Gone under: "They just ruined their RPI and SOS by playing Utah. They will
not get any respect from the voters. This meager 2 point at home win will
probably cost them votes."Just like it did last year, right?
Wait... no, they were the team that lost to the Utes last year and still made
the tournament. Same with Cal and Oregon.
Two fer,Down under was probably just just mimicking the ute fans. I
feel bad for BSU. They just ruined their RPI and SOS by playing Utah. They
will not get any respect from the voters. This meager 2 point at home win will
probably cost them votes. BYU may replace them in the polls with their solid
win and strong RPI and SOS.
Spokane Ute,You may be missing the fact that by the time the last 4 f 7
road games come it will be too late. The testing should be done BEFORE they
play conference games. I think you may have missed that important concept.Perspective, Nice try. Please check the BYU schedule more
closely. In case you missed it they play 4 ranked teams and many other high
caliber teams prior to the conference schedule. The national experts rank their
schedule as 6th toughest in the country. Please try to keep up. Maybe they
should have consulted you first before putting out their hard facts. Their bad.
@ Down underI think you're confusing us with BYU fans. Overall
I thoughts the refs called a pretty good game. Utah lost the game because they
didn't hit free throws. Nobody to blame but themselves@ Real
BassNobody is bragging about Utah's record. Also Utah just
played a road game, in a tough environment, against a tournament team. Thanks
for your concern about Utah being prepared for PAC-12 play though.
This schedule is an embarrassment! Don't go bragging about your record
when you play nobody and never leave home. You aren't preparing your team
to play in the PAC and will fill your rightful place as doormat again!
Wee\ll ute fans. What say ye now? I know the refs cost them the game. Here
comes the whining. As i and so many have predicted, when the utes have to play
a div. I they will not b e prepared. BSU is not really that good and they best
the utsies. Let's start racking up the moral victories.
Free throws, free throws, free throws. Lost the game at the line. Good scoring in the second half with 42 points, but the first half shooting
was certainly lacking.
Not surprising that the Utes lose the first time they play a decent team.That high-powered offense that Utah fans were boasting about after
Evergreen St and UC Davis has certainly taken a nose dive since then.Utah seems improved, but that may just be the lack of competition.
Free throws! Ugh! Good game by both teams.
A team that returns all its starters from an at large tournament team the year
before isn't a good team, but a team coming off an NIT season receiving no
top 25 votes is "REALLY GOOD!" Comic gold!
Haha! I thought Utah was an "awful" team, according to you, Duckhunter.
How would BYU's recent record against them prove anything about their clout
nationally? Look, I already said BYU is good, but no, at this point they're
not "really good." "Really good" teams have more than zero votes
in the polls. I never said BYU was untalented, they just haven't shown
consistency. If they show they can be consistent and are consistently respected
nationally throughout the year, I'll consider them really good. You can
believe they are all you want, but you saying so isn't going to convince me
or the coaches and media that don't vote for them to be ranked. The jealous
part made me laugh the hardest, though. I'm not jealous of Kentucky or
Duke, why would I be jealous of a team like BYU?
myperspective,"So, Duck here's a look at byu's
preseason schedule: Mount St. Mary's, Colorado Mesa, North Texas, Prarie
View. Are you proud of those contests? "Did this kid really just
say that? Wow!
Oh and stg, boise, much like utah, has played no one yet. You need to hold off
on giving them to much in the way of kudo's until they actually play a
decent team. No utah does not qualify as a decent team at this point so what
happens tonight tells us very little. I personally think utah is
improved, but that really isn't saying much. We'll see how the season
@pocyYea they might get a CBI invite but if utah "fans" are
in the least bit consistent they will be highly critical of them for scheduling
true doormats and patsies to get themselves there. I don't expect to see
that consistency from utah "fans".@stgI'm
not full of "my" BYU team nor do I consider them to be mine. I am a fan
of them, no more, no less. But they are undoubtedly a very good team as the
results so far this season attest. I understand you are jealous but your
jealousy and my fandom have no effect on outcomes or realities. BYU is loaded
with talent, top recruits and top players. They were a 25 win team last year
that made it to the NIT final 4. They have been to the NCAA almost every year
for the last decade. And lest we forget they own utah, 7 in a row and 11 of 12
plus the overall advantage all time. I don't know what to tell you other
Dumb play by Onwas, you gotta know you can't swing the ball high,
especially against a team known for drawing and selling contact like Boise is.
But there was obviously no intent or winging his elbow out to go for the head,
the ejection is a little puzzling. Tucker's a better off-ball defender, but
can't create his own shot as well as Onwas can, so they'll miss that
in the second half.Both teams are showing some nerves so far,
missing a lot of open shots for teams that normally shoot very well from the
perimeter, although Boise started to get better towards the end of the half.
Hopefully the Utes settle down a little and start knocking down some shots.
The flagrant 2 was a horrible call. Too bad to lose Princeton in a game like
Duckhunter, you are awfully full of your BYU team. They are good, but
they're not the "1 really good team in the entire preseason," at
least not according to any real experts in the sport. Boise is better according
to all credible sources. They have voters' respect, are the highest-scoring
team in Division I, and return a lot of starters from an NCAA at large team last
season. BYU gets kudos for scheduling a tough non-conference and playing pretty
well against them, but an unranked (with zero top 25 votes) NIT team who played
inconsistently in a mediocre conference the season before is not a solid tourney
DuckOf course it plays into it, but to say it won't help them
get into the post season is off. If you are correct in Utah getting 5-6 Pac 12
wins (I think it will be more than that as this team is much better than last
years team) that puts them at at least a .500 team. A .500 Pac 12 team will get
a probably get a CBI, and if they pull off 7-8 wins, likely an NIT bid.
@noperspectiveBy the way BYU will be playing their third ranked team
in UMass coming up. Other than BYU who that is considered a probable NCAA
tournament team is utah playing this month?@pocySorry
but SOS pre season will factor into utah's hopes of post season play at
minimum an equal amount as conference play. Unfortunately utah will get zero
credit for their OOC SOS as they play only one good team. They get no credit at
all for 10 wins against teams ranked in the 200's and 300's, and the
5-6 conference wins they might get are not going to get them into anything.
Duckhunter"I will tell you this, I really enjoy how unhinged I
have made you on these boards, how every post you make towards me is
"frantic and emotional" not to mention defensive. LOL!"If what you say is true, why have you chosen to not answer my question. In
fact, this is the 2nd article this week (and it's only Tuesday) where you
have walked away with your tail between your legs. You will recall that I
previously asked you to us all what you think of your cougs utter failure to
earn a spot in a BCS game (the BCS era is now over). Just as you did above, you
walked away from the question and never came back. I'm going
to ask you again, Duck...are your cougs adequately challenged by the contests in
their conference? Do you enjoy watching your cougs battle for supremacy in
gymnasiums? This time, grow a spine, stand tall, and answer the
question. Don't tell us what Holmoe wants you to say, tell us what think
about byu's formidable conference schedule.
Expect byu fans to go into hiding in a few hours after Utah gets as good of a
win as they have all season after bragging about how feet their schedule is
SpokaneYou are correct. Everyone who has responded to you is only
looking to stir up trouble.'91While I agree with you, the
NIT and CBI are stepping stones. This team is young, and needs experience, and
considering the dumpster fire that the program was when coach K got here, I
think he's making some serious progress. I do think this team
has the potential to surprise a lot of teams, but as Spokane says, it's the
conference play that will determine the post season, certainly not the OOC
@ TalkinsportsI didn't know the selection comitee was meeting
tonight? When did they change the process to use SOS based as of December 3? You
must have some keen in-sight that the rest of us aren't privy to.
Spokane UteOf the six teams you cited as examples - Notre Dame,
Georgia, Nebraska, Cincinnati, Utah and Louisville - only two, Notre Dame and
Louisville, are currently projected by Jerry Palm to make the tournament.In other words, using your sample, a team with a current SOS of 300+,
only has a 1 in 3 chance of making the tournament, with Utah being one of the
teams projected to be on the outside looking in come Selection Sunday.It's still early, but if you're a fan of a program that hasn't
won an NCAA tournament game in almost a decade, it's not looking good.
The second thing is to try to get the team to gain a winning mindset. I
understand this, winning breeds confidence regardless of who you beat, it is a
big deal to have the mental edge of a winner. Now this is what he hopes occurs
but unfortunately it takes more than just beating patsies to gain real
confidence, you have to beat some actual good teams along the way as well and
utah is playing exactly 1 really good team in the entire preseason, BYU.Just because the conference schedule might be tough it doesn't make
it enough. utah "fans" have been telling us all football season that
only playing half of your schedule against good teams is "pathetic",
"pansy", "lightweight", etc so please tell us why that is not
the case when it is utah's basketball schedule. You can
hypocritically try to defend their schedule all you want but no one, and I mean
no one, buys it other than other sycophantic utah "fans". And no their
conference schedule will not prepare them for post season play as they will not
be participating in any post season play.
@spokaneuteWe get what you are saying, we just don't buy it.
utah is playing almost the worst pre season schedule in the entire country, it
is just plain awful, abysmal, frankly laughable. I understand why they are doing
it, there are multiple reasons.The first is because they have been
awful and they are scheduling games against even worse teams so they can get
some wins. krystkowiak does not want to continue to have his lifetime record
spiral into oblivion so he is scheduling himself some "wins" so that
when his record is looked at people will be impressed with it. Most aren't
going to go back and check every opponent he ever coached against, he is
thinking of his legacy no doubt. It is the same for the school and the team,
they don't want to continue to add more losses than wins to their overall
lifetime record.It is actually in large part a selfish thing for him
and the school.
pocyUteThe NIT and CBI are what teams settle for when they
don't achieve their primary goal of playing in the Big Dance. It's
embarrassing that a once proud program like Utah would set a goal of playing in
anything less than the NCAA tournament.It's no wonder that the
Huntsman Center has become a vast sea of empty red chairs. Who wants to watch a
team who's basically thrown in the towel on playing in the NCAA tournament
before the first game of the season is played.
Perspective,Who said I was a BYU fan. I just happen to live in the middle
of PAC Country in case you didn't notice. I just have a dislike for the
arrogant Utah fans who can't see through their crimson colored glasses. I
just think that the utes are a low level team in an average conference that beat
up each other and call themselves a conference of champions. Well at least most
of the teams beat up on each other. Some teams just get beat up on. We
won't mention names here but they reside at the bottom of the conference in
both major sports programs.
@noperspectiveI will tell you this, I really enjoy how unhinged I
have made you on these boards, how every post you make towards me is
"frantic and emotional" not to mention defensive. LOL!By the
way, every single game a team plays in pre-season doesn't have to be
against a top 25 team to make their preseason schedule one of the toughest in
the nation, all it has to have is more tough teams on it than most everyone
elses. You see no one schedules nothing but top 25 teams, but teams that
actually want to see what quality of team they are schedule enough good teams,
at home and on the road, to find out. They schedule enough road games to make
that challenging, and enough high quality teams to make that challenging.That is what BYU has done, BYU's current SOS is #6, yes that is
right #6, utah's is currently #348 out of 351. But of course I
understand utah "fan" "logic". utah's football team's
SOS was legit because the voters said so but BYU's basketball teams is not
because utah "fans" like noperspective say so. LOL!
@PocyUteThanks for trying to help our friends from down south
comprehend. I think an arguement, vs a rational conversation, is more their goal
though. Like I said, sure I would like to see the Utes play a few more tough
road games early. However, they will be tested often and late in the PAC 12
conference and conference tournament. Conference play will determine the Utes
post season, certainly not games played in November & December. A win at BSU
tonight would be great! Have a good one, take care and Rock On Guy!GO UTES!
Lots of delusional Utes out there.Current RPI#9 BYU - 2
wins 26-50; 1 win 51-100 #160 Utah - 0 wins 1-150Utah fans are
only fooling themselves if they think they'll even get a sniff from the
selection committee with a #160 RPI.Beating Evergreen State may pad
the win total, but it's meaningless as far as the NCAA tournament is
MyPerspective 1Duck (back from Tulsa) 0
PacmanYou and Scott obviously have the same problem, you don't
actually read or comprehend what Spokane Ute is saying.Spokane
didn't say that Utah would make the NCAA, he said it would prepare them for
the post season, which would also include the NIT and CBI either of which could
be attainable goals with this team.
The new theme is "Home for the Holidays." No bowl game, and no away
games. A nice holiday at home.
@PAC MANAll of the following schools have schedules ranked 300 or
higher: Notre Dame, Georgia, Nebraska, Cincinatti, Utah and Louisville. So none
of them have a chance for post season either? What a un-educated, yet typical
comment. Swing and a miss. Utah's 5 games into the season; it's a long
way to March.
DuckhunterWelcome back Duck. You disappear so easily. "In fact BYU has one of the hardest pre season schedules in the
country." Of course it is, Duck. Everything byu is the
toughest, biggest, mostest, bestest, in the whole wide universe.
And...that's exactly what you people said before football season started
and look what it turned into. So, Duck here's a look at
byu's preseason schedule: Mount St. Mary's, Colorado Mesa, North
Texas, Prarie View. Are you proud of those contests? The others aren't
bad...even respectable and some very good. Which is exactly why I said
"apart from a couple of obvious good teams..." Try reading first, then
respond.Now, byu's rock'n conference schedule consists
of...wait for it...Pacific, Portland, Santa Clara, Pepperdine, and the admirable
list goes on. So...are you proud of those contests, too? Are your cougs
adequately challenged by those contests? Do you enjoy watching your cougs
battle for supremacy in gymnasiums? Tell this board how you feel
about your cougs, Duck.
Spokane Ute"Conference play will prepare them for the conference
tournament, which will prepare them for post season."What post
season? With the weakest OOC in the country, the Utes don't stand a chance
of getting an at large bid to the NCAA, so that basically means the Utes will
have to beat Arizona to win the PAC's auto-bid to the Big Dance, like
that's ever going to happen.
ScottIf you actually read Spokane Ute's post you would realize
he didn't once use "prepare" in his post. He simply stated that
the conference schedule that Utah faces this year will test the Utes. He is
absolutely correct in this statement as the pac-12 is the 3rd rated conference.
Hopefully, it will prepare Utah for post season play this year. And yes, that
was a "prepare" reference.
Are the utes finally going to play against a real college team. They got a
great warmup with savannah state and those pesky grand canyon antelopes. sad
schedule thus far. I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get 6 wins
I think this game will be the first time we really have any gauge for where the
Utes are this season. I understand the philosophy behind this strategy and hope
it works the way they want but I'm a bit skeptical on how prepared
they'll be when they have to go up against Ore. in Jan.
"Is this game on TV?" -- Big Sky FanMountain West Conference games
are on CBS Sports Network.
Drmic is a junior, btw
@Big Sky FanIt's on CBS Sports network.
ScottI don't recal saying it would or wouldn't prepare
them for anything. Conference play will prepare them for the conference
tournament, which will prepare them for post season. As a Gonzaga fan, I have
watched the Zags play a brutal non-conference schedule. Play a weak conference
schedule and a weak conference tournament. Then get dumped in the 2nd round of
the NCAA. Utah will be tested later, rather than sooner. March is when it
counts. As far as how they do in conference play, let's wait and see. I
hope that helps.
CBSSN at 8:00PM
@noperspective"byu's preconference lineup (basketball) is
nothing to write home about, either."Uh.....did you even bother
to look at it or did you think just saying something was your best course of
action? BYU has already played 2 top 25 teams and several other good
teams. They play several more cmoing up. In fact BYU has one of the hardest pre
season schedules in the country. BYU only plays 2 home games during the month of
December, all the rest are on the road.Nice post. LOL!
Is this game on TV? Anybody know? Please enlighten. Thanks
Re: My Perspective's response to Gone fishin, "...byu's
preconference lineup (basketball) is nothing to write home about,
either."Gone fishin didn't mention BYU. Criticism does not
make you a Cougar.
Gone fishinYou should expend your energy worrying about the stellar
line up Holmoe put in place for football program next year. Oh, and then
there's the stellar line up byu basketball faces once conference play
begins. That is one sorry story, right there. In fact, apart from a couple of
obvious good teams, byu's preconference lineup (basketball) is nothing to
write home about, either. It isn't like your talking points
haven't already been fully debated on these boards. It's fun watching
you watch the Utes. To the point of the article...I give our Utes a
good chance of pulling off the upset. Coach K and the assistant coaches know
what they are doing and will have a good game plan in place. Can't wait
for the tip off.
Spokane UteJust what exactly will playing 4 of Utah's last 7
games on the road prepare the Utes for?As much as you may like to
pretend otherwise, playing only one road game and the weakest OOC schedule in
the entire country certainly isn't going to prepare the Utes for the rigors
of conference play starting in January.
@Gone FishinI appreciate your concern, as always, but with 4 of the
last 7 games on the road: including #2 Arizona, and #18 UCLA; they will be
tested just fine. Would I like to see a few more tough, non-conference road
games? Of course. Will Utah be thoroughly tested during conference play? Of
"With just one road game, the Utes play fewer road games than any team in
the Pac-12 Conference, and it marks the first time in 40 years the Utes have had
as few as one non-league road game".Now that is just the ticket
for developing a road tested team. What does this say about the direction of
the program? Cowardly scheduling is the way I see it although the utes fans
will not be able to see anything wrong with this type of scheduling of coaching.
Good luck to the Utes.
Let's go Utes. Get this win on the road and keep the train rolling.
Good test for the Utes. Boise State is undefeated, but they haven't played
anyone noteworthy either. GO UTES>--->
Sorry utes - the Broncos are too good for you. Drmic is the world's
biggest flopper, but he is good.
I think the Utes get a reality check slap in the face this time. The level of
competition goes up significantly over who they have played so far. If they can
beat BSU, Utah is farther along than I thought and I will give credit where it
I expect the start of this game to be very intense. Boise is no doubt out for
blood after the Utes blew them out from the opening tip last year. If it stays
close after the first 7 minutes, I expect a very exciting game the rest of the