Church memberHistory is very much subject to peoples opinion and
agenda. We even see that today with things like the Kennedy assination. So
there is much negative written about the LDS Church that may or may not be true.
Look at all the falsehoods and negative things written about Christ himself, and
his Church. Bottom line, it does not matter. Being a member of the LDS Church
is not about my church is better than your church. No person who has ever been
a Church member has lived a perfect life. Therefore we as members are taught to
look at the known truths taught. Dwelling on a negative past, whether true or
not, is not productive, or worthwhile to spend time studying. Whatever
negatives that may exist in LDS history are obviously far outweighed by what we
have seen in todays great Church and its positive influence in the world. I
look for truth in what's good, not bad. I know the bad is not of Christ. I
know the good is.
More members need to use the scientific method on the history of the church. It is not good to look at only one side of an issue in life. People need
to look at the good, the bad, and the ugly. It is too bad the leadership of the
church has commanded members to not look at anything that shows the church in
poor light.It would be better if the church openly taught all of the
bad and weird teachings of the past in church so that members are not in shock
when they reach adulthood and hear it for the first time.
RE: Twin Lights, But (religion)it has also been a significant factor in saving
and promulgating scientific knowledge. The record is not just one way here. “Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that
shines of an evening, called the Moon? … So it is with regard to the
inhabitants of the Sun. Do you not think it is inhabited? I rather think it is.
Do you think there is any life there? No Question of it; it was not made in
vain.” – J of D 13:271"In my Patriarchal blessing,
given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I
should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the
gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and to the inhabitants of
the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes." (The Young
Woman's Journal, published by the Young Ladies' Mutual Improvement
Associations of Zion, 1892, vol. 3, pp. 263
Science tells us How, Religion tells us Why.BTW -- Big
Bang, Spontaneous Life, and Evolution...doesn't shake my Testimony anymore
than, Prayer, Faith, Brotherly Kindness, Family or Love shake my
Blue,It has not been my experience that science keeps folks humble
or that religion is self-indulgent. Quite the opposite in most cases.Just because the answer may be that God did it, does not take away from the
wonder or the pursuit of knowledge.Yes, religion has sometimes
stifled science. But it has also been a significant factor in saving and
promulgating scientific knowledge. The record is not just one way here.Some scientists have abandoned religion. But so have some very
uneducated folks. Conversely, I find most faithful LDS to have a reasonable
education.Honestly, the world is not so black and white.
It's deep space for sure, deep thinking requires deep space too.For one we learn : "...the workmanship of mine hands; but not all, for my
works are without end, and also my words, for they never cease"Well go out and get it, if you can. Since Columbus we should know about
limits.Science never could jump across the strings of unlimited truth.Religion lacks evidence so they give them no rights for scientific truth.But what I hate is, that none of the Reaching-out-there Explorations do
serve our suffering people on earth. Waste of money, sinfull expectations.We should focus on making things right at home first.
The DVD entitled "Special Witnesses of Christ" produced by the church
pretty much starts out with Elder Maxwell testifying (or paraphrasing from Pearl
of Great Price scripture) that "we are not alone in the universe." The
church has been teaching about other worlds and others inhabitants (more of
Heavenly Father's children) pretty much since the restoration of the
gospel!The DVD is also available on YouTube, under the title
"LDS Video: Special Witnesses of Christ." It is about 65 mins long, and
Elder Maxwell's portion starts around the 5 minute mark. The "we are
not alone in the Universe" part is around the 6 minute mark. Great video! I recommend seeing Elder Maxwell's portion as it relates
perfectly to this article!
Mormon theology has since 1832 asserted that there are countless other worlds
inhabited by the children of God, like ourselves, who are also saved by Christ.
These "new" scientific discoveries confirm the accuracy of what Joseph
Smith and Sydney Rigdon recounted as a visionary experience, in the presence of
witnesses. Mormons are at least as likely as any other American to
find a career in science, engineering, medicine and related fields that require
scientific understanding. The father of Henry Eyring, Second Counselor in the
First Presidency of the LDS Church, was a world-renowned scientist. Many scientists from the beginning of Western civilization have also been
profoundly religious people, including Isaac Newton. The myth of a
"war" between science and religion was created in the late 18th Century
There is a difference between scientific, secular, and divine knowledge and
understanding. Some of the posters here get it. Some posters stumble on
terminology and assumptions.Even Joseph Smith did not understand
everything that was revealed to him and I believe there Church leaders that are
still learning as we all should be. For example, this year they may say God is
omniscient and next year they may say he is subject to Eternal Progression, then
so be it. This does not take away the fact that there is one true God, one true
Savior, one true church, one true gospel, etc. It just means we don't
understand yet the revealed knowledge.
Science keeps you humble and excited by the huge number of important questions
to which you don't know the answers, but if you keep working at them you
can find answers - which are always surprising and always lead to important new
questions. It's a wonderful positive feedback loop.Religion is
a self-indulgent ego-trip ("The creator of the universe has His eye on
ME!") and tells you to stop asking questions - because the ultimate answer
to all questions is "Goddidit." History has made it
abundantly clear that religion stifles the pursuit of knowledge, which is why
more and more scientists are abandoning religion.
As I understand it Jehovah and Michael have formed many other worlds like our
earth with people on them. Our galaxy alone has 200-400 billion stars. Finding
life elsewhere would only enhance our faith.
SharronaThank you for your comment.Because of the dogmas you
mentioned is hard to put Traditional Christianity and Science together. However,
I can take the concept of energy in Hinduism and make the connection with String
Theory and with Mormonism using "intelligences" as an element and active
component of a universal consciousness.I cannot and I don't
pretend that I'm correct, I only know that we don't have enough
information to really understand how all works. I feel God in all my
being and everywhere and I love science because it gives us an open mind to
pursue the knowledge we don't have, make mistakes, a thousand time ,
recognize them and continue investigating.I think God has given all
civilizations and will continue giving us the opportunity to search for the full
knowledge of what is.
I am a member of the one true church here on earth (not LDS) and the
church's doctrine has no problem reconciling the place of science and faith
in one's life.
RE: Baccus0902,the Hindu tradition may offer glimpses to an association of
science and mythology that have a common ground.Pantheism
characterizes Hindu Doctrine that the universe is God and, conversely, that
there is no god apart from the substance, forces, and laws manifested in the
universe. VS, Creation ex nihlio.For in him we live and move and
have our Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for its very
existence.God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things
that were not.(Romans 4:17 NIV)In(2Tim 1:9 & Titus 1:2)God
existed before time, implying he created time. RE: Gmlewis Heb 1:2
, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir
of all things, by whom also he made the worlds=(G.,aions/time).For
God so loved the world=(G. ,cosmos) that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)
J.D.you know about symbols and metaphors, Right?
The book of Abraham say the sun [is said] to borrow its light from Kolob through
the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, which is the grand Key, or, in other words, the
governing power. Who can argue with that?
What a beautiful article.@ HutteriteCertitude is one of the
blessings and curses of organized religion. Blessing, because it gives its
followers peace and safety. Curse, because that peace and safety has not
concrete or tangible support.However, it doesn't take away the
existence of a divine power and/or consciousness. The problem is that when we
talk about religion in the west, usually the implication is the Judeo-Christian
tradition. However, if we expand our perspective we can see that the Hindu
tradition may offer glimpses to an association of science and mythology that
have a common ground.The Pearl of Great Price in Mormonism is
another document that may offer support to this article. I always rejoice in the
Psalm 8 that touches in this theme.My humble opinion, is that
fundamentalism by nature creates limitations and separation for the inquisitive
mind. Fundamentalism provides certitude based on limited knowledge. Again, I think this is a refreshing and well written article.
I love to see pictures of the stars and other phenomena and learn of the latest
in astrophysics and astronomy.I too see no conflict here. Rather I
find these to be an exciting insight into God's creation."And worlds without number have I created . . ."
to HutteriteOrganized Religion is the ultimate long con. If I want
con men "telling a story" while furthering an agenda; I'll go watch
an episode of Leverage.
This is one of the most sensible, well-thought-out and cogent articles I've
ever read on the subject. Congratulations!
Hebrews 1:2 -Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.There are several scriptural references to multiple planets, and that all were
created by the Son of God. I am elated to know that we have brothers and
sisters living elsewhere in the Universe.
How come religion gets to play fast and loose with it's own agenda? If the
church, which claims divine knowledge not available to me but under whose tenets
it wants me to live, truly has the truth it was correct about space back in the
day when Galileo was censured and need not change. Absolute divine knowledge
really is absolute, isn't it? Or are they just making this stuff up?
The problem that religion has is it uses bronze age terminology: visions,
inspiration. The problem that the science has it can't come up with
anything better because it can't produce evidence what its theorists are
predicting: parallel universes where the force constants are completely
different than they are in the observed universe.So I will stick to
the bronze age terminology. But if I get to heaven (heaven: a bronze age term
that describes a parallel universe that is theorized based on string theory, but
can't be observed) I am going to signing up for a physics class.
Life is a natural aspect of nature itself and is as inevitable throughout the
universes as space itself. The forms of life is future discovery for man's
exploration; and by that time man will have rediscovered god as nature and
nature as god.