Federal website fixes allowing more Utahns to enroll in health care


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  • hanfrina Buffalo, NY
    Dec. 6, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    ... Good to see Utah. We, here in New York State, have passed the 300,000+ registered so far!

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    One definition of "publicity" is simply unpaid advertising. Right now and for the foreseeable future, you're going to see all kinds of glowing publicity about what a wonderful phenomenon this thing is, as carefully distributed to story-hungry media people. But unfortunately, like Nancy Pelosi said, once the bill was passed we all (including those who voted for it) are now finding out what's actually in it--and you'll see the disasters unfolding every week for those who dare confront actual reality. On the other hand, if you really think it will be super in spite of the overwhelming and obvious facts, you're probably also wondering exactly how Santa Claus will ask the Tooth Fairy to the Christmas ball.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    The most patriotic thing anyone can do is not to enroll in Obamacare. This law will destroy us economically and it provides inferior healthcare, at higher costs and deductibles, and a flood of new taxes. When anyone signs up, they become at the mercy of identity thieves because there was never security features built into the website. When you sign up for this crappy plan, you are also signing up for a redistributive form of governance in which the higher premiums you pay subsidize health care for those who don't pay. This is a very bad law and we as Americans should not support it at all.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    "In the 65 days the federal website has been available, about 6,200 Utahns completed applications for insurance, but about 355 actually selected a plan to complete their enrollment..."


    So, 355 completions in 65 days, or about 5.5 per day.

    With numbers like that it's plain to see why the comparisons to opened floodgates was used.

    Clearly, at this rate the forced enrollment process should get everyone signed up in, ahmmmm, say,......never.

  • LelandTC West Valley City, 00
    Dec. 6, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    I've said this before and I'll say it again. If it has to be mandated for participation, someone feels it is a bad deal, or will become one. The theory is that the more people enrolled, the less each person will have to pay. A mandate creates the danger of having to buy, but not able to afford to use. It is also a major temptation for abuse at multiple levels. In my thinking, take out the middle man. Insurance companies make billions in profit. By having a system that is sans insurance, we will save those billions right from the start. It would require a pricing declaration to say what each procedure is valued at, and a Health Savings Account for each participant including an annual fed stipend equal for all participants. Could also include fund matching. A global account for catastrophic care from a percentage of each HSA deposit. Dollars not spent roll over. A balance cap stops additional deposits-so no further expense until used.

  • Gregorio Norco, CA
    Dec. 6, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    My Grandparents and parents did not have the ACA to sustain them. They had jobs they worked at for their health care dollars. They were immigrants with naturalization papers and learned English, a trade and lived with sponsors until they were self reliant.
    On October 1, 2012, a month before his relection the President untruthfully said, " If you like your insurance they you can keep your insurance." The failure to launch ACA, the glitches and my friends in Cleveland clinic having their jobs cut, my friends at the Wake Forest Baptist Med Cent having their jobs cut (950), 10,000 cut jobs in Orlando Health, 1,495 LSU hospital jobs cut, 52 friends at Delaware Hospice, 58 cut at Clifton Springs Hospital, 48 cut at Carnegie Museum, 100 at Emory healthcare and I could go on and on.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    There seems to be a lot of similarity between Governor Romney's popularity and BO's after their signature health care bills were enacted. Romney left office in Massuchuets with a popluarity rating in the 30's and even lost his home state in a landslide in the past election. Seems BO is trending towards a similar fate. Politicans touching the issue may be revered after their careers are over but seem to live in pain when trying to govern.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    Oh dear! What will Republicans do if Americans decide the ACA is better than what they had? To quote Karl Malden on the old American Express adds - "What will you do, what WILL you do?"

  • Turtles Run Houston, TX
    Dec. 6, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    Duh wrote: If someone wants to take the chance that is up to them.

    But it is not just up to them. If someone refuses to get health care insurance then their health care costs are shouldered by those of us that exercised personal responsibility. Why the Republicans and their right-wing allies believe this is the best course of action is beyond me. They wish to create a deadbeat mentality and force others to bear their obligations and then dare to call that FREEDOM.

    If the GOTP dislikes Obamacare then come up with a better system that is cheaper, covers more people, does not have a mandate, allows you to use any doctor and health facility, and does not pass the cost of the irresponsible to others then we can talk about repeal.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Dec. 6, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Romney vetoed the healthcare mandate "romneycare" before he was forced to sign it into. A little disingenuous to say it was his bill!

    Do leftists honestly think that subsidizing healthcare, by paying the subsidy to the healthcare provider, or insurance company, rather then the "consumer", really makes it less socialistic?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    "Our health insurance cost went up $10,000 a year for our family before one penny is paid for our care." -- Kathy
    Thank you for getting proper coverage. Now American Taxpayers aren't paying as much covering where your previous policy fell short.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 6, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    "It is ludicrous to suggest that Obamacare which FORCES everyone to buy a product and overpay for it is the same thing."

    What make Obamacare different is the President Reagan during his administration passed a law that requires all healthcare providers to render stabilizing services to all patients, regardless of they have the means to pay. That law passed the burden of paying for those services on to the healthcare providers, and to everyone who does pay to use the system.

    If you want to make this like many other kids of insurance, you have to remove the liability from everyone else for compliance with Reagans law. You can pretend the healthcare system is just going to absorb these expenses, and not pass them on to everyone else. When we get indemnified from the cost of providing services to those who choose not to pay... then we can talk about options. Until then, the only ones with options are those who think it is their right to put the risk of their healthcare on their neighbors, without contributing themselves.

    The uninsured cast us all whether by choice or circumstance.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    If you are foolish enough to login to this government web site and bare your soul with all your personal data (ss# etc...) then you ought to understand what you are risking.....EVERYTHING! The site is NOT secure. It is another Obama lie that the site is secure and ready to go especially when the architects themselves admit they haven't had an architecture review or ANY beta testing for security. This alone will take 4 months. I wouldn't touch this site with a ten foot pole!!!

  • Kathy. Iowa, Iowa
    Dec. 6, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    Wilf 55

    Our health insurance cost went up $10,000 a year for our family before one penny is paid for our care.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Dec. 6, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    To all you Obamacare haters who think the ACA is going to cost you money. . . you couldn't be more wrong. The ACA will lower RX costs. Why do you think Norway pays $1.75 for the same pill that pharmaceutical companies sell in the US for $18.00. Enough of the US subsidizing the rest of the worlds RX costs. Once the ACA begins to force drug companies to bid for our business prices for drugs here will drop dramatically

    To those who don't think we currently pay huge "taxes" to subsidize low income health care . . . take a look at the statistics for hospital write offs for 2010 @ $40 Billion and 2011 @ $42 Billion for emergency room care. Low income families have coverage right now, it's called the Emergency Room. Preventative care mandates will address health problems before they get worse. (and cost more)

    Finally for all you capitalists who raise business to the height of a religion, WHY? should businesses even be involved in providing health care insurance. It's not the job of business in the US to come up with medical insurance coverage in the first place.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 11:42 a.m.


    Why confuse people with the facts?

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    If 81% of people think that Obamacare should be replaced, we would like to see with what. The sensible options haven't been presented. There are people against it, yet they don't seem to understand it either. This plan is the best we've got so far (unless people eventually decide that a single payer system is the alternative) and most people in the Republican Party (and some in the Democratic Party and Independents) think this is socialistic. So, if people want a free marketplace approach, this is what we've got and it's the law. It is not perfect, but is a work in progress...so give your ideas to the appropriate people as to how it can be improved. The most important aspect of it is taking away the Pre-existing conditions for people that was causing some to have so many financial problems and some to become medically bankrupt. Let's try and stop this.

  • ACDC South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    Wasn't Marx who said (paraphrasing) that if a government can control the people's healthcare then they are well on their way to socialism?

  • jeru0455 SALEM, OR
    Dec. 6, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    People need to understand that there is no such thing as "letting people take their own chances." If you get hurt and don't have insurance you go to the emergency room, and if you can't pay for it the country picks up the tab. We need the ACA because the system we have obviously isn't working.

  • Utah Health Policy Project Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    We all need more fact-based outreach and education about the Obamacare. We're glad that the Deseret News and other news organizations continue to cover health-care reform.
    Here are some more facts:
    1-Utahns purchase private insurance on healthcare.gov - not government insurance
    2-Obamacare is not socialized medicine like Canada or France - the ACA brings millions of new customers to private insurance companies
    3-Premiums subsidies are paid directly to private insurance companies, not the consumers
    4-Premium subsidies are offered on a sliding scale based on income - from $11,500 to $44,000 for a single person
    5-The ACA capital gains tax only applies to individuals who earn more than $200k, and couples that earn more than $250k a year.
    6-About 84% of Utahns under age 65 who independently purchase private insurance will be eligible for premium subsidies
    7-If you need assistance signing up for new insurance, find trained experts (for free) at takecareutah-dott-org.
    8-If you are over age 65 and on Medicare, you don't need sign up for any Obamacare insurance.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    The unemployment is dropping to below 7 percent. Lots of new covered wage earners.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    UtahBlueDevil: No. Obamacare is not just like how all insurance works. I don't have to buy life insurance, homeowners insurance (unless I owe a mortgage), or comprehensive converage for my car (I don't even have to own a car). If my house burns down or I crash my car into a tree then I am out of luck and someone else does not have to buy me a new one if I passed on the insurance.

    In almost all cases, insurance is a voluntary purchase where I can calculate the risk vs the cost and decide if I can afford to take the chance or not. I may never file a fire insurance claim so my premiums are going to subsidize some other homeowner who's house burned down.

    It is ludicrous to suggest that Obamacare which FORCES everyone to buy a product and overpay for it is the same thing. If flood insurance was like Obamacare it would force the homeowner to build a small house on a hill in Arizona to buy it and pay the same premium as the guy who built a mansion below sea level in New Orleans.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    "...Have you noticed that the DN articles seem to minimize the negatives of the ACA and report only what they consider positives?...".


    "...I guess they must think that if you report something often enough that we might begin to believe it...".



    I'll play...

    For example...

    "...You begin with a hypothesis that has a certain surface plausibility. You find an ally whose background suggests that he’s an “expert”; out of thin air, he devises “data.” You write articles in sympathetic publications, repeating the data endlessly; in time, some of these publications make your cause their own. Like-minded congressmen pick up your mantra and invite you to testify at hearings....".

    "...You’re chosen for an investigative panel related to your topic. When other panel members, after inspecting your evidence, reject your thesis, you claim that they did so for ideological reasons. This, too, is repeated by your allies. Soon, the echo chamber you created drowns out dissenting views; even presidential candidates begin repeating the Big Lie...".

    Both sides play this game.


    It generally works...

    The players/issues may change...

    However...the game itself will never change...


    Too many willing participants.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 9:40 a.m.


    Are you for real? Are you still riding the Romney thing. This is completely different from what Romney did in a State. Even Romney will say himself, it is not the same idea. And simply, why do I have to fund the lazy and unwilling? If you are uninsured you still get medical care, if you can't afford it all right away I have yet to see a hospital that will not accept payments, and they will discount the charge for being a cash pay patient. I am not quite sure you even understand what ObamaCare does to the American people. It weakens the strong, and promotes free loading.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    I wonder why they shared the gentleman of Salt Lake City his monthly cost and not his deductible. I guess if they did they would be reporting a crime.

    I never knew flood gates meant 600+ people. That is a leftest version of flood gates.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Most all of the people of Utah will qualify for a subsidy.

    Guess who gets to PAY for the subsidies? Hint: its not the "rich" or the "poor"; rather its all of us in the middle income brackets.

    Obamacare WILL prove to be the largest tax increase in history.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 6, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    @JoeCapitalist.... what you say here is how all insurance companies work.... with or without Obamacare. That little 70 year old lady who drives 20 miles per hour under the limit.... she is subsidizing the cost of your insurance too. You are redistributing her money to cover your insurance.

    So what are you proposing? That everyone pay proportional to their cost? Teenager insurance would sky rocket in cost. Healthcare cost for newborns would go through the roof. Elderly care would be completely unaffordable by all. If you want to extend this beyond insurance to government... no one would be able to afford to have anything more than a kid or two at the most. The expense of schooling would devastate all but the most well off households.

    This crazy notion of redistribution of wealth is absurd. In every aspect of life, there is pricing averaging going on. No one is paying the real cost of goods or services sold specific to their transaction. The dude on a business trip is subsidizing the cost of the family across the isle of the plane because he likely paid double what they did for the same flight.

    Cost averaging is a fact of life.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 9:15 a.m.


    Rasmussen reports that 81% of Americans think Obamacare should be repealed or changed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    I think it's funny that some are commenting against the mandate when they presumably voted in 2012 for a guy who put a health insurance mandate in his healthcare plan (Mitt Romney). The reason the mandate is in there (Obama initially opposed it, Clinton supported it in her campaign while Romney defended his in 2008) is because if you're going to require insurance companies to take on the sick people by ending bans on "pre-existing conditions" then premiums would spike unless you also get the healthier uninsured into the system to balance it out. Also, Romney argued that this is a matter of personal responsibility and that the mandate is there so that people aren't free-riding off emergency care without putting money into the system. It was estimated that the average family paid around 1,000 a year in insurance costs just to pay for the funding for those who are uninsured and declare bankruptcy.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    Duh: "If affordable healthcare is what people want them give that to them but don't mandate everyone participate or pay a penalty."

    You don't understand. Under Obamacare, the ONLY way to make healthcare "affordable" for millions of Americans who previously didn't have health insurance is to make millions of other people pay for it. If grandpa needs a $100,000 operation and doesn't have health insurance, we need to get 100 young healthy people to contribute $1000 each toward his care (plus pay for all the government bureacracy to transfer the money).

    The way it is set up, it is just a wealth redistribution plan. Most young people are all for wealth redistribution when the wealth belongs to some Wall Street fat cat. They are not so enthused when it is their own wealth that is about to be redistributed to older Americans.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:49 a.m.


    You are correct. Most Americans are in favor of Healthcare Reform but most are not in favor of this law.

    The poll I like best is the Harvard Poll where most young people want Obama recalled. Oh how I wish.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    @Wilf 55

    Like you I feel for those who cannot afford adequate health care. My compassion for these people require that I oppose the Unaffordable Care Act. This thing was never designed to help these people. I is making things worse.

    Regardless of who pays for health care it only makes sense to fight to reduce the actual costs of health care.

    Some people can afford only a used VolksWagon, others can afford to buy a new Cadillac. Obama Care forces everyone, regardless of budget, to buy a Cadillac. Let's give people a choice.

    Many things can be done to reduce the cost of health care. A full 20% of the nations health care bill is malpractice insurance premiums. Another 20% is defensive medicine. Reasonable reforms could save billions.

    Emergency Room abuse is another major cost. I know an ER doctor. Old ladies come in because they are lonely and want to talk with a young handsome doctor. One guy goes there for free Tylenol. Many people who could afford insurance don't buy it because they can get free treatment at the ER.

    These are just a few reforms that could make a massive difference.

  • evansrichdm west jordan , UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:22 a.m.


    got to realclearpol and you will find that most Americans do not want this law or a single payer system, what are you smoking?

    Bytheway having lived in two countries that have this sort of healthcare system I can say it does not work.
    Seeing people wait months for operations that are needed right away is a scary thing to watch.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    This is not Health Care this is income redistribution. And from what has been reported your personal information is at great risk.Obama does not care about that as all he is focused on is control of 1/6 of the economy.


    You are right on.

    Hitler said

    Make the Lie Big
    Make it simple
    Keep saying it and eventually they will beleive it.

    Obama msut have read that.

  • theSkeptic CLEARFIELD, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    Perhaps the author of this article should say how many people have actually PAID for their policies as they are not effective until being paid for. Unless I've missed the announcement, there is no way for them to do that and no date when it will even be attempted. Since they haven't started to work on that minor thing.

    Looking pretty isn't the same as actually working from end-to-end. It's BROKE until they can actually bill and accept payments? Can you imagine Amazon claiming their site is working but not able to take real orders--oh, but it does look good enough for most people. Would be hard to stay in business that way--oh, it's the government, they don't need to stay in business. They just legislate themselves more trucks full of cash and go on their wastful ways.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Dec. 6, 2013 7:23 a.m.

    ....law that the majority of Americans don't want. Sorry not true. The percent of Americans that like this law or want single payer is well over 50% now that they've actually seen the benefits, and those who oppose the law are well below 50%.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 6:47 a.m.

    I wonder how many of the 7 million they hope will sign up are from the 5 million who lost their insurance and now have to pay higher premiums for benefits they do not want.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 6:43 a.m.

    You know it has to be good when the government forces you to buy. With the flood gates open and 321 people having insurance, I wonder how many do not have jobs (and thus insurance) under the act. Most small business owners are either putting off hiring or letting people go because of the premium rate increases in the private sector.

    I initially thought that the proponents of the ACA were blind to the fact that the increased cost of insurance with all of the mandates would cause business owners to drop company health plans. However with the number of people now getting medicaid or heavily subsidized insurance, I am becoming convinced that this was the plan all along. We are moving to a government health care system just as other countries are trying to get out of theirs. We are $17, 000, 000, 000, 000 in debt and we want the government to give out more benefits. Welcome to Socialism.

    Dec. 6, 2013 5:10 a.m.

    Have you noticed that the DN articles seem to minimize the negatives of the ACA and report only what they consider positives? I believe they are displaying a political bias in their staff reporting on this horrible law that the majority of Americans don't want. I guess they must think that if you report something often enough that we might begin to believe it. If that sounds like propaganda, it should. I wonder if this post will even be "passed" since other posts of mine criticizing the ACA and the democrats who foisted this on the American people have been rejected.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    This is a government site. Give it a few days and it'll crash, just like Obamacare.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Dec. 5, 2013 10:54 p.m.

    If affordable healthcare is what people want them give that to them but don't mandate everyone participate or pay a penalty. If someone wants to take the chance that is up to them. Communist or socialist countries mandate and that's what this country is turning to. Trust me, this is just the first issue, soon we will all have to deal with Hilary and if we think this is bad, wait until she takes over. The entitlement society we live in is going to destroy those who have worked hard for their retirements because our government allows them. The debts to our country do not get smaller when we decide to fund everything and provide everything to the people. This should never be a government run issue.

  • Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    Solidarity requires that we sustain the ACA for the many people that could otherwise not afford health care. This is how it works in all advanced nations. It's easy to mock the initial problems, but such irony does not show understanding for those who need affordable health care.

  • Lets check the facts Albuquerque, NM
    Dec. 5, 2013 8:36 p.m.

    Wow the flood gates are open. At this rate the US will be at 2.6% of its 7M goal by the end of 2014 and it will only take 37.5 years to get to the 7M goal.