First to ekute...you didn't understand my post apparently. The difference
is that BYU will have a better record and beat Utah on the court. I don't
have to know how it feels to have Utah fans talk about better record meaning
better team because Utah won't have a better record than BYU at the end if
the season...and yes you can mark that down.To the rest of Utah
fans, I apologize for letting certain ute antagonists get to me. I actually have
a lot of respect for coach Krisco and think Utah will have a good team this
year. Good luck, it will be nice to see Utah basketball back to being
competitive again. Cheers.
@ Gone fishinIt tells me that Utah is still top 50 in attendance
despite the team playing a weak schedule and being terrible for the past few
years. There was also terrible weather. That undoubtedly kept a few people home.
@ utah_man18""It is so funny to me that byu fans feel the
need to comment on stories about Utah basketball that don't even mention
byu other than in passing concerning the upcoming game. "====Look at the first comments on this and most Ute stories to see who brings up
BYU first. It is Ute fans trashing BYU. Why is that? It
shouldn't be a surprise that Cougar Faithful respond in defense.
WOW,8139 in attendance. What does that tell you about the an base.
For this Gougar Fan ...It's nice to see the utes back to business again in
basketball for a change.
Surf is Up,That's Pepperdine and St. Mary's. I actually
believe that byu will qualify.And I didn't have to think very
hard to see that utah_man18 also makes a good point.
Outstanding game, Utes! Coach K has this program moving forward once again. In
a few more weeks the Utes will be busy making some noise in the Pac-12. Louisiana CougarClassy post...thanks! Good luck to the Cougs this
It is so funny to me that byu fans feel the need to comment on stories about
Utah basketball that don't even mention byu other than in passing
concerning the upcoming game. That tells me that the way coach K got his team to
play in provo last year despite not being able to finish the win has some of our
blue-bleeding brethren down south a bit nervous. Is there some other
reason I haven't considered that's getting cougar fans to read and
comment on these stories?
All this talk is cheap. Play Idaho State Tuesday, then bring on what should
hopefully be a very exciting game Saturday.
@OaklandAforlife...hahahahahaha....Ohhh your comment made me laugh.
I'm still busting up. I'm sorry, but Utah State and BYU are both
better teams than the U. Weber State is a close 4th. Weber may even be better by
ekute, lets see if I can answer what I consider to be a strawman argument on
your part with a question of my own:Some time in March the NCAA
committee responsible for inviting teams to the dance will be considering
at-large bids for some teams that may not have won their respecive conferences,
but did have a respectable season. Now, suppose there are two teams with the
exact W/L records that they are considering. What criterion are they going to be
using to decide which team deserves it more? The team that played some tough,
close games to ranked opponents, or will they give the nod to the team that
pounded Powderpuff high school and Nancy Mary academy et al, at home for the
balance?I'm sure if you think very hard you will come to the
Cougsndawgs,"BYU will beat Utah on the court". I
wouldn't mark that down yet.How does it feel to own your rival
head to head but they claim superiority because of w/l record?
It's pretty simple...BYUs record will be better than Utah's and BYU
will beat Utah on the court...you know the same scenario as last year, and the
year before than and the year before that...you get the point. In basketball,
which is what this article is about, BYU owns Utah on the court, in the
rankings, and in win loss record. So all the arguments about whether record or
ranking or head to head are most important is a moot point as far a a bball in
this state...BYU owns U in all three categories. Period.
I don't think that Chris is prattling around pounding his chest or savoring
euphoria. He merely points out that according to you byu "fans"
"record is all that matters". So, Surf is Up, which is it? The perennial
head to head winner or the one with best record?
Surfs up,I think most any Utah fan in their right mind could not
seriously say Utah is the best team in the state. They may become that, but we
all recognized that Utah's schedule this year has been lighter than a cream
puff. I think what you are responding to is a bit of a play on the
tenor of the board since Utah moved to the Pac-12. Time and time again we Utah
fans have had BYU posters claiming how much better BYU is than Utah when, at the
end of the season they finish with more wins that Utah AND Utah has beaten them
during the season. Obviously SOS has an impact on W-L record. But
to many BYU fans who come trolling on this board, that fact only applies to
their basketball team this pre-season, not to the football team.
Hey Chris B and all of your many login monikers. I agree that the utes are
vastly improved over the last few years, but for you to be prattling around
pounding your chest as if they are superior based on their W/L record alone is a
bit naive.You seem to be discarding the fact that (1) the utes have
played very lightweight teams and (2) as in football most games have been played
a home.But if you want to savor the euphoria it has built up in your
mind to this point then enjoy. But, as with body building, U can
build up an impressive physique by repetitiously lifting lots of light weights.
But when a demonstration of actual strengthy is required then the humiliation
will set in.
All of the BYU fans need a hug.. They are obviously in mourning. It's tough
when your team isn't doing all that well.
@CougsndawgsKimmy:As I stated above that's because BYU
had the 32nd ranked schedule in the country...14 places ahead of Utah's
2012 SOS where they only went 5-7, 3-6, not 8-4 like BYU.---------------So you think BYU would go 8-4 playing a PAC-12 (Big
5) schedule? Which means that you would have won at least 5 conference games.
Utah and TCU, who have much better talent, have not been able to win
more than 4 conference games in any season.What makes you think BYU
has better talent than both Utah and TCU, which will allow it to compete in a
Big 5 league?NFL? BYU is on par with Colorado with the number of
players drafted since 2005.Class Rankings? BYU is at the bottom of the
PAC-12.Better coaching? Maybe because BYU is 0-8 vs Utah/TCU?
ute alumniparadise, UTuteologyusing last year as the bar
to measure against is really pathetic. anyone is better than that. next week
will prove that WCC will dominate pac 10.2---------------Two words: Delon WrightToo early but he MIGHT be the best player
in the State.WCC is a two team league. PAC-12 has three teams
ranked and Colorado just upset #6 Kansas. Can you please tell us the last time
you beat a ranked team?"Last year, the Utes wouldn’t have
been able to separate from Fresno State, or hit the Bulldogs with a debilitating
second half run, or win a game like this on pure athleticism." -- Tony
JonesI agree with Tony, Sorry Ducky but Utah has athletes not
C'mon Ute fans strength of schedule only matters in basketball, not
football. And by golly head-to-head only matters if the blue team wins.Never mind that during league play Utah will be competing in the 4th
toughest basketball conference while BYU will be competing in the #9 conf. Here
in the bubble we only pay attention to pre-league play SOS.
Jingle Bells jingle bells, jingle all the day...oh what fun it is to ride in a
one horse open sleigh! HEy!
Utah is clearly the better of the two teams. The Utes are more athletic you can
see it in the stat lines Utah doesn't have to go into a zone to play a more
athletic team. Byu may be the 2nd best team in the wcc. But it's the wcc
not the Pac 12 where 5 of our teams made it to the NCAA tournament.
@christine hedgefogAny true follower of sports will tell you that
head-to-head competition IS the only thing that counts. You can spin it a
thousand different ways with your stats and "what-ifs", but the bottom
line is, you prove it on the field. Any athlete will tell you that as well.I know that is difficult for BYU fans like yourself to take, given your
recent history against the U.
hedgefog,Poor analogy, Stanford isn't a perennial loser to the
ekute-Which is the better team? The perennial head to head winner or the one
that has a better record?Easy, the team with the higher ranking at
the end of the season, because that will have taken into consideration both head
to head results AND records versus level of competition. Nothing inconsistent
about that standard.Not many are delusional enough to believe that
head to head is the only measure. To think so would be to fantasize that the Ute
football team this year is actually better than Stanford, no?Sorry
to rain on yours and Chrissy's fantasy land parade.
Cougsndawgs,I'm not here to dog byu basketball, I'm a fan
of Dave Rose but...I'm talking about today, this season in both
sports...which is it?
ute alumni,Nothing will be proven in the unlikely occurrence that
the #2 team of one conference beats the #9 team of another conference.
Ekute:Luckily BYU basketball doesn't have to make that distinction
because they consistently beat Utah in both...next.
Good win. I like this team, they play together and. Move the ball around. I will
be shocked if this team doesn't play in the post season and finish .500 or
better in conference play.
Mountainflying:You're right I think I just needed a hug...I was
reading other articles and let my competitive spirit get the best of me. Thanks
for understanding, and good luck to the utes except against my Cougs...well
actually they will need all the luck they can muster against BYU. Congrats on
another win, and congrats on having a much better team this year with impressive
players like Wright. No one should make statements about best in the state,
however, until they prove it throughout the season. That's all I was
saying. Kimmy:As I stated above that's because BYU had
the 32nd ranked schedule in the country...14 places ahead of Utah's 2012
SOS where they only went 5-7, 3-6, not 8-4 like BYU. Utah is playing the 352nd
ranked schedule in bball...now do you really think that is a comparable argument
against BYU fans' appraisal of FB SOS and success? In the end it
doesn't matter in bball, because Utah will have their chance to prove
themselves as their season becomes more difficult. Good luck, and cheers mates.
The first two comments are right down hilarious. To be expected, but hilarious
uteologyusing last year as the bar to measure against is really pathetic.
anyone is better than that. next week will prove that WCC will dominate pac 10.2
I think Chris makes a good point. byu fans, you can't have it both ways.
Which is the better team? The perennial head to head winner or the one that has
a better record?
Wow, this is so laughable reading all of the posts from the true blues about SOS
in basketball being so important, just after reading all football season long
how it doesn't matter. They claim the W is all that matters for football
and hold up wins against middle Tennessee state, New Mexico State, Idaho state,
San Jose state, and delusional state as proof that winning is all that is needed
to be considered a team of relevance.So laughable, yet so
I love to see the Utes play well. Coach K has done a super job and this win is
a big step forward.I predict that the Utes will give the Cougars all
they can handle, and more!!!! What a great game it will be!Glad to
see Utah raise its level of performance against another solid competitor.
Success as the season evolves ....
Cougsndawgs.... I think there is a really good chance that you might just need a
Utah is MUCH better than we were at this time last year. Great chance to prove
it next weekend against BYU.Go UTES!
Fresno State= sagarin rating of 145 with a SOS of 162. Good enough for 10th in
the MWC. But hey it's a step up from Mount Saint Rockies and Seminary Tech.
Utah SOS sagarin rating is actually 352, I gave them too much credit.Don't get me wrong I think Utah is better and like what coach Crisco is
doing there, but don't make ridiculous claims about being the best in the
state. I'm just trying to save some people the embarrassment when reality
sets in later in the season.
Bouncing back from a tough loss is important. Now let's finish the
non-conference strong, and build momentum for the real schedule.Go
I think we'll find out in march that Utah is the third best team in the
state and it won't even be close. Utah is a much better team this year but
they still wouldn't beat Utah state if they actually had the guts to play
them and BYU is just a lot better. Congrats on beating one of the worst teams in
the MWC. Did anyone really think Utah wouldn't have the best record in the
state to this point? When you play a schedule weaker than weber state's you
better have the best record. And please don't make SOS comparisons for
football CB...football doesn't have teams like Evergreen and Grand Canyon.
Not an accurate comparison (and BYUs fb SOS was 32, not 336 or something like
Utah's in bball...please).
Beating so many jc teams doesn't count. Sorry you're still number
As we have heard all football season, beating worse teams is better than losing
to ranked teams!Congratulations to the prestigious PAC 12 utes with
the best record in the state!And again, record is all that matters.
Utah is clearly the best team in the state of Utah right now. Utah is very, very
athletic. Looking forward to the 14th. Should be fun to watch.