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Published: Monday, Dec. 2 2013 8:15 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Besmart,

You don't think 5-7 is a horrible season?

Lol!

Gone fishin
PAC Country, WA

Talk about SOS. Utah lost to WSU who is just as bad as they are and yet they seem to ignore that loss....and they barely beat an even worse Colorado team at RES. SOS my eye!! Please just admit it ute fans, the utes are not as good as you think they are. SOS means nothing when you can't even beat the bottom teams in the conference.

The national experts have spoken......so let it be written.
Now that the ute football season is over, thank goodness, can we talk basketball?

Jazzsmack
Holladay, UT

What Chris B doesn't take into account is:

SOS does not matter if you lose.

SOS only matters if you win.

Lifelong Ute
Salt Lake City, UT

@besmary? If you follow the thread(which I recommend) you will see that Chris was answering how Utah was deemed to have a harder schedule than cal. Or were you just to trying to argue, even if he was right?

Lifelong Ute
Salt Lake City, UT

Be"smart" yes Utah had a terrible season. All utes have been admitting it all year. Where have you been?

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Jazz smack, and yet byu fans are already bragging about their basketball RPI which gets a bump from good ranked teams you LOST to. Sorry, can't have it both ways

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@who am i

"This years Ute schedule was ranked the most difficult in the nation and I would expect next years would be ranked about the same!"

Ok....so now what? Another losing record and bowless post season? Probably. I don't understand why this is some sort of badge of honor for utah "fans", you lost to just about everyone on that schedule. If utah has a top 5 SOS year after year then utah "fans" are going to be enduring a lot of 4 and 5 win seasons.

Let me clue you in, no one cares what utah's sos was. Alabama doesn't care, Ohio St doesn't care, Auburn doesn't care, usc doesn't care, and BYU doesn't care. No one cares. No one gives you a bit of credit for it when you lose most of the games.

Yes it is better to have an SOS in the 30's and have a winning record and go to a bowl game than it is to have a #1 SOS, lose most of them, and sit at home.

You utah "fans" can brag/whine about it until the end of time but no one cares.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Gone fishin

The bottom of the PAC, save CU and CAL, is still pretty good. Washington St. proves that. They are pretty strong this year.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

washington state is ok, not "pretty good". I do think the pac12 is fairly balanced in the top 6 but the bottom 6 are either bad, like cal, colorado, and utah, or merely ok like arizona, osu, and wsu. You cannot make a serious claim that any of those bottom 6 are "pretty good".

And for that matter the top of the pac12 is only above average, evidence of that is the fact they have all lost to some pretty poor teams with the exception of asu. Also the pac12 has basically not one single top quality OOC win. The one they do have, asu's defeat of wisconsin, is highly tainted. Outside of that none exist.

Of course you will disagree and that is fine so I'll throw you this bone, let's see how the pac12 fairs during bowl season. If the conference is over .500 in bowl games then I will give them more credit with one caveat, it can't be the bottom pac12 teams beating the mwc, cusa, and other low level teams while the top pac12 teams lose. The top pac12 teams need to win most of their bowl games.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

I didn't say they had a terrible season.
They were competitive in games and showed improvement with an injured qb.
They had a decent season I have said that all year.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

I don't see how any objective follower can say that Utah had a more successful season than BYU or USU.

Utah looked like a good team early in the season when Wilson was healthy, but once he was injured, they played about like you'd expect a back up to play. I believe USU or BYU could have beaten the Utes in the 2nd half of the season.

USU exceeded expectations, especially after loosing Chuckie. Playing in the MWC title game is quite an accomplishment.

BYU struggled early with new coaches, young players and a new offensive scheme; but got better as the year progresses. I don't know how anyone can complain about the schedule. Sure I'd love to have a do over against Virginia or Utah, but overall a good season against the toughest schedule in school history.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

christy

"Anyone who thinks that rankings truly take into account strength of schedule don't understand football."

Yet "star ratings" of high school football players and SOS ratings are infallible?

LOL at your biased inconsistency.

The truth is, ratings, in your mind, are only valid when they favor Utah.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

CougFaninTX

According to Sagarin's SOS ratings, 2013 was BYU's 3rd toughest SOS, although BYU was much more successful this time around.

2004 #11 5-6, beat Notre Dame
2003 #14 4-8, beat Georgia Tech
2013 #32 8-4

In 2004, BYU played #1/#1 USC(13-0), #4/#5 Utah(12-0), and #12/#13 Boise St(11-1).

Even so, BYU came within a whisker of qualifying for a bowl, 5-6, losing at Boise St 27-28 after a missed chip shot field goal at the end of the game. Under today's rules, adding a game against a Big Sky team would have made BYU bowl eligible.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@duckhunter

"Yes it is better to have an SOS in the 30's and have a winning record and go to a bowl game than it is to have a #1 SOS, lose most of them, and sit at home."

I think next years schedule is taylor made for each fan base.

BYU fans will get home games against Virginia, Houston, Nevada, UNLV and Savannah State. (Combined 2013 win loss record of 22 wins 38 losses) Throw in games with UConn and Cal (3 wins 20 losses in 2013) and BYU has "assured" bowl eligibility. What an accomplishment.

Utah fans will have home games against Oregon, UCLA, Arizona, Washington State, Fresno State, and, yes, Idaho State. (combined 2013 46W 26L - 2 top 20 teams) Throw in away games at Michigan and Stanford (I planned to go to both), USC, Arizona State, Oregon State, and Colorado and 6 wins would be incredible!

BYU fans can claim another bowl game, and perhaps a 10 to 12 win season.
Utah fans will have seen Utah play, what, 7-8 better teams than BYU will face in their bowl. Would Utah fans change anything? A poll said 101 fans would keep PAC-12 affiliation, 1 would go back to MWC! "Nuff said"

scenic view
Baltimore, MD

whoamiser?

The 2013 season isn't even over, yet I see Utah fans are already drumming up whiny excuses for another losing, bowl-less season next year?

You do realize, don't you, that you can actually watch teams like Oregon, UCLA, USC, ASU, Stanford, and Michigan play real competition, without the angst of watching the Utes provide nothing but the cannon fodder?

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@scenic view

Of the six teams mentioned two of them will be out for revenge for the defeat they were given by the Utes. And yes I do know I can actually watch teams like these play against teams other than Utah. And I do follow those games because the results affects the Utes. If we did not play them regularly I would be less inclined to watch them on TV as the fans of so many other teams must do.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

lonestar,

What deserves an LOL is byu fans making things up. Here is a quote from me on a recent article about recipe for success and how Stanford built their program:

"Some food for thought:

Last 4 years Alabama has had an average 3.7 star recruiting classes
Utah 3.0
byU 2.6

Yes, stars matter. Any individual kid can obviously be a hit or miss, but OVERALL the recruiting services get it right. And YES, its' better to have better players"

Apparently I acknowledge fully rating services are not perfect.

But stars matter!

If you don't think so, Nick Saban apparently disagrees since he's getting the highest average stars in the country.

LOL

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

christy

Last 5 years Texas has had average 3.8 star recruiting classes, which is on par with Alabama, and dwarfs Stanford, Utah, and BYU.

Texas signed substantially more 5- and 4-star recruits (63) in the last 5 years, than Stanford, Utah, and BYU COMBINED (46)!

2010 through 2014 Recruiting Classes
Texas 3.8 (5 5-star; 58 4-star)
Stanford 3.4 (3 5-star; 25 4-star)
Utah 3.0 (0 5-star; 12 4-star)
BYU 2.6 (0 5-star; 6 4-star)

Utah barely slipped by Stanford in 2013.
BYU stomped Texas in 2013 and lost at Texas by a single point in 2012.

And, before you bring up coaching, let's not forget that Texas is coached by Mack Brown, the same coach who coached Texas to a National Championship win over Pete Carroll's Trojans in 2005.

So how does your "stars" narrative account for Texas's 5-7, 8-5, 9-4, and 8-3 records the last four years?

Here's a clue:

Great teams don't just have good talent and good coaching, they also have intangible qualities that are IMPOSSIBLE to measure - "team chemistry" and "team leadership".

Talent matters, but not nearly as much as you claim it does.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

@ Chris B.
Your recruiting argument is valid for now, but Utah this year is
2.59 stars
2.63 for BYU
The Pac-12 losing is affecting recruiting
BYU and Utah still have some great recruits out there they may get though so it could change.

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