KenWho are U kidding; not only do you not give BYU any credit for
closes to very good teams, you do everything possible to minimize every win.btw, this is a BYU basketball article; it has nothing to do with
football, which, for U, is already over.
As a kid, my cousin and I argued about cars.I liked Chevys and he
liked Fords. We even got into a fist fight over this.Today, I drive
a Toyota, and he drives a Chevy. We laugh about the old days.Debating the utes, and cougs is fun, but irrelevant. It's competitive,
but we're not the ones on the field making the plays.
I give byu as much credit for their close losses as byu fans gave to Utah for
their close losses in football this year. Pot meet kettle.
Ufan - I think we understand. Its ok for byu fans to have a double standard but
no ok for Ute fans to do the exact same? Got it.
UMass wins this one. Too many ( I need to shoot the ball now ) players on this Y
PAC Man,No complaint when they actually drive BEFORE the defense has
shifted and formed a wall to stop them.
Top 10 matchup for BYU tomorrow.Current RPI Rankings#1
UMass(7-0)#9 BYU(6-2)Go Cougars!
Chris B"So when the ute football team has close games against
ranked ucla and ranked Arizona state and at the time ranked Oregon state it
doesn't count for anything or show the utes are a good program..."It's funny how you didn't give BYU one iota (look it up) of
credit last year for losing three games to Top 25 teams by a total of 10 points
(including a 3-point loss at Notre Dame).In fact, I distinctly
recall you mocking BYU every time the Cougars have lost a game, last year, this
year, and every other year, regardless of how close and regardless of whether
the opponent was ranked or not.Pot meet kettle.
Tator,So when the ute football team has close games against ranked
ucla and ranked Arizona state and at the time ranked Oregon state it
doesn't count for anything or show the utes are a good program but when byu
loses close to ranked teams in basketball it means something?Nope,
no double standard there.
This is a very young team, like the football team is. I'm loving what I
see, fast break, good defense, and Phi Slamma Jamma.Of course BYU
doesn't have Hakeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler and Dave Rose, but they do
have Dave Rose, Mika, Haws, Carlino, and Collinsworth. Those guys, with Bartley
et al. coming in is a very good approximation of Phi Slamma Jamma.Let's say Phi Slamma Jamma, Jr. They play very tough inside
and don't live on 3s. Will they beat UMass on their court? Good win if they
do. But they'll be good this year. Mark it Down.
Although it is obviously a lot better to beat ranked teams, playing them does
help a little bit as it improves the strength of schedule. Playing them close in
nationally televised games is even better, as it shows people who will be
selecting teams for the NCAA tournament that BYU is no pushover. But
I actually agree with Chris B for once in that losing to anybody, even a ranked
team, is nothing to brag about. BYU has been close to beating both ranked teams
they have played this year. I hope they can finally get it done against UMass.
Another thing, Chris...It matters more to play nationally ranked
teams very competitively and barely lose than it does to play those same teams
and get blown off the court. Believe it or not, people do judge teams by how
competitive they are against really good teams.... especailly in basketball
where a longer season usually entails playing teams from one end of the spectrum
to the bottom end... where Utah has been spending most of their pre-conference
time. Just one time, you should try complementing BYU on well-played
games, like their exciting win against the previously unbeaten Aggie team in SLC
last week. I notice when something like that happens, you're unusually
quiet. You seldom comment unless it's an opportunity to put BYU down. Everyone notices that. That's why a lot of Ute fans point out that
you don't represent them and why you also lose all credibility with Cougar
fans. Your comments are extremely biased and one-sided. When that happens, such
a person is known as being too biased to be considered objective. People then
pay very little attention to that person.Just a positive intended
suggestion. I hope it helps.
@ Chris B:It's interesting how you disagree with the experts
all the time in football whenever they list in polls and rankings BYU better
than Utah... which was most of the season. And now that you think that agreeing
with the experts will make BYU look a little bit worse, you're suddenly on
their side. That's kinda like speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Another thing. When the Ute football team comes close in their games
with good teams, you actually about it. You also did it when the Ute basketball
team came close to beating Boise State the other night. But when BYU comes very
close to beating nationally ranked teams, you give them no credit whatsoever.
Another obvious double-speak. Decide which way it is, Chris. You
can't have one standard for one team and a different one for another
without being in danger of being labeled hypocritical by a lot of people. That
person also quickly loses his credibility.
@ CB"You played byu at home, so assuming they played at Iowa State
half of the time"I don't think Tators is playing anyone at home
expecially BYU.Do you mean Iowa State in the place of BYU?
daverTeams that rely predominantly on outside shooting usually lose
in the tournament - all it takes is one off-shooting game and you're
toast.By necessity, teams need to drive into the paint to force the
defense to shift. Sometimes that results in a turnover; sometimes that results
in an easy back door basket or short-range jump shot. Constantly passing the
ball around the outside often results in a forced long-range shot to beat the
buzzer.If you've paid attention, most of BYU's fast break
scoring is the result of passing the ball quickly up the court, rather than
dribbling the length of the court.Bottom line, you have to adjust to
take advantage of what the other team is doing defensively.
Playing a hard-playing team on their floor is a tall order. BYU needs to learn
to make free throws if they want to accomplish anything that really matters.
Dribbling at full speed into a wall of defenders is also a liability for more
than one player. Nate Austin has played the hardest and done the most to keep
BYU in games with blocks, loose balls and rebounds against the toughest
opponents. The other players need to catch up to Nate with their effort and
distribute the ball, instead of taking turns watching each other drive into a
crowd and lose the ball.
Just throwing this out there to the cyberverse:Of all the posters on
BYU threads, who does this best describe?"...in disagreement
with the experts about who would win most of the time."Did you
mark down your answer?Go Cougars! Beat those Minutemen! Time for
your best win of the season thus far.
christy"Playing ranked teams doesn't matter if you lose.
That's what BYU fans have been saying. Nothing to brag about
whatsoever."In football, the top 20% includes 25 of the 125 FBS
teams.In basketball, the top 20% includes 70 of the 350 Division 1
teams.#9 BYU is 2-2 versus RPI top 50 teams.#137 Utah is 0-1
versus RPI top 50 teams.Winning against good teams in football and
basketball matters, but you have to compare apples to apples when making the
BYU still getting into it's rythmn (lots of new faces and talents learning
to play together). They can surprise you in either direction. Bench strength
and the bigs staying out of foul trouble are keys in this one. It goes without
saying the unexpected from Matt Carlino is the 'dark horse' factor
that could easily determine the end result. They're due for a breakout
game against a top opponent, however.
Tators,You played byu at home, so assuming they played at Iowa State
half of the time, and taking into account what the experts(see the rankings)
feel about byu and iowa state, you are in disagreement with the experts about
who would win most of the time. But that's certainly your
right to disagree with the experts.
Chris B. Go watch your team play East High. This BYU team
is going to be a very good team this year. Can't wait to watch the rest of
season. Go day take down Umass boys!!
We're gonna crush these guys because we are better than they are.
@ Won84:I believe BYU proved it is as good as Iowa State by being
ahead most of their game and losing by only one missed basket or a few missed
free throws at the very end of that game. I honestly believe BYU would prevail
against them at least half of the time if they were to play multiple times. It
was obvious that both teams were quite equally matched. Wichita
State is a different story. Even though BYU was very competitive against them
until the last 4 minutes, WS did prove they are ultimately the better team and
one to be reckoned with on a national level.If BYU irons out just a
few minor wrinkles, they have a very good chance of upsetting UMass. But
regardless, it will be a very competitive and fun game to watch. BYU has already
shown they are competitive against nationally ranked teams and so do belong in
Playing ranked teams doesn't matter if you lose. That's what byu fans
have been saying. Nothing to brag about whatsoever.
Yeah - Unfortunately I see this season pretty much the same as the football
season:Okay team with potential that just can't beat the good teams
on their schedule. They will prob get into the tournament but bounce out in
either the first or second round. I see a loss against UMASS with Haws getting
shut down and Carlino going 3 for 14 from beyond the arc.....but I'll
still watch and hope for the best.
While I'd like to see improved Free Throw shooting, this team is not as
good as Iowa St. or Wichita St. This actually sets up nicely for BYU to get a
win over a ranked opponent.
Without good free throw shooting and Carlino playing under control, this will be
another loss. Are you listening Cougars? Every free throw counts.