bowl game (winning their last 4 in a row), then what does that say about Utah who is sitting home for the 2nd year in a row?

    You'd better hope that BYU is relevant in college football, or else Utah is actually less than irrelevant.
    Either you dislike Utah even more than you do BYU or else you should start thinking more before writing. Sadly, you're starting to sound more and more like Chris B.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    @ Live From the Swamp:

    People living in the swamps must have a different perspective than the rest of us living in the real world.
    It's funny that you're the only person I've read that claims BYU was lucky winning their games against Texas, Boise State and Houston. None of the football coaches and experts saw it that way, since BYU moved up all the national polls after each of those wins.
    And teams who go on 5 game win streaks aren't lucky. That's playing well. A lucky win is when a team can't put together any kind winning streak and suddenly wins a game where they were considered a big underdog... such as Utah's win over Stanford. I don't know of a single person that would bet substantial money on Utah in a rematch.

    However, there are many people who would bet on BYU over Utah in a rematch, since BYU has obviously improved a lot since then, while there's no indication that Utah has. Again, the national polls also currently pick BYU as the better team.

    Perhaps leaving the swamp for some fresh air might clear up the thinking a bit.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Here we go again... trying to explain things to people who have a hard time.
    "gimme" games are not won by a single score after letting your competition statistically outperforming you, as BYU did against Utah in 3 of their last 4 games. Try working on your vocabulary.

    And "moving forward" does not mean once again finishing as one of the worst teams in your conference... year-in and year-out, as Utah is still doing. Moving forward means improving your record each year and at least finishing without a losing record and becoming eligible for a bowl game... any bowl game. Utah has not fit that definition yet. However, I sincerely hope they soon will.

    Absolutely no polls or rankings say that Utah is "head and shoulders" above anyone else in our state... except perhaps Weber.

    @ Spokane Ute:

    I consider you one of the better and more objective Ute fans. But when you say it must be rough on the outside looking in, I can't help but wonder if you are you referring to Utah and the bowl games? Most fans consider playing in post season much more important than whatever stickers we do or don't display.

  • Live From the Swamp Holladay, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    A fossilized bumper sticker from the age of dinosaurs. I can get you a "University of Utah - 1944 NCAA Champs" bumpersticker, since you seem so intent on living in the past. The TDS has done nothing over the past 20 years in football. BYU is irrelevant in the world of college football.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    U90:
    Cupcakier? BYUs SOS this year was the second strongest EVER for any football team from the state...stronger than Utah's last year when they finished with just as lame a record as they did this year. Don't be jealous because BYU actually has a winning record and goes bowling against a strong SOS, while Utah can't find a win on the road to save them from mediocrity. And bad news...Utah actually has to leave the state for half their games next year...no 8 games never crossing the Utah border like this year. Happy Holidays this year, and I'll even wish them for next year is well...heaven knows ute fans will need some holiday cheer the next decade or so because their beloved PAC12 utes won't be providing it.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    @ CG "The truth is, your Stanford win was a total fluke, and you were lucky to beat Utah State and BYU. The Utes were closer to finishing 2-10 than they were to qualifying for a bowl"

    That's funny coming from the team that LOST to Utah and 2-10 Virginia. But hey things are looking up for BYU next year when the schedule gets even more cupcakier with Savannah State, Nevada, UNLV, Cal, UConn, Virginia and Middle Tenn State.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    Now Duck Hunter, you should know by now that I don't respond to your comments. I enjoy a little back and forth with the good, but not angry or jealous, BYU fans.

    Have a good life!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    @spokane

    Yep. But then I don't need to plaster stickers all over the place to try and offset insecurities. I don't need to try to make any announcements. And the one sticker I do have stands on its own, it isn't a desperate attempt to align myself with someone elses accomplishments.

  • Mkithpen Sandy, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Looking forward to Coach W coaching the defense at the Y in two years when the good Dr at the U sends him packing. Then Coach Wit can take over the program in a year or two after that. Maybe then the Y will get serious about the program again and not worry about how to the replace names on the back of jerseys, find a conference that matters and make a difference in lives of players, fans and observers around the country.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    Looking at next year's Utah schedule, it would be nice if BYU were on there for the automatic win that they have become.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    A 30 year old sticker. LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    @spokaneute

    The only sticker I own say's "BYU Football National Champions", do you think they have one of those for utah? I bet you can get one made that say's "utah 2nd place" though.

  • Live From the Swamp Holladay, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    Playing Utah's schedule, a team that lost to Utah (5-7) and barely beat Houston(scary American conference powerhouse) to end the season, would have been stomped by Oregon, crushed by Stanford, and beaten by Arizona State, UCLA, Arizona, Oregon State and Washington St to finish 3-9. You can keep the wins over Houston, Idaho State and Nevada

    The truth is, your Texas win was a total fluke, and you were lucky to beat Houston and Boise State. The TDS was closer to finishing 2-10 than they were to qualifying for a BCS bowl.

    Love the logic of our buddies from Happy Valley.

  • Bring Gary back Murray, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Hey Coach Andersen,
    Can you please come put out this dumpster fire?
    Signed,
    Utah Fans

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Why are football coaches the highest paid state employees? I've been a season ticket holder for 30 years but have not lost perspective on what college football is about. Coach Whitt seems like a great guy and the program seems to be devoid of any major issues or scandals. Recruit student athletes and play smart, disciplined football. Everything else is gravy.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    @plyxply

    Yes, and I too went to the NCAA store in search on an Independent Sticker in support of by friends down south. The guy at the store only laughed at me though. He did tell me that I could custom order a WCCHS sticker though. It must be rough being on the outside looking in.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    @christina

    Based on your own stated criteria, which is end of season rankings, osu is nowhere near being a ranked team. 5 straight losses and a .500 record will pretty much assure that you won't be ranked. They had a losing record in the pac12 (4-50 and lost to all 3 top 25 teams they played. They actually only finished 1 game better than the abysmal utah team.

    Thanks for further exposing your utah "fan' hypocrisy on these matters though. utah "fan" standard states BYU gets no credit for beating a team that is ranked at the time BYU beats them but unranked at seasons end, but utah gets a ton of credit for losing to a team that was breifly ranked during the year but finished nowhere near the rankings at the end of the year. Got it.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Maybe Whittingham can hire yet another washed-up offensive guru. Sid Gillman or Bill Walsh seem to have a lot of time on their hands.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Sitting home for the holidays and not participating in a bowl game again is totally worth being in the PAC 12. I went to the Ute zone and bought some additional pac 12 stickers to hand out to everyone else in my family who also suffer from inferiority complex. It is good remedy, I'm sure everyone who passes my car with my pac 12 flag, pac 12 stickers, pac 12 license plate holder, pac 12 baby on board sign are all jealous that we, us, the Utes, were chosen to be crowned in pac 12 glory. While the Aggies and Cougars are all stressing about practices and their next opponents, us Utes are content sipping out of our pac 12 mugs enjoying pac 12 basketball.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    CB

    Dust off another shelf in your hall of fame closet for that coveted SOS trophy.

    Playing BYU's schedule, a team that lost to WSU(6-6) and barely beat Colorado(4-8) to end the season, would have been stomped by Texas, crushed by Wisconsin, and beaten by Houston, Boise State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame and Mid Tenn St to finish 5-7, right where U finished with your own schedule.

    The truth is, your Stanford win was a total fluke, and you were lucky to beat Utah State and BYU. The Utes were closer to finishing 2-10 than they were to qualifying for a bowl.

    The Utes got exactly what they bargained for when they accepted their invitation to the PAC, so stop whining about how hard your schedule is now that you've discovered that you're in over your head... onward and "upward"

    4-5, 3-6, 2-7, 1-8, 0-9...

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    One more year for Whitt. Anything short of a bowl, and it's time to issue his walking papers!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    And to think we wont have a gimme game against byu.

    Playing the hardest schedule in the country would likely not end well for any team.

    I'll gladly take a tough schedule now as we continue to establish ourselves in the Pac 12, as it will only benefit the program going forward.

    byu and usu would not beat Stanford and take ranked OSU, ranked ASU, ranked UCLA down to the final second.

    This program is head and shoulders above the non-AQ programs in our state and I'm proud of what Utah has done in the past decade(As opposed to only being able to brag about 30 years ago) and confident the one and only program with a future in Utah.

    IS UTAH

    Go Utes

    Onward and Upward

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Silverstateute,

    That's the irony of Utah's not renewing the BYU game for two years; the stated reason at the time was that it gave Utah one more difficult game among 9 other tough PAC 12 games to play, but Utah has handled BYU the last 4 years so in hindsight Chris Hill and Whit probably wished BYU remained on the schedule. A 6-6 or 5-7 record next year is going to seem even less tolerable/empty to Ute fans if it doesn't include a BYU victory.

  • silverstateute Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    Is it too late to book some easy in-state wins? We could really use the Cougars and Aggies back on the schedule!

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    When you play in a conference that throws blue chip athletes at you on a weekly basis, what do you expect?

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    Ute fans, get used to tough seasons, and earning every conference win. This is what life is like in a top tier conference.

    Utah isn't ready to compete for a conference championship. I have enough respect for the other 11 teams to recognize that the Utes may never be crowned Pac 12 champs. My guess is they will again hover around 0.500 next season.

    That being said, I don't miss the MWC days. I looked forward to 11 of Utah's 12 games this season, and I look forward to next season's games with just as much anticipation.

    I agree with Coach Whitt's assessment of Utah's needs. Hopefully he find some game-changers before the Utes kick off next season.

    Go Utes!

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Dec. 9, 2013 10:44 p.m.

    Whit's candor about the season is refreshing. I think he has a realistic view of how the Utes year went.I would agree that the Utes showed improvement, but so did the Pac-12 as a whole. Both of the Arizona schools were greatly improved as was UCLA, Oregon and Washington State. I was thinking at least two, maybe 3 wins against those schools. I would rather see the Utes go through some growing pains playing quality opponents, than losing to 2 or 3 top tier opponents and still having a winning record by padding the schedule with weaker teams.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 9:08 p.m.

    Better move Washington over to the loss column. They just hired a coach who's taken Whitt to the wood shed every time they've met.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 9:06 p.m.

    The receivers dropped more passes than I've ever seen over the course of a season. The only consistent receiver was Jake Murphy and he missed half the season.
    A RB like John White and better receivers and the Utes would have been in a bowl game.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 9, 2013 8:47 p.m.

    Let's be honest here, the outlook rests with Wilson's ability to continue playing. If he is back next year, Utah will be a bowl team. If not, someone has to get really good, really fast.

    As for the schedule They will roll Fresno St. with their QB graduation. Michigan is a toss up as you don't know what Michigan team will show up there, the team that played OSU tough, or the team that almost lost to Akron. Oregon St., we play in Corvallis, but they will likely have a new QB and they lose their stud receiver.

    O line will be a battle, I hope someone steps up and grabs the LT position so Poutasi can move back to RT. Definitely need more speed on the perimeter, hopefully the young talent steps up, and the 2 JUCO receivers can make an immediate impact. Rumor is that Tevin Carter is scheduled to make it by spring, if he does he will most certainly help in the secondary.

    Whit's not going anywhere, he is building this thing right, and getting more resources to keep building.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 7:38 p.m.

    Wait, Chrissy says no power conference team would ever play Idaho state, must be an reporting error.

  • Its Common Knowledge Houston, TX
    Dec. 9, 2013 7:31 p.m.

    I think the conference wins were more because of a letdown by the competition than they were a result of the Utes playing well. We are in for some rough years and next year will be worse than this year. I hate to say it but I doubt that KW will be coaching the Utes beyond next year.

  • Cougar Nation #1 Provo, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    Does whittingham survive another 5-7 season next year?

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    Unfortunately, next season doesn't look any better for Utah's bowl chances:

    Idaho State - win
    Fresno State - tossup
    at Michigan - loss
    Oregon State - tossup
    at UCLA - loss
    at Stanford - loss
    Arizona - tossup
    Southern Cal - loss
    at Arizona State - loss
    Oregon - loss
    Washington State - win
    at Colorado - win

    With 3 likely wins, 6 likely losses, and 3 tossups, the Utes will have to sweep their tossups in order to be bowl eligible.

    The Utes play 5 road and 4 home conference games and the Utes haven't won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record since 1996.

    Utah's bowl chances could once again hang in the balance with Utah needing to sweep Washington St and Colorado in their final two games to become bowl eligible.

  • Trouble Vancouver, WA
    Dec. 9, 2013 6:18 p.m.

    The Utes have a tough schedule again next year to look forward to. They'll have to do it, though, without the relying on their pseudo-bowl game against BYU.

    I'm sure the U coaches will have them up for the challenge of another PAC-12 run. They'll be well positioned for another entertaining run at the division title.