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Dick Harmon: USC taps BYU experience for football hire, again

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  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:05 p.m.

    CSD:
    That must be because the DNews Sports page is your only window to the outside world.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Dec. 6, 2013 7:14 a.m.

    Well, BYUAlum, Mike Holmgren (though not a player at BYU), Brian Billick and Tom Holmoe immediately come to mind.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 4, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    John, I was pointing out your supporting comment was spectacularly incorrect.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 4, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    "The argument 'My school has more NFL players/coaches in it' sounds like when children say 'Oh yeah, well my dad would win an arm wrestling match with your dad.'"

    CSD:

    Perhaps if you'd read the erroneous comment I was responding to, you'd know it was a y "fan" who was attempting to make the argument you decry. I was simply pointing out his supporting facts were spectacularly incorrect.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 3, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    "Even casual NFL fans know that Mike McCoy, the San Diego Charger head coach, was Utah's QB in 1994..."

    I'm a casual NFL fan and I didn't know that Mike McCoy was Utah's QB. I don't care that Mike McCoy was Utah's QB. I don't care that Sark was BYU's QB. Casual pro fans just watch the pros, they don't spend all their hours researching coaches college pedigree (BYU, Utah, or any other college) because WHO CARES? All because a program is able to have someone play in or coach for a professional team automatically makes that institution better than another. The argument "My school has more NFL players/coaches in it" sounds like when children say "Oh yeah, well my dad would win an arm wrestling match with your dad."

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Dec. 3, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    Maybe Orgeron will be invited to be the coach at UW? Bummer he got shafted at USC but I hope he'll land somewhere where he's needed, loved, and respected! Life in college sports can be so cutthroat and cruel sometimes. It's all about money and glory, never a concern about people's feelings. Here's hoping Sark will fare better at USC. He's a quality young man and ain't too bad of a coach either! His success will depend on the staff that surrounds him and how well they recruit. That, at any college, is the key to success in winning games which is the ultimate goal!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 3, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    I find a lot of the articles in the D-News stretch the local connection. That goes for U. alums as much as Y. alums. What I don't get is the huge number of U. fans that have to jump in on every story about BYU. I thought you people had "moved on". If you're so bothered about pro BYU articles, go read the Trib. Seriously.

    And casual NFL fans don't know squat about Mike McCoy and Utah beating BYU. Really?

    Back on topic, Sarkisian was quarterback for BYU's best ever season. That's the only year BYU has played on a New Year's Day bowl (pre-BCS) and beat a top twenty team (#14) with a decent record.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    I think Sarkisian will do a fine job at USC and turning Washington around was impressive. But I must admit I am a bit confused why USC didn't give Orgeron a chance at a few whole seasons. It seems like he earned it. Good luck to Sarkisian in his new job and to Orgeron as well. They both deserve the chance at a better job than their previous job.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    "Mister J You really need to take off your Monicle! . . . I know that the u has zero influence in coaching in the NFL and really no one wants them . . . many with BYU ties and nothing with u ties."

    defib:

    YOU need to find glasses, because NFL fans know that Mike McCoy, the San Diego Chargers current head coach, was the Ute's QB in 1994. I don't blame you, a y "fan", for not WANTING to know that, since it was the second "34-31" game and Utah finished with a Top Ten ranking.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    "the u has zero influence in coaching in the NFL . . . many with BYU ties and nothing with u ties"

    defib:

    Even casual NFL fans know that Mike McCoy, the San Diego Charger head coach, was Utah's QB in 1994, when the Utes beat BYU in the second 34-31 game and finished ranked 10th.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    Mister J
    You really need to take off your Monicle! Did I say anything about BYU players in the NFL? I know that the u has zero influence in coaching in the NFL and really no one wants them, but if u look at the coaching and upper management, u will see many, many with BYU ties and nothing with u ties.

    Your knowledge and and view of things really makes people shake their heads about u fans. u just really don't get it and neither do the rest of the u fan base. Keep skimming over things just like your teams and you will never get "deep" into anything.

  • Sandpiper Air Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    Sark will have better success at SC than he did at UW because he will be able to get better talent at SC.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Correction - Johnny Triumph

    "Amusing that the ESPN story mentions his JuCo experience but nothing about BYU."

    Trust a jealous Utah fan to find "humor" in something so benign as a reporter choosing to highlight Sarkisian's connections to Southern California.

    "Sarkisian, a native of Torrance, Calif., who played at El Camino Junior College, was an assistant at USC for seven seasons (2001 to 2003 and 2005 to 2008). He also played baseball at USC before transferring."

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Johnny Triumph

    "Anyone who thinks that rankings truly take into account strength of schedule don't understand football."

    Trust a jealous Utah fan to find "humor" in something so benign as a reporter choosing to highlight Sarkisian's connections to Southern California.

    "Sarkisian, a native of Torrance, Calif., who played at El Camino Junior College, was an assistant at USC for seven seasons (2001 to 2003 and 2005 to 2008). He also played baseball at USC before transferring."

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 3, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    These types of stories and headlines drive Ute fans nuts!!In just know they do and I haven't even read the comments yet:-) They'll bash, spin, trivialize Sark. The little bro syndrome is alive and well!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    Amusing that the ESPN story mentions his JuCo experience but nothing about BYU.

  • USC Fan in Utah Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    USC fans are not sold on this hire.The consensus is that coach O earned at least a 1 or 2 year contract.We are frustrated that Pat Haden did not go after a big name coach. Time will tell.Ogeron is a great recruiter and it is too bad he didn't stick around. He claims to be a Trojan for life, guess not.As far as the UW job, Mora from UCLA is a finalist for that job.USC still has a rough season next year until the sanctions are released. As far as Cletus is concerned, I assume that you are a UTE fan. You are saying that a Utah team that is not even going to a bowl game this year, and has not beaten USC since joining the conference is going to own USC now? Oh brother...

    USC will get through this, and we don't turn to BYU for help. Ha Ha. Fight On!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    @BYUalum

    Interesting that when they want a mess cleaned up, they turn to value-driven players from BYU.

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    Like forcing a player who suffered a concussion to stand in the equipment shed and then refusing to apologize to the player. Is that value driven coaching from BYU? But to be fair Leach didn't play at BYU.

    Also, it was Ron McBride that cleaned up the mess at Utah then Urban Meyer put it on the national map.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    Oh brother, here we go again WISHING stuff. There is no way we can bring back Lavell Edward nor they could bring back Bobby Bowden and name a few. Bronco is a good guy and best fit as a Defense coach. Their has been no talk about Kyle Whit at the u. So, move on and good Luck Steve Sark at sc. Hope Steve doesn't get the shaft in few years and watch out with those boosters at LA (well, everywhere).

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Everone wants to be like the byu.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    @u25
    What you say about Sark and Washington is also true about Utah. Utah has had an influx of talent the past 2-3 years and have done worse. Utah's current recruiting class is now at around 2.3 stars according to scout.com and seems to be dropping as more 2 star recruits are committed. Washington had a losing culture for years and under Sark, has improved in both wins and recruiting the last several years. Utah, on the other hand is getting worse in wins and, it appears the recruiting is declining also. Utah is headed in the opposite direction as UW. Reality is that 2014 is likely to be another bowl-less year for the Utes and will likely be the last for KW. And I really like Kyle.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    @u25

    Spot On!

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    This is great news to Utah. USC will always be tough with their talent level but they hired a coach comparable to Kiffen. Sark under acheived so bad at washington. He brought in great talent but was never able to put it together. Only winning 7 games every year. The natives were getting restless in seattle and his seat was going to be hot going into next seaon.

  • yclops Highland, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Dick, you forgot about Keith Uperesa. Played at BYU in the '70s, worked as a grad asst. at BYU in the '80s, then was hired by USC as the o-line coach for 2001-02.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    Lots of insecure Y haters commenting on this. It is what it is. All of those mentioned in this article DO have a BYU connection. There are seven examples, some of which are the same people hired multiple times. This article doesn't say they were hired at USC because of the BYU connections, just that there is one. Why do the Yners feel threatened by the truth.

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    Harmon: Hey everybody!! byu byu byu byu byu byu byu byu byu!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 3, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    USC will regret it; just like hiring Kiffin. Sark was fair at best, at UW. The numbers speak for them self.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Coach O, I hear there is a head coach opening at Washington.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Dec. 3, 2013 7:24 a.m.

    Sarkesian is from byu and we win byu all the time and now sarkesian is at usc and that means we will win usc all the time now.

    Go write it down!

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    Dec. 3, 2013 6:51 a.m.

    Sark was never an option for HC at BYU because he isn't LDS, which is a requirement of the job. BYU can and does hire non-LDS assistant coaches but the head coach must be LDS.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    Carson
    Provo, UT

    Trust Dick to come up with something to shake those BYU pom poms.

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    Steve Sarkisian's Resume:

    2 years in Provo
    3 years in Saskatewan (CFL)
    1 year at El Camino College
    4 years at USC
    1 year in Oakland (NFL)
    3 years at USC
    4 years at Washington

    Sark is as much a Cougar as Kyle Whittingham so it makes since when Dick says:

    "But most of all, Sarkisian brings to USC, a treasure trove of offensive experience and knowledge, a great chunk of which he gained in Provo from Norm Chow, Lance Reynolds and LaVell Edwards."

    I am willing to bet USC fans where he spent 7 years disagree.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    Trust Harmon to fluff up the skinny connections to BYU. He takes 3 guys (one who's a Ute) and PRESTO, 7 times has SC turned to BYU for help!!

    Oh, puleese!!!

  • oldtimeftballer Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    cmon Harmon. I thought you were better than that. And I live in Provo.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    As a BYU fan, this article is a joke. I'm sure USC says, lets hire guys with connections to BYU. Let's get real. They hire talent, and if that talent has connections to USC, they will hire it faster. Such as a former assistant coach who is doing well as a head coach...oh and he happened to be a QB at BYU

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    LaVell was the greatest. His mark on college football continues to grow 13 years after retirement. He must have gone to a really good college himself.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    re: defibman

    "BYU's footprint's are all over the NCAA and NFL. This will payoff in the near future."

    What footprints in the Nfl? The Miami/Carolina game had more Utes that game than there a byu players in the entire league

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    Because Sark lit it up in Jet City? Oh, wait. That's Pete Carroll

    Orgeron got shafted.

    I wonder if Sark will get part of his staff from Provo. ROFL!

  • Shaden Lincoln, NE
    Dec. 2, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    I'm sure that the Huskies will want to make Whittingham their next coach. He coaches the best team in the best conference. Mark it down!

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 5:51 p.m.

    Well, there goes the uties chance for an appearance at the Rose bowl for the foreseeable future!

    BYU's footprint's are all over the NCAA and NFL. This will payoff in the near future.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    Congratulations, Steve! Former BYU players make really great coaches. Those who come to mind are Steve S., Andy Reid in the pros, the coach at Washington State, and the coach at Utah, Kyle Whittingham. Does anyone know of other college coaches who originated at BYU?

    Interesting that when they want a mess cleaned up, they turn to value-driven players from BYU.

    Go Cougars!!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 5:38 p.m.

    Congrats Sark! Great hire by the Trojans, but too bad for Washington...it may be a while before they can bring in a coach of Sark's caliber.

  • Stop The Nonsense El Paso, TX
    Dec. 2, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    Well, there goes BYU's chance of reaching the next level. Bronco is a great guy, don't get me wrong, but I don't think we'll ever reach the great/elite level with him at the helm. Sark was probably the only option out there that would have been an upgrade (since Anderson just signed at Wisconsin).

    Good luck at USC, Sark.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Dec. 2, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    Makes sense to turn to BYU for football expertise.
    I wonder why they did not look at Whit? Hmmm...

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Dec. 2, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    Ah, the good ole days. Man do I ever miss Lavell! It has never been the same since he retired.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Dec. 2, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    come on dr hill...fire kyle and hire orgeron...he is a stud...11 years at USC and got snubbed...

    he turned an amazingly bad situation into a very good one...he went 6-2 after the kiffin disaster...

    please...kyle just aint got it for a big time conference...

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    Trust Dick to come up with something to shake those BYU pom poms.