@thinkfirstYou have your own opinions, I have mine.
anti-liar: The quotation marks did not extend after ...sustain" to
"leaders"; however, since we're clarifying matters, LDS church
members DO sustain their General Authorities twice a year, by the principle of
common consent, during their annual and semi-annual General Conferences. Local
authorities are called and their names presented for sustaining by the local
congregations in similar fashion. "Obeying and honoring" are logical
consequences when those called and sustained speak from the pulpit in
conjunction with their responsibilities. Please notice that I also said that
members recognize their leaders' humanity; Christ is still the only Being
recognized as being perfect.
I cannot even begin to comprehend the load carried by the First Presidency. I,
for one, certainly take them for granted. My deepest desire is to follow the
Prophet in everything I say and do. I am not too far from seventy years old.
Business as usual; just a shuffling of the chairs to draw attention and
to DennisWhat about Orphans?
@thinkfirst"... but LDS members obey, honor, and sustain their
leaders."With all diplomacy, I think you are confusing part of
the above phrase with a similar phrase in the church's 12th Article of
Faith, which reads, in part, "We believe ... in obeying, honoring, and
sustaining the law." I am not aware that members of the church
are supposed to "obey, honor, and sustain their leaders." LDS do believe in sustaining their leaders (in their callings).A
somewhat fine distinction, perhaps, but an important one, to keep the record
I'm genuinely curious to see if it will not only be male church leaders
outside of the First Presidency. Maybe the change is due to the church's
recent increased nods to women?
Dennis-MA: If having heard it before is your criterion for a complaint, perhaps
you should start your own religion. After all, Christmas is celebrating a story
over 2000 years old and one that was foretold millenia before that. You
didn't say whether you are LDS or not, but LDS members "obey, honor,
and sustain" their leaders. They also allow for their humanity. The older
we get, the more stories we have. Thomas S. Monson is the Prophet and President
of the LDS church and we sustain him as such. Personally, I grew up very near
him and have heard those stories even more than the general membership and I
still love them. President Monson is a Prophet of God. If you aren't
gaining anything from hearing stories more than once, perhaps you need to check
your reasons for listening.
LDS leaders would have a hard time polling 15M members to schedule the
Devotional. This is the 1st year I've ever seen Hannukah start during the
Thanksgiving holiday; as one reader pointed out, Dec 1 was that weekend. Also,
after years of the Gem Faire conflicting with Conference weekend, I emailed the
organizers to explain what and when Gen.Conf. was. They changed the dates for
the next year. When the Lord asks us to put HIM first, others
"miraculously" change their plans. Perhaps those you think are
inconvenienced by the Christmas devotional would actually enjoy it and its
inclusion in nearly any venue is possible due to technology. It could be a
valuable missionary tool instead of an "inconvenience". Just a
We could think of it as the second Sunday in December or the first Sunday after
the Thanksgiving weekend. I am sure that many people were traveling last weekend
and may have missed it.
@ Johnny Triumph@ Californian#1@94131WOW! I am anxious
to hear whomever speaks, Brother or Sister, and I am confident that their
messages of inclusion and love will be well accepted by everyone during the
season we celebrate the life and ministry of Him who served ALL.
With any luck we won't have to listen to any stories about widows this
@cedar cityCan a repeat "for those who cannot watch it live...lots of
other options to watch later".
The very nature of the article leads to the question of who will be speaking. I
was curious myself after reading it and had no thoughts that I wouldn't
watch, depending on who the speakers were, or that some speakers weren't as
good as others. It's a devotional celebrating Christmas, and the article is
just about a name change.
@RikitikitaviThey put it online. You can watch it whenever you
For those who cannot watch it live...lots of other options available to watch
Please let it be Elder Holland... please let it be Elder Holland...
Perhaps the 1st Presidency wants us to realize Jesus is the real Star of the
show, and whoever acts as voice, the message comes from above. Now perhaps the
1st Pres. can sit back and enjoy the season a little more. They may also be
busy with preparing for future events, one less thing for them to worry about.
tkwittUSA, CAAny info on why they moved it from the first Sunday to
the second Sunday,and whether they plan to keep it on the 2nd Sunday in the
future? These sort of surprises really mess with church, family, community
calendars.Easy to answer for a non-mormon. Sunday, Dec 1 was during
Thanksgiving weekend this year.Does that help?
heidi hoFort Collins, COI love change, and I know the only constant
in life is change. Bring it on. : )10:49 a.m. Dec. 5, 2013=====So do I.Change is a good thing, it's
what makes me Progressive.On to eternal progression, etc.
Any info on why they moved it from the first Sunday to the second Sunday,and
whether they plan to keep it on the 2nd Sunday in the future? These sort of
surprises really mess with church, family, community calendars.
-- "So who will be speaking?" --If they are leaders of the
Lord's church and speak by His inspiration, I'll be glad to hear
whomever it is.I hope it isn't announced beforehand. If we
learn in advance that someone from the Primary Presidency will be speaking,
we'll have to listen to "Ordain Women" gloat for the next three
days about how they got Heavenly Father to change His mind.
@dmj, will you choose whether or not to watch based on the speakers?
I couldn't see in the article any details of date, time, etc. Please post.
I love change, and I know the only constant in life is change. Bring it on. :
So who will be speaking?
Looking forward to this!Remember the reason for the season!