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Published: Friday, Dec. 6 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Mark B
Eureka, CA

What tires me about letters like Joyce's is this: they will start with a premise that is impossible to attack - "Public officials should be honest." But then, when the examples of dishonesty begin to roll, they are completely one-sided, invariably against Democrats, as if the writer had lived on Jupiter before Inauguration day, 2009. Nor is there any comparison of the severity of consequences of one lie ("I did not have sex...") to another ("We know where Saddam keeps his WMD.."). This kind of manipulation of the past creates a kind of dishonesty itself, usually in the form of assuming moral superiority.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

GZE made a good point. John Swallow stepped down. He is not in office.

Swallow's "crimes" were minor compared to Obama. Should Obama stay in office or should he do the right thing and remove himself?

If John Swallow is not enough of an example, how about Richard Nixon? Nixon did not play cards while an embassy was under attack. Nixon did not foist a 2,000 page ObamaCare bill on America. Nixon lied to us about a 2-bit burglary. His "crime" was that he got caught in a lie. Obama has lied to us about Benghazi. He has lied to us about ObamaCare. He has lied to us about his uncle. (He told us that he didn't know the man when he had lived with that uncle for two years.) How many lies does it take before Obama's "crimes" equal Nixon's?

SCfan
clearfield, UT

GZE
In case you were not aware, recent polls do show that were the election held this year, instead of last, Romney would have won the Presidency. Not surprising considering in about every poll Obama is very low in all the major issues like health care and the economy.

Truthseeker
Sounds to me like you have just defined what some of us term "the low information voter". Thanks.

FT
salt lake city, UT

This letter seems to have been written by one of those "low information" voters that conservatives keep telling us about.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

JThompson's post is precisely the kind of thing referred to in the 1:18 post above. Perhaps he is too young to recall everything associated with the dingle name "Watergate", but I am not. Nixon (and dozens of others') lies were such, and over a long period, that Senate support for Nison dropped to around 10. That doesn't happen on the basis of one little fib. JT can attempt to equate all that with something pertaining to Obama's uncle, but all lies are NOT the same in their severity or harm. An accurate answer to JT's concluding question would be - about a thousand years.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:SCfan
While I agree it pertains to the "low information voter" I don't think it is confined to the low information voter. I think the majority of us do it to a greater or lesser extent. Perhaps it is part of the human condition.

There is no lack of information available to us now. The challenge is to sift through it all and identify those sources which are merely irresponsible propaganda/commercial exploitation with no goal toward presenting factual/reliable information vs those which do adhere to higher journalistic standards. People who aren't discriminating, or unable to discriminate--the low information voter--can often be led to believe things which have no basis in reality. But sometimes the more subtle misinformation is harder to detect and can also lead to wrong conclusions and beliefs.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

I think I know how this political blame thing works, let me give it a try:

"The writer is trying desperately to change the topic from how John Swallow got elected here in Utah, and if I were them, I'd want to change the subject, too!"

How did I do? I've been taking lessons from John Boehner.

Spoc
Ogden, UT

@GZE,

No, the majority of Americans would not have voted for Swallow as the majority are not registered voters in the state of Utah. ;)

However, I have no doubt that Sean Reyez would have garnered enough additional support to have come out of the primary victorious and probably would not have been stained by association sufficiently to have lost to Dee Smith.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:JThompson
Thanks for summarizing the Limbaugh/Beck/right-winged propaganda.

In 2011, officials told The Boston Globe that the president had never met Onyango Obama, who at the time had been arrested for drunk driving.

Jay Carney said officials in 2011 didn't ask Obama about whether he had met his uncle and had instead relied on other records, including the president's own memoir.

Onyango says and a friend confirmed that Obama lived with him for three weeks (not 2 yrs) at his Cambridge apartment when he attended Harvard Law School.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

A lie is a lie is a lie. The worst lie is the one we tell our self when we accept a lie as truth.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

You forgot 'WMD in Iraq'.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

In her letter Ms Erikson, goes on about how important the truth is, all while spouting her own whopper of a lie: " Why does it matter? (Unbelievably, that was Hillary Clinton’s question regarding the attack in Benghazi)."

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

Imagine all the good that could have come from the Trillions wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan, if highly-moral Republicans hadn't been duped into voting for warmongers.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

No one is excusing anything, but here's the difference Mr. Richards. "Should we "excuse" the IRS scandal, the NSA scandal, the Fast and Furious scandal, the Solyndra scandal, or the ObamaCare scandal?"

Many, in fact most Americans don't consider these incidents as "scandals". IRS incident shouldn't have happened as it did but it has been "proved" it was decisions by long term managers.

Solyndra was a poor investment from a system that has provided modernity and immense private wealth to America.

Obamacare is a misstatement to about 1to 2 percent of the population, and the law itself will go down in history as a major step to equality and justice.

NSA, and Fast and Furious are examples of long standing oversight problems government has had since it's inception. Need to be corrected, need to do better but it's an ongoing process not an Obama scandal.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT
You forgot to mention Jay Carney, Pres. Obama, Joe Biden, Sec. Sebelius, the NYT, MSNBC with its sycophants of progressivism as dubious sources of news. "Improper promises" has become the new euphemism for lying.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

It sounds great to say you're against the evil "sycophants of progressivism", but it also raises a question: What are you really FOR? And please, could the reply be a little more lengthy than a bumper sticker?

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