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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 4 2013 5:00 a.m. MST

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sharrona
layton, UT

RE: The title of “Son” is instantly relatable?

The first meaning of, “Son of Man”. Dan 7:13-14, “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, ...”. “Son of Man” was a Messianic title.

A second meaning of “Son of Man”, Jesus was truly a human being. Jesus was fully God (John 1:1), but He was also a human being (John 1:14). 1John 4:2, “This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.” Yes, Jesus was the Son of God—He was in His essence God. Jesus was also the Son of Man—He was in His essence a human being. The phrase “Son of Man” indicates that Jesus is the Messiah .

Here
Sandy, UT

This article has received only one - now two - posts. It may seem innocuous at first, but in reality, it is one of the more important stories in today's issue. Any article on the Son of God is.

What we believe about - and in - Christ is paramount for us as individuals and as a society. If we believe in Him and His Father, then it should follow that we love Him and keep His Father's commandments. If we don't, then it naturally follows that there is no certain law and everything is relative, with human beings making all the rules depending on the wind and weather of the times.

He IS the Son of God, The Savior, The Redeemer, The Creator, The Exemplar, The Messiah. He came. He sacrificed and suffered. He lives and will come again. His laws and His love are perfect. His message is one of hope and redemption. He has a wonderful plan for us.

I hope we can remember Him this coming Christmastime. He remembers us.

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

For children, obedience may indeed be the greatest Christmas gift. But for adults, the wise exercise of agency certainly is superior to obedience. Adam learned this when God forced him to choose which commandment to disobey.

Obedience has never been the first law of heaven. In fact, obedience is behavior rather than law. If there were a first law of heaven, I suspect it might be something like love one another, the Golden Rule or love the Lord thy God.

Here
Sandy, UT

IMHO, I respectfully disagree. We have been taught several times that obedience IS the first law of Heaven. Obedience can be a protection against evil. It leads to happiness and peace. It is better than sacrifice as told in the Old Testament. Jesus said if we love God, keep his commandments. The commandments are for our benefit, not so much to restrict us.

As far as agency is concerned, yes we have agency whether to BE obedient or not. But we don't have the ability to control the outcome/consequences of our disobedience.

I DO heartily agree that the most important law IS to love the Lord thy God, to love one another, and the Golden Rule. I think you are spot on with that.

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

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Yes, we have been taught repeatedly that obedience is the first law of heaven. I'm merely saying it is a false teaching. As Pres. Uchtdorf said in October conference, church leaders sometimes make mistakes, even in doctrinal matters. Just because it is important to obey commandments does not make obedience the first law of heaven.

Obedience is behavior, not law. Note: "And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated." "We believe in . . . obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

We should always obey the Spirit. We should obey Church leaders when they are right. Sometimes, the Spirit will lead a Church member to disagree with and not follow a president of the Church.

G L W8
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Here's a little secret: the more obedient we are, the more independent we become. It's the same pattern as expressed in "ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." The only way we can become truly independent is to gain all that the Father has, becoming joint-heirs with Jesus Christ. We can only get that by obedience to his commandments, placing His will above our own. As is said, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." (1 Corinthians 2:9) Among other ways, we express that love for Him through obedience.

desert
Potsdam, 00

For the above comments...obedience and love go together.
And so do children obey, because they do love their parents. Something to think about.

This was a well written article, I enjoyed reading it very much.

It never occured to me but until now, that all that writing and talking about our Savior is full of meaning if we get to know Him by being present in spirit at that location where it meant to be.

This article helps to do just that.

antodav
TAMPA, FL

To claim that obedience is not the first law of heaven is I think to fundamentally misunderstand the meaning of the term "obedience". Righteous exercise of agency is in and of itself a form of obedience. Also, obeying the commandments to love the Lord our God and to love our neighbors as ourselves is again, obedience.

We either choose to obey God or we choose to obey the world. Either way, obedience is still the first law of heaven.

Also, the Holy Spirit would never, ever encourage a person to disregard or disobey the teachings of a living prophet. That is blasphemous and borderline apostasy.

As for the message of the article itself, I have to say that if we did all choose to be obedient, and to appreciate what the Lord has done for us, this would be an entirely different would. It would elevate the world from its present telestial state into a state of celestial glory—something which will not happen until the millennium, when, with Satan bound, all will be obedient unto God.

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