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Published: Saturday, Dec. 7 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Good one, Diane. Doctors, unite! Renounce your Hippocratic oath, and refuse to treat anyone who has the audacity to carry health insurance (since all health insurance policies now have to comply with the ACA). Treat the 1% only--those who can pay cash for their heart transplant. That'll show 'em. The 99% will rise up and demand to return to the old system where millions have to get their medical care from the ER or just die.

Oh wait, what if the ER doctors are part of the cabal and refuse to see patients who don't bring fat wallets? Maybe your plan needs a little rethinking, Diane.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The medical industry signed off on Obamacare before it was passed. That's why Obama succeeded in getting a bill through congress when Clinton, Nixon, Truman, and both FDR and TR failed.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Obamacare will force a two tier healthcare system in America. Because like Medicare and Medicaid, what doctors can charge for their services will be dictated to them at a lower compensation rate as Obamacare doctor remuneration will be. Thus many doctors will not accept government funded patients (many now do not accept medicare or Medicaid patients) and those that do, will have to see many more patients each day in order to keep their doors open with less quality healthcare provided. More and more doctors will elect to refuse government healthcare patients and charge more but provide better services for those who can afford it. Then there will be an effort to excoriate doctors who will not accept socialized medicine and there will be calls for Canadian type laws banning doctors from refusing government healthcare. If that happens, healthcare will in fact have to be rationed.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Ridiculous.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

Wilson is correct that no patriotic doctor can agree to participate in the Obamacare plan. Accepting left-wing dollars would simply lead to pushing this Country further towards the abyss of socialism.

When will the ignorant public learn that the government cannot simply pull money out of a hat to pay for entitlement programs? The irrefutable truth is that the government cannot give to one person without taking from another.

Obamacare is rapidly pushing this Country to the point in which the majority will feel entitled to sit at home while the government provides them with every want and need, with no effort on their own part. Shame on any doctor who chooses to promulgate this attitude.

JKR
Holladay, UT

Doctors in general and, specifically, the AMA are in favor of the Affordable Care Act (aka "obamacare") for good reason. If you drive a car it needs to be insured. Why should your person be any different? Just try taking care of young people that are injured or develop serious diseases without insurance. Believe, the Homeless and Melahey free clinics cannot carry the burden.

Sal
Provo, UT

There are already significant numbers of doctors who do not accept medicaid patients. Compounding that problem is the fact that there are not enough doctors to treat the increased numbers of insured. It's nice that so many will have insurance but not nice that they will not have health care.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"This Plan" Diane? There is no "plan". You couldn't better have stated the depth of the misinformation about the ACA.

First of all Diane 95% of Americans with health insurance are going to have the exact same insurance next year as they have this year, no difference.

Secondly, for those who now purchase insurance because they didn't have it before or have to change to an acceptable policy, they are not going to have an insurance card from United Health Care that says I bought this because Obama made me.

I'm sure in Diane's mind everyone who buys insurance through one of the exchanges will get a card with a hammer and sickle in the upper right hand corner.

Why would the DN post a letter like this?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Doctors could also unite in demanding a single payer system that will enable them to see patients on a preventive care basis instead of the patients only seeking aid if and when they can afford it.

Spoc
Ogden, UT

A noble goal, Diane, to be sure. Unfortunately this administration does not regard the loss of any particular freedom as an obstacle to their agenda of controlling power.

All they would have to do is extend the concept represented by the requirement that hospitals must treat all patients, regardless of their ability to pay. Physicians might be required to treat all patients, regardless of the type of insurance they have under the guise of not allowing discrimination against the poor.

The other option might be the government setting up their beloved "single payer" system wherein all doctors become employees of the government health department, insurance would cease to exist, you could not legally go to a physician outside the system, and medical rationing would determine who gets treatment and who does not, and by whom.

After all, the government knows what is best for you.

"All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others."
George Orwell

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

And many of you also wanted Romney, but the will of the American people trumps your complaints. Find other ways to soothe yourself would be my suggestion.

A convincing re-election, and a supreme court ruling ought to be enough for you. Or else you need to ensure that the Republicans take back the Presidency, The House, and The Senate. Good luck with that one. Most of the Nation realizes the damage that Republicans can cause.

Emergency room visits by uninsured that cost us all a lot is not the answer.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

So Republicans don't really want to help anything, they just want to sabotage anything related to Obama. Small wonder you lost in 2012, you don't stand FOR anything. You're just blinded by rage against Obama and independents really don't care for a bunch of whiners.

All American
Herriman, UT

pragmatistferlife said: "95% of Americans with health insurance are going to have the exact same insurance next year as they have this year, no difference."

Obviously you haven't read enough. Of those 95%, a good percentage of them have already lost their insurance. The rest will most assuredly see a substantial increase in the cost of their employer-provided insurance, which does not constitute "exact same insurance". How is it "exact same insurance" if a 50 year old couple must pay for OB services that they don't pay for now? Or a single man?

But here's the #1 problem with the ACA: our government cannot afford it. It is unsustainable, period. They call it "affordable care". It's not about "care" at all. It's about insurance and, mostly, control of the "little people".

Sven
Morgan, UT

pragmatistferlife said:

"First of all Diane 95% of Americans with health insurance are going to have the exact same insurance next year as they have this year, no difference."

I guess by 95%, you're accounting for the 5% who've already lost their coverage under the "individual mandate" portion of Obamacare...right? And NO, the remaining 95% of us will NOT be keeping their existing coverage next year. Know why? That's right, that's when the "Employer Mandate" kicks in!

I guess progressives like you didn't bother to consider why Obama and the Dems decided to postpone the "employer mandate" in Obamacare until after the mid-term elections in 2014. Let me help you here: The numbers of Americans who will be losing their coverage when the employer mandate is going to be staggering! The Democrats and Obama know this, thus the delay of the implementation of the individual mandate.

The physician shortage is going to only compound this miserable, socialist nightmare!

E Sam
Provo, UT

So docs are going to be asking 'why do you have this particular health insurance plan? Did you (gasp) buy it on the healthcare.gov website?' And turn those unpatriotic patients away!
What a fantasy!

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihiuahua, 00

What are they going to do? Force Doctors not to retire or not to quit practicing? My uncle is a doctor and he is going to retire at age 53.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"The physician shortage is going to only compound this miserable, socialist nightmare!"

Hilarious!

You do realize that most "socialist" single payer European countries have far more physicians per capita than we do, right? So if you don't want a physician shortage then moving towards a single payer system rather than a "free market" system is the best way to go.

This letter is the perfect example of Ms. Kathleen Parker's column published a few days ago in The Dnews titled, "The GOP's Toxic Messaging." No solutions offered, just obstructionism and bitterness.

Could you imagine how much better off we'd be today if the GOP put in just HALF as much effort into coming up with realistic solutions as they have to humiliate Obama over these past 5 years?

Hopefully after Democrats retake the House in 14 and Hillary is elected in 16, the GOP will finally get the message that they need to change. It isn't going to be pretty or easy. But in the long term, the GOP will be better off without all these tea party, Rush Limbaugh following, and Koch Brother funded bitterness and obstructionism.

Sven
Morgan, UT

The Real Maverick said:

"You do realize that most 'socialist' single payer European countries have far more physicians per capita than we do, right? So if you don't want a physician shortage then moving towards a single payer system rather than a 'free market' system is the best way to go."

Oh really? Care to explain why the UK is losing physicians at an alarming rate? Care to tell us why their having problems recruiting new physicians in their socialized medicine utopia? Care to tell us why they're attempting to at least partially privatize their utopian health care model? Let me help you, it is a disaster. Their hospitals are abysmal, patients have to wait extended times to be seen by a physician, and they have (as we will have) death panels (aka: "Care Pathways").

Again, please tell us why Barry and the Dems decided to hold off the implementation of the "Employer Mandate" in Obamacare until after the 2014 mid-terms? ((Crickets))

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

If a sufficient number of doctors simply go "on strike" against ACA and/or medicare I can absolutely promise you we will do what Ronald Reagan did with the striking air traffic controllers - we will raise up and train a whole new bunch of physicians who care as much about caring for people as they do about making a pile (so they can retire at 50).

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

I propose an American Physicians Corps (APC). New medical students would be provided with free training. An appropriate number of them would have to train in geriatrics to better serve the growing crop of elderly baby boomers. These APC physicians would agree to serve heretofore under-served populations for fifteen years (and no these newly minted docs need not be poverty cases - just not multimillionaires).

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