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College football re-rankings: Where do BYU, Utah and USU stand after week 14?

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  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Dec. 5, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    @ Chris B.
    Your recruiting argument is valid for now, but Utah this year is
    2.59 stars
    2.63 for BYU
    The Pac-12 losing is affecting recruiting
    BYU and Utah still have some great recruits out there they may get though so it could change.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    christy

    Last 5 years Texas has had average 3.8 star recruiting classes, which is on par with Alabama, and dwarfs Stanford, Utah, and BYU.

    Texas signed substantially more 5- and 4-star recruits (63) in the last 5 years, than Stanford, Utah, and BYU COMBINED (46)!

    2010 through 2014 Recruiting Classes
    Texas 3.8 (5 5-star; 58 4-star)
    Stanford 3.4 (3 5-star; 25 4-star)
    Utah 3.0 (0 5-star; 12 4-star)
    BYU 2.6 (0 5-star; 6 4-star)

    Utah barely slipped by Stanford in 2013.
    BYU stomped Texas in 2013 and lost at Texas by a single point in 2012.

    And, before you bring up coaching, let's not forget that Texas is coached by Mack Brown, the same coach who coached Texas to a National Championship win over Pete Carroll's Trojans in 2005.

    So how does your "stars" narrative account for Texas's 5-7, 8-5, 9-4, and 8-3 records the last four years?

    Here's a clue:

    Great teams don't just have good talent and good coaching, they also have intangible qualities that are IMPOSSIBLE to measure - "team chemistry" and "team leadership".

    Talent matters, but not nearly as much as you claim it does.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    lonestar,

    What deserves an LOL is byu fans making things up. Here is a quote from me on a recent article about recipe for success and how Stanford built their program:

    "Some food for thought:

    Last 4 years Alabama has had an average 3.7 star recruiting classes
    Utah 3.0
    byU 2.6

    Yes, stars matter. Any individual kid can obviously be a hit or miss, but OVERALL the recruiting services get it right. And YES, its' better to have better players"

    Apparently I acknowledge fully rating services are not perfect.

    But stars matter!

    If you don't think so, Nick Saban apparently disagrees since he's getting the highest average stars in the country.

    LOL

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 4, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    @scenic view

    Of the six teams mentioned two of them will be out for revenge for the defeat they were given by the Utes. And yes I do know I can actually watch teams like these play against teams other than Utah. And I do follow those games because the results affects the Utes. If we did not play them regularly I would be less inclined to watch them on TV as the fans of so many other teams must do.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 4, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    whoamiser?

    The 2013 season isn't even over, yet I see Utah fans are already drumming up whiny excuses for another losing, bowl-less season next year?

    You do realize, don't you, that you can actually watch teams like Oregon, UCLA, USC, ASU, Stanford, and Michigan play real competition, without the angst of watching the Utes provide nothing but the cannon fodder?

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 4, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    @duckhunter

    "Yes it is better to have an SOS in the 30's and have a winning record and go to a bowl game than it is to have a #1 SOS, lose most of them, and sit at home."

    I think next years schedule is taylor made for each fan base.

    BYU fans will get home games against Virginia, Houston, Nevada, UNLV and Savannah State. (Combined 2013 win loss record of 22 wins 38 losses) Throw in games with UConn and Cal (3 wins 20 losses in 2013) and BYU has "assured" bowl eligibility. What an accomplishment.

    Utah fans will have home games against Oregon, UCLA, Arizona, Washington State, Fresno State, and, yes, Idaho State. (combined 2013 46W 26L - 2 top 20 teams) Throw in away games at Michigan and Stanford (I planned to go to both), USC, Arizona State, Oregon State, and Colorado and 6 wins would be incredible!

    BYU fans can claim another bowl game, and perhaps a 10 to 12 win season.
    Utah fans will have seen Utah play, what, 7-8 better teams than BYU will face in their bowl. Would Utah fans change anything? A poll said 101 fans would keep PAC-12 affiliation, 1 would go back to MWC! "Nuff said"

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    CougFaninTX

    According to Sagarin's SOS ratings, 2013 was BYU's 3rd toughest SOS, although BYU was much more successful this time around.

    2004 #11 5-6, beat Notre Dame
    2003 #14 4-8, beat Georgia Tech
    2013 #32 8-4

    In 2004, BYU played #1/#1 USC(13-0), #4/#5 Utah(12-0), and #12/#13 Boise St(11-1).

    Even so, BYU came within a whisker of qualifying for a bowl, 5-6, losing at Boise St 27-28 after a missed chip shot field goal at the end of the game. Under today's rules, adding a game against a Big Sky team would have made BYU bowl eligible.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    christy

    "Anyone who thinks that rankings truly take into account strength of schedule don't understand football."

    Yet "star ratings" of high school football players and SOS ratings are infallible?

    LOL at your biased inconsistency.

    The truth is, ratings, in your mind, are only valid when they favor Utah.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 4, 2013 5:58 a.m.

    I don't see how any objective follower can say that Utah had a more successful season than BYU or USU.

    Utah looked like a good team early in the season when Wilson was healthy, but once he was injured, they played about like you'd expect a back up to play. I believe USU or BYU could have beaten the Utes in the 2nd half of the season.

    USU exceeded expectations, especially after loosing Chuckie. Playing in the MWC title game is quite an accomplishment.

    BYU struggled early with new coaches, young players and a new offensive scheme; but got better as the year progresses. I don't know how anyone can complain about the schedule. Sure I'd love to have a do over against Virginia or Utah, but overall a good season against the toughest schedule in school history.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:46 p.m.

    I didn't say they had a terrible season.
    They were competitive in games and showed improvement with an injured qb.
    They had a decent season I have said that all year.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:22 p.m.

    @2fer

    washington state is ok, not "pretty good". I do think the pac12 is fairly balanced in the top 6 but the bottom 6 are either bad, like cal, colorado, and utah, or merely ok like arizona, osu, and wsu. You cannot make a serious claim that any of those bottom 6 are "pretty good".

    And for that matter the top of the pac12 is only above average, evidence of that is the fact they have all lost to some pretty poor teams with the exception of asu. Also the pac12 has basically not one single top quality OOC win. The one they do have, asu's defeat of wisconsin, is highly tainted. Outside of that none exist.

    Of course you will disagree and that is fine so I'll throw you this bone, let's see how the pac12 fairs during bowl season. If the conference is over .500 in bowl games then I will give them more credit with one caveat, it can't be the bottom pac12 teams beating the mwc, cusa, and other low level teams while the top pac12 teams lose. The top pac12 teams need to win most of their bowl games.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:04 p.m.

    @ Gone fishin

    The bottom of the PAC, save CU and CAL, is still pretty good. Washington St. proves that. They are pretty strong this year.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    @who am i

    "This years Ute schedule was ranked the most difficult in the nation and I would expect next years would be ranked about the same!"

    Ok....so now what? Another losing record and bowless post season? Probably. I don't understand why this is some sort of badge of honor for utah "fans", you lost to just about everyone on that schedule. If utah has a top 5 SOS year after year then utah "fans" are going to be enduring a lot of 4 and 5 win seasons.

    Let me clue you in, no one cares what utah's sos was. Alabama doesn't care, Ohio St doesn't care, Auburn doesn't care, usc doesn't care, and BYU doesn't care. No one cares. No one gives you a bit of credit for it when you lose most of the games.

    Yes it is better to have an SOS in the 30's and have a winning record and go to a bowl game than it is to have a #1 SOS, lose most of them, and sit at home.

    You utah "fans" can brag/whine about it until the end of time but no one cares.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 6:30 p.m.

    Jazz smack, and yet byu fans are already bragging about their basketball RPI which gets a bump from good ranked teams you LOST to. Sorry, can't have it both ways

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    Be"smart" yes Utah had a terrible season. All utes have been admitting it all year. Where have you been?

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 6:24 p.m.

    @besmary? If you follow the thread(which I recommend) you will see that Chris was answering how Utah was deemed to have a harder schedule than cal. Or were you just to trying to argue, even if he was right?

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 6:08 p.m.

    What Chris B doesn't take into account is:

    SOS does not matter if you lose.

    SOS only matters if you win.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Dec. 3, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    Talk about SOS. Utah lost to WSU who is just as bad as they are and yet they seem to ignore that loss....and they barely beat an even worse Colorado team at RES. SOS my eye!! Please just admit it ute fans, the utes are not as good as you think they are. SOS means nothing when you can't even beat the bottom teams in the conference.

    The national experts have spoken......so let it be written.
    Now that the ute football season is over, thank goodness, can we talk basketball?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    Besmart,

    You don't think 5-7 is a horrible season?

    Lol!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    @ ArgoFY

    Week 6 and loss #??? (You forgot to give the whole story. As usual.)

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 3, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    @ Dallas Realist

    Nicely done. Thanks for being honest. Utah is ranked #33, Washington State #34 and Oregon State #36. Does that mean Utah is better than OSU or WSU? Of course not, they lost to them. I have no problem admitting that! I'm not sure why so many BYU fans struggle with that concept? It's because it's Utah; plain and simple. Have a good evening Guy!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 3, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    That's easy.........all out of the top 25.

    "head to head doesn't cut it"

    Now that's funny right there. By a show of hands, who thinks BYU is the best?

    Raise your hands high now, and keep 'em up.........

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Dec. 3, 2013 4:19 p.m.

    Just like Nick Saban, Stanford didn't want to be there either. Oh, and can anyone argue about that powerful Pitt team? Sounds like the stars aligned just perfectly. Oh well, enjoy caroling this holiday season. THere's no place like home for the holidays CB.

  • dallas realist rockwall, texas
    Dec. 3, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    As a die-hard BYU fan I would have to say that Utah is the best team in the state. They beat Utah State and BYU. I'm not sure how well BYU would have done this year against the Pac-12 schedule. They lost their two biggest games (wiscy and ND). they lost to a lowly Virginia team . The only decent win BYU has this season is against Texas. Maybe I'm wrong but we will see what happens when BYU plays a Pac-12 team in the bowl game

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    @Razzle2

    "The Y's schedule looks tough enough next year to be nationally recognized"

    No question you are right. Every schedule will be "nationally recognized". But how difficult it will be is another question. Hard to say which games are the easiest: Connecticut (2-9)*; Virginia (2-10); California (1-11); or someone called Savannah State (1-11). Now throw in 4 MWC teams; Add MTSU (8-4; Houston (8-4) and that leaves Texas (8-3) and UCF (10-1). I would expect Phil Steele will rank this schedule somewhere in the 65-85 toughest schedule in his preseason analysis. (Save this an tell me how wrong I am next August!)
    This years Ute schedule was ranked the most difficult in the nation and I would expect next years would be ranked about the same!
    Night and day difference!
    *current 2-13 record

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    Yep, Utes going downhill and a few more unemployed BYU grads. Same old story.

  • theDailyObserver Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    PAC,

    Doing a little research? That's a good one coming from a y fan. Since you love the Sagarin SOS ranking so much, tell me where Utah ended up on the list this year? I'll give you subtlety points for spinning byu's direct ranking, and not Utah's, but sill an 'F' overall. I guess at this point, you'll take whatever makes the independence pill easier to swallow.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    anti BCS "a Top 10 finish would put BYU right into the thick of playoff candidates. With an undefeated season against a schedule like BYU had this season, the Cougars would be a virtual lock for a playoff berth."

    Sorry. Yes, we had our toughest schedule, but BYU didn't play anyone that finished in the top 20. We would have to go undefeated just to be considered in the top 10 at the end of the year. A lock is not certain with a biased selection committee. Especially without a conference championship.

    Look how they are overlooking Michigan State (only lose to Notre Dame) and they are in the Big 10. They are debating Ohio State right now because they want the SEC. 'Bama and Missouri didn't even play each other (weakest schedule in the SEC) and they are still going to put 'Bama in a BCS bowl.

    The only lock with a high ranking goes to N.D. and they are losing their privilege this year. A simple change in a few games and N.D. is in the ACC.

    BYU would strengthen the Big 12. They need each other. I'm sure they can see the writing on the wall.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    That sure was a wordy way of using the same old excuse of "what a tough schedule we had". No one feels sorry for Utah and none of the national pollsters and ranking services accept that as an excuse. Schedule is taken into consideration... especially with the Sagarin rankings.

    Yes, Utah was good during the early season but then flamed out. You can't keep riding those first few games forever. If you try to, you will keep falling in the polls. That's exactly what Utah has done.

    Yes, Utah was better that USU and BYU early on. But since then, they've given no indication or evidence that they still are. None.
    What do some Ute fans know that none of the national experts and observers don't?

    Consider this... Utah fans are obviously biased... like fans of every other team is. But the national experts who create the polls and rankings are not. They have no reason to be. They look at the big picture, including SOS, and then decide.

    Didn't you tell us at the end of last season the same thing as now... that the future looked rosy for the Utes?

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Dec. 3, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    @chris B,
    The only thing "rosy" I see about Utah is that they lose more and more games each season. If the trend continues (and what makes you think it will change?) the Utes will continue to be bottom dwellers in the Pac 12 unless by some miracle Salt Lake City becomes more like Pasadena, Los Angeles, Tempe, San Francisco, or Seattle. If I'm a stud high school football player, I'm choosing the above over the Utes...

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 3, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    Cowboy Dude

    The only viable Big 5 conference for BYU to join would be the Big 12; except for bowl tie-ins, Independence is superior to conference membership in a non-Big-5 conference.

    With 5 major conferences and only 4 playoff spots available, it's an absolute certainty that the 4-team playoff will be quickly expanded to 8 teams within a very short time.

    At that point, a Top 10 finish would put BYU right into the thick of playoff candidates. With an undefeated season against a schedule like BYU had this season, the Cougars would be a virtual lock for a playoff berth.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    Condi Rice has admitted that conference championships will be one of the factors in the new playoff selection system. She also admitted that an undefeated team from a weaker conference will have to be weighed against one-loss teams of a stronger conference.

    In other words, conference bias.

    I expect Notre Dame to join a conference this winter. BYU let's get some interviews right away.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 3, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    ArgoFY

    Before spouting off, next time invest a couple of seconds doing a little research.

    BYU's 2013 schedule is ranked #32 by Sagarin; that's MUCH tougher than any schedule in Utah history, prior to this season, including Utah's 2004 (#67) and 2008 (#56) schedules, which pale in comparison.

    When was the last time Utah beat SIX bowl-bound teams that won at least 7 regular season games during the same season?

    Hint: NEVER!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    christy

    I've said 3 things since the beginning of the year:
    1. Utah would beat byu and usu - CHECK
    2. Utah would go 8-4 or 9-3(almost a guarantee at this point)
    3. The winner of the Utah/UCLA game would win the Pac 12 South

    ---------

    RichDaddy

    Well, you got one right.

    ---------

    Coincidentally, christy's one of three record is the same as Utah's one of three record in the PAC (9 of 27) and Utah's one of three bowl seasons since joining the PAC.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 3, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Soft schedule, soft schedule, soft schedule!

    I know, it's not going to make a difference, because the ignorant will still continue to spout that line regardless, but...

    BYU did NOT play a soft schedule this season. Their schedule was ranked in the 20s for most of the season. That is not soft. Most BCS conference schools have weaker schedules than BYU.

    Just stop it already.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    Fans care about rankings. Players and coaches care about W's. You can't really blame BYU or USU for their schedule. They have to play who's on it and let the results speak for themself. BYU will always be limited due to the exclusion from a major conference and the number of non-LDS kids who won't go to Provo. They'll beat Utah or other Pac 12 schools every once in awhile given the right circumstances. I expect Bronco to continue to pump out 8-10 victories a year against a soft schedule for as long as he wants to continue coaching. Utah will continue to pump out anywhere from 5-9 wins a year and maybe just once or twice in our life time we'll experience the Rose Bowl. Nothing wrong with those results for any of our Utah schools. It's a great place for college football!

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    @Ed Grady

    "Pac-12 Proud! What a joke"

    Very true. With the only bigger joke being independence proud. byu tries to pad their schedule with the likes of Idaho St., Middle Tennessee and Virginia (loss), while Utah has to pad their schedule with Utah St. Weber St. and byu.

    byu deems possibly playing Arizona as a successful season. What does Utah call it? Week 6.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    christy

    "Anyone who thinks that rankings truly take into account strength of schedule don't understand football."

    See Utah 2004.

  • RichDaddy Lewis Center, OH
    Dec. 3, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Hey ChrisB
    On September 23rd I wrote it down:

    I've said 3 things since the beginning of the year:
    1. Utah would beat byu and usu - CHECK
    2. Utah would go 8-4 or 9-3(almost a guarantee at this point)
    3. The winner of the Utah/UCLA game would win the Pac 12 South

    Well, you got one right.

  • Adirondack Cougar Loon Lake, NY
    Dec. 3, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    This year is over. I would say UState had the best year because they exceeded expectations. All three programs look into a somewhat cloudy future. BYU must still deal with independence. There is both good and bad with that. I love the TV part because I live on the east coast. I don't love the schedule, but over time it should improve, or finally a conference will accept them for who they are and what they can bring (there is a lot more than just football). UState has to find a way to keep getting solid recruits and be able to hold on to good coaches. The U has to deal with being in the PAC 12. Last 3 years 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, x-x what is the next number in the sequence? I have said recruiting will be their biggest problem. Too many other choices for the California kids, and when they don't see a winning program, facilities and other things won't overcome that. So each program knows what they need to do this off-season and during the coming years, who will get it done. I hope all three find there way because in the end we all win!

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Dec. 3, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    CB,
    The future of Utah is NOT rosy. it is more like "couchy" Like where they will be sitting this year, and next year, and the year after that, etc. Do you see a trend?

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Dec. 3, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    The rankings are all wrong. The utes should be #1 in every category. The national experts are nuts and clearly do not understand college football. They should have consulted with Chris B before putting out their rankings.

    NOT. So we see that despite the fluke in Provo this year BYU and USU ARE the two best teams in the state his year, as well as last, and the year before, etc. etc. etc.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    Pac-12 Proud! What a joke.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    @ Chris B.
    Northwestern finished the season 5-7 and lost a lot of close games in the Big 10 then beat a terrible Illinois team to finish 5-7 and be 9th in a conference of 12 teams.
    Sound Familiar? So the U had a terrible season?
    Merry Christmas

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    razzle,

    Cal didn't play Arizona State for one. And Northwestern turned out to have a horrible season. Not sure whats so confusing to you?

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    Hawkeye79 "Nine PAC-12 teams still managed to win 4+ conference games this year. Only three teams didn't appear to belong."

    So, that would make the PAC-12 tougher than the SEC right?

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    How does Utah have the toughest schedule in the country? CAL played Washington instead of Colorado plus Ohio State and Northwestern.

    Did BYU & Utah State make the Utah schedule top CAL?

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    The experts are wrong even though they are experts because we won byu and we are in a prestegous conference and that makes us more prestegous than byu so we should be ranked better than byu so the experts are wrong with rankings.

    Go Utes!

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    It's crazy to compare Utah's PAC-12 experience to BYU's Independence. Utah walked right into tough Novembers in the first year but BYU has not had a team to play in November until this year with Wisconsin and Notre Dame (they lost both).

    The Y's schedule looks tough enough next year to be nationally recognized and the U's schedule just gets tougher with Fresno State, Michigan, Stanford, and Oregon. As a Ute I am looking forward to the Fight Hunger Bowl and plan to go to the game...and wear my once a year Y cap.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 3, 2013 7:01 a.m.

    Kudos to the Aggies for putting together a great season and not letting the loss of their quarterback (whose name had come up in Heisman discussions) derail their progress!

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 3, 2013 7:00 a.m.

    "Sure, we lost a whole lot this year...but at least we played good teams, right?"

    The student who takes an honors course and botches most of the assignments still fails the class. When that happens, teachers will usually give a recommendation that the student may not be ready for an honors course.

    Nine PAC-12 teams still managed to win 4+ conference games this year. Only three teams didn't appear to belong.

  • SoUtBoy25 Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    Ute fans know BYU is Utah's bowl game. Kyle is a great MWC coach. Give him some time and he can scheme with the best of them. However, week in and week out, his hyper competitive coaching wears on his assistants and players.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 12:13 a.m.

    @ Chris B.

    Utah traded SOS for a bowl game. Good trade. (Smiling...)

  • football43 Morgan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    Regis... It's called "winning the battle, but losing the war".

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    I love USU's winning trend.

    Six years ago many believed that the Aggies football program couldn't be turned around. When Coach A left many believed that the Aggies football program would again become mediocre. When Chucky Keeton was injured the doubters thought USU would have a losing season.

    USU football program is here to stay and winning is what Aggies have come to expect. Coach Wells should be MWC coach of the year. Even with major injuries the Aggies continue to play well. I love my Aggies!

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Dec. 2, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    "Utah played USU and beat them. Utah played BYU and beat them. And neither BYU nor USU would have fared any better than 5-7 against the schedule Utah played. So, despite a disappointing season, the Utes at least proved they are the best team in the state of Utah."

    The Utes at least proved they WERE the best team in the state of Utah, AT THAT TIME, and the rankings, at that time, showed that. These are week 14 (current) rankings.

    No worries, it is okay to live in the past!

  • regis Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    Utah played USU and beat them. Utah played BYU and beat them. And neither BYU nor USU would have fared any better than 5-7 against the schedule Utah played. So, despite a disappointing season, the Utes at least proved they are the best team in the state of Utah.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 9:02 p.m.

    Anyone who thinks that rankings truly take into account strength of schedule don't understand football. Those who think that must believe that Northern Illinois is truly a better team than LSU, Oklahoma, UCLA, Wisconsin, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Texas, among others. And no one thinks that Oregon, Clemson, ASU are only slightly better than Northern Illinois, which would be the conclusion just by looking at rankings.

    If northern Illinois played any one of those teams, I highly doubt they would be favored. Sooner or later, sure you have to put them in the rankings, but I don't think anyone really thinks they are one of the best 14 teams in the nation.

    Having the hardest schedule in the entire nation is a near impossible task. I wonder what the typical record is for teams who have the hardest record in the nation?

    Even Alabama would have lost a couple most likely with out schedule.

    No, I've said nothing of moral victories.

    It just means with beating Stanford and hanging until the final second against ranked ASU, ranked UCLA, ranked OSU, means that Utah fans don't need to worry about our future. Its rosy.

    Go Utes!

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 8:27 p.m.

    The experts have spoken. Mark it down, accept it and move on.