@myperspective...This thread is great entertainment...Particularly
if you like comedy...You said: "USC cares plenty about Utah
every time they have to play them. What you really should be asking is if Sark
cares about byu. Based on his comments the last he was at byu with his Huskies,
I have to say...no."The only time that Washington played BYU in
Sark's tenure was in 2010 (the season opener and it was in Provo on the
bottom half of a "Home and Home"... the Huskies lost)... And here is a
sentence from what Sarkesian said to the press on his way back to Seattle
following the game... "I'm proud of the effort that we
played with in this ball game. When I look at the game that we went on the road
against a perennial top-25 opponent in a tough environment..."He
goes on to talk about their mistakes and how they should be possibly trying to
schedule lesser opponents in Preseason in the future...Nowhere, in
any article did he disparage his or his teams experience in playing the
Cougars.Perhaps a little homework would help you my friend...
particularly when it comes to accuracy.
@two4flinchingI'm sorry, I am still laughing... Did you
actually read your comment before posting it??? I know you meant it as a zinger
against the DN and BYU fans but I am pretty sure that you can do better.Let me ask you a couple of questions... Do you know where KW played
college ball? I can tell you where Bronco played college ball... And I can tell
you where Lavell Edwards played college ball... Furthermore, the DN
is a paper that caters to Utah athletics (including BYU)... They don't
cater to Southern California Readers or USC fans... Do you think that it is a
point of interest to fans of BYU that their former QB is now the Head Coach of
possibly the most storied collegiate Football Programs west of the Rocky
Mountains? An amazing comment to say the least.
poyman"Utah has never beaten the Huskies and are something like
0-5 lifetime against Washington..."Actually 0-8 (0-2 under
Whittingham)Chris Peterson confirmed as Washington's new head
coach today. It's possible that BYU could be facing the same head coach,
coaching two different teams, in the same season.
Actually Spokane ute, you're not being brutally honest about Sark,
you're being simply wrong... I love both BYU and Washington and
Sark resurrected an all but dead football program... He took over in Seattle in
2009 after the team had gone 0-12 the previous year and went 5-7... He's
qualified 3 straight years for a bowl game and his team has been ranked on
numerous occasions over the past 3 years... He has also routinely
beat the Trojans (even when they were very good and ranked in the top 5 in the
country)... Utah has never beaten the Huskies and are something like 0-5
lifetime against Washington... The USC Athletic Department are well acquainted
with Sark as he coached there for about 3 years as both QB coach under Norm Chow
and OC under Carroll... I think that his credentials are far better than KWs
(two coaches definitely going in opposite directions)...I am
guessing the Sarks move to USC probably comes with about a 50% salary
increase... I suspect he will be making around $4 Million next year.And I would wager that Peterson from Boise State will be the new Husky Head
"So awesome to see byu fans interested in a coaching shuffle in our
conference. Hey, Des News...why is this story on the byu
board?"Hypothetically, if Texas fired Mack Brown and hired Brian
Johnson as their new head coach, do you think it will appear on the Utah sports
pages on the Deseret News?
@ UteanymousSark being hired by USC has far more to do with with the
PAC-12 than it does with BYU. And I'm willing to bet most USC fans
don't know, or even care, where Sark played college ball. It's cool
how you think you can speak for one of the largest fan bases in college
Every time there is any article that has "BYU" or "Mormon" in
it, the sale of blood pressure meds go thru the roof. Some people just
can't stand it when someone they hate is successful.
Local sports radio personalities here in Seattle are hoping against hope that
Mora leaves UCLA to take the UW job. I think it's a stretch, but he has
very deep ties to the school and the community. We'll have to wait and
see. Also funny to see some Ute fans' dog-in-the-manger
attitude about Cougar fans commenting on their recently-beloved conference. For
a huge percentage of--and perhaps the majority of--BYU grads and fans who are
not from Utah, we also root for local teams where we live or grew up, and many
of us have been PAC-affiliated since before many of you were in diapers. "LOL."
"I'm wondering if he keeps Coach O. If he doesn't he may have a
difficult time winning the team over. Coach O has been successful and popular
among his players. I was surprised he didn't get the job."Coach O re-signed as soon as this news broke. I do not blame him however,
it's tough to blame SC for not hiring him given his recent head coaching
At myperspectiveI don't know who Washington is targeting, but
Gary Pinkel (Missouri) and Jim Mora (UCLA) would both be great. They have
Washington ties, but I don't know if UW could lure them away.I
have no idea why what article is on what page. Sark was a BYU QB though; of
Why does every story on the sports pages turn into a Utah vs BYU rant? Congrats
to Sark and good luck.
Gotta love it! Kiffen was a confusing hire out here in Tennessee. To us, he was
even more confusing for USC. Some folks are hired to help clean up things and
because of trust establish over time with certain ties.Urban Mires
made this BYU alum a Utes fan, Whit isn't helping much, but I still root
for them in the Pac 12. Never against the Cougars, of course.
I hope Washington grabs Gary Andersen if he can break his contract at Wisconsin.
But, they might get Coach O. He resigned at USC today after the news.
Chris B,When you say that BYU hasn't had a great season in 20
years you obviously have let your zeal for hating on all things BYU again clouds
your capacity to correctly state the facts. One particular season comes to mind
that quite definitely falls within your 20 year timeframe. 1996, led by Sark
himself, BYU had season that not even your Utes have ever accomplished. BYU
won 14 games. The first college football team to have ever done so. It's
only loss? Ironically, they lost to Washington at Washington. BYU went onto
beat Kansas St. In the Cotton Bowl.
noperspective"So awesome to see BYU fans interested in a
coaching shuffle in our conference."Try reading the headline:"Former BYU quarterback Steve Sarkisian hired to be next head coach
at USC"Most USC fans are acutely aware of Sark's connection
to BYU; most of them still have a hard time remembering that Utah was invited to
be their whipping boy.
Uteology"what I don't understand is why Baylor and TCU are
in the Big 12"LOL at your pretended ignorance. You and I both
know that BYU's no Sunday play policy (along with BYU wanting to retain
rebroadcast rights to BYU sports) are the only reasons BYU isn't in the Big
12. The excellence of BYU's athletic programs, which are far superior to
Utah's, has never been an issue for either the PAC 12 or Big 12.
Congratulations to the new sc coach...That being said...This is a classic example of why recruits/players should have the same
flexibility as coaches. If an HC leaves...hanging recruits and
current players out to dry...looking for a new opportunity without any
punishment/sanctions...etc...etc....Why not give players the same
opportunity without any loss of eligibility/punishment?The old
excuse about maintaining competitive balance is nothing more than an old excuse.
MP"What you really should be asking is if Sark cares about byu. Based
on his comments the last he was at byu with his Huskies, I have to
say...no."Uh, Sark was on with all the other QB greats from BYU
during media days. He had nothing but praise and said there are still times he
misses that atmosphere. He was joking with all the other QBs and talking nothing
but praise for BYU and did joke about the fact that Washington can't seem
to beat the Cougars lately. Not sure what comments you're referring to, but
Sark is competitive and isn't going to back down from BYU or not be
aggressive with them when he plays them like anyone else.I can
understand the delay in posting causing you to repeat the question, my bad.
Still doesn't matter...this article is in the main sports section without
going to BYU or Utah so it just doesn't seem to be that big a deal.
MyPerspective:"It's looking like SC fans are not so excited about
this".That's certainly not an accurate portrayal. If you
look at the comment boards for the LA Times it's really a mixed bag. Some
SC fans are happy with the hire while others aren't. News flash:
that's usually how it is after any hire. I remember hearing all the
complaints from SC fans when they hired Carroll. My father in law is an SC fan
and he's thrilled with this hire but wasn't happy about the Carroll
hire...he obviously changed his tune. Sark is NOT Kiffin by a long shot...if you
think they're similar you don't watch much CFB. I remember Kiffin at
Tennessee coaching in SEC country and he was never welcome and could never
compete. And to those saying he's done nothing at U dub...try and remember
what Washington's record was before he came along. Can you say 0-12?
I'd say 8-4 from 0-12 increasing wins every year isn't too shabbie and
the talent he'll have at SC dwarfs that of UW.
Cougsndawgs "The article could just as easily have been on both the
Utah and BYU boards, but I have to ask...why do you care what board it's
on?"Well, it's very simple, Cougsndawgs...I have to go to
the byu page to find news on our conference. The reason it appears that
I've asked the same question is because it took the Des News monitors so
long to post my first question. Did you even think about that? I think
it's clear why I'm interested. USC cares plenty about
Utah every time they have to play them. What you really should be asking is if
Sark cares about byu. Based on his comments the last he was at byu with his
Huskies, I have to say...no.
MyPerspective:It's really not that difficult...Sark played football
at BYU and is now the head coach at USC. The article could just as easily have
been on both the Utah and BYU boards, but I have to ask...why do you care what
board it's on? USC doesn't care about Utah, and their new head coach
has absolutely no Ute ties, so it just seems silly that you've asked the
same question twice now, that no one else seems concerned about. Obvioulsy it
matters to you so maybe you can elaborate as to why.
Seriously? You want to know why the hiring of Sark is on a BYU page??? Wow.
Must not have anything to do with the fact that Sark was QB at BYU for 2 years
and led them to a top 10 finish. Other than than, no reason at all.
"Can you explain to me why this story, regarding our Pac-12, is on the byu
pages?"The answer's in the story's title. A little
reading goes a long ways.
Spokane Ute"Mypespective is right on the mark. USC will end up
regretting this; just like hiring Kiffin. A lot of fans tooting Sarks horn,
simply because he played at BYU. His record at Washington: 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6
and 8-4. Never, ever sniffed a Rose Bowl, but he's a great coach and a
great hire. Yeah, right! Just being brutally honest; someone has to be!"Thanks, Spokane Ute. To be fair, I think you need to delineate between
the fans you refer to as tooting Sarks horn. It's looking like SC fans are
not so excited about this. Also it will be interesting to watch who Washington
goes after. Rumors are that Mora at UCLA would take the job in a
heartbeat...he's a Washington alum. This could become the Pac-12 coaching
shuffle. Can you explain to me why this story, regarding our
Pac-12, is on the byu pages?
So awesome to see byu fans interested in a coaching shuffle in our conference.
Hey, Des News...why is this story on the byu board?
@eastcoastcoug:Yeah, the radio jock apologized all over himself about
"having to ask the question," but there has to be a better way of
answering (or non-answering) rather than with an outright lie, which is sure
what it sounded like. The trust of players is key to long-term
success, and from reports I've heard second and third hand from some of the
kids on the Husky squad, he's got a reputation of being pretty slippery
with them too. Hope that's wrong. I want to see USC return to prominence.
Hold on..., is this a new day dawning? No negative BYU comments from little
sister? Is that because a BYU Alum is about to take the reigns of the most
prestigious school in the PAC-10.2, and there's nothing witty to be said?
Afterall, how can you put down this BYU-Alum and still pump up the PAC in the
same comment without sounding crazy? It's gotta be closer to April Fools
Day than Christmas.With all this weirdness don't be surprised
if the temps reach 60 tomorrow instead of snowing!Happy Holidays to
one and all.
CordonBleuphantombladeWell, gentlemen, that just doesn't
appear to be the case, does it. Good to have so many byu fans weigh
in on the coaching shuffle in our conference. I'm sure it's exciting
for you.Good luck to Sark and the Trojans!Go Pac-12!
I've never cared much for USC. With Sark there, I could become a fan.
He's always been very respectful of the Cougs and his time at BYU, unlike
Whit who at times takes some real cheap shots at BYU.
Blue coug and phantom,Football and football only drives conference
changes and invitations. Byu hasn't had a great season in
almost 20 years.And no, being in the top 25 does not a great season
make, 25 teams do it every year. When was the last top 5 season for
byu?And there you have your answer on why no one wants byu.
With all the byu guys in the PAC 12, it's interesting that the conference
still has no interst in byu itself.
@phantombladeBlueCoug has it exactly right; the only reason BYU
isn't a member of the PAC 12 is because certain schools didn't want to
be associated with a private, religiously-based school like BYU or Baylor.Slice it any way that helps you sleep at night, but the record speaks
for itself; BYU's athletic programs, overall, dwarf Utah's - see the
Directors' Cup standings for the last 20 years.-------------I see you're still hurting.Speaking of
religiously-based schools, what I don't understand is why Baylor and TCU
are in the Big 12 and they've even offered Notre Dame an invite yet BYU is
still in 40+ years of discussions?Hey, maybe you can send the Big 12
thh Directors' Cup standings for the last 20 years?
@BlueCougIt pretty amazing that 25% of the head coaches in a
conference that didn't want to be associated with BYU are alums of BYU.----------------Like the PAC-12, those 25% also don't
want to be associated with BYU.
Congrats and good luck to Sark, one of the best to wear a Cougar uniform!"To your point, byu [sic] has to earn it's [sic] place among
the elite...they have not done that in several areas."There's a steadily growing body of evidence that neither have the
PAC's most recent acquisitions.
If it's true, kudo's to Sarkisian. I've long thought he would be
a great hire at BYU for HC. Then we could let Bronco do what he's longed to
do...run the D.WA_Alum, It's not his fault if true...he
wouldn't announce it ahead of USC's announcement. It's the radio
station's deal for asking someone to spill the beans. You wouldn't
make a job announcement before your new company said it was ready to do so.
Mypespective is right on the mark. USC will end up regretting this; just like
hiring Kiffin. A lot of fans tooting Sarks horn, simply because he played at
BYU. His record at Washington: 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6 and 8-4. Never, ever sniffed a
Rose Bowl, but he's a great coach and a great hire. Yeah, right! Just being
brutally honest; someone has to be!
Washington needs to hire Ed Orgeron, then beat the puddy out of USC. That would
be awesome. Sarkasian is a fair, at best, coach. Washington just upgraded there
stadium and other facilities. Great city, Great setting and a Great job that
Sark just gave up.
Sharp guy. Great choice.
Driving in to work this morning at 7:00 local time, the morning jocks at KJR,
which is the flagship radio station for Husky games here in the Seattle area,
specifically asked Sark if he had interviewed for the job. He denied he had and
gave every indication he was at UW for the long haul. Poorly done, coach.
Dave DTeams often rally around around an interim coach, but
that's no guarantee he could continue that success in years to come. Coach
O's record at Ole' Miss was abysmal, 10-25 overall, only 3-21 in the
Congratulations to Coach Sarkisian. Look for the Trojans to be scary good as
soon as they get their full compliment of scholarships back.-------------------littleperspectiveBlueCoug has it
exactly right; the only reason BYU isn't a member of the PAC 12 is because
certain schools didn't want to be associated with a private,
religiously-based school like BYU or Baylor.Slice it any way that
helps you sleep at night, but the record speaks for itself; BYU's athletic
programs, overall, dwarf Utah's - see the Directors' Cup standings for
the last 20 years.
Bad hire - Sark was about to sit in the hot seat at U-Dub.
DowntownchrisbrownCoach O already resigned after being offered a
raise and an opportunity to remain at USC.His choice.USC
players can't blame Sark for Coach O's departure.
@noperspectiveBYU more than "earned" it's place in the
PAC 12 based on athletic success - a perennial Top 25, national championship
winning football program with excellent Olympic sports programs. The fact that
certain schools in the PAC didn't want to be associated with a private,
religiously-based school and BYU's no Sunday play policy are the only
reasons BYU wasn't invited instead of the 2nd best athletic program in
Utah.Academics were nothing but a red herring. The PAC 12 was ready
and willing to accept Big 12 schools that have the exact same research rating as
BYU, and BYU's undergraduate programs exceed the undergraduate programs of
many PAC 12 schools, including Utah.
So after going 6-2 Ed Orgeron doesn't get any respect? What does a guy have
Congratulations to Coach Sark! Well deserved.Utah's chances of
challenging for a PAC South title just took a huge hit.
I'm wondering if he keeps Coach O. If he doesn't he may have a
difficult time winning the team over. Coach O has been successful and popular
among his players. I was surprised he didn't get the job.
Great hire for the Trojans!Don't be too surprised to see Sark
transform USC back into a national championship contender.Bad news
for Utah's chances of challenging for a PAC South title anytime soon. Utah,
which has never beaten Sark at USC or at Washington, now has to face Sark with
an arsenal of USC talent on an annual basis.
Interesting news in our Pac-12. I really thought USC would stay with their
interim coach...he certainly elevated the Trojans while he was there. If true,
good luck to Sarkisian. BlueCoug"It pretty amazing that
25% of the head coaches in a conference that didn't want to be associated
with BYU are alums of BYU."You have it backwards, BlueCoug. It
would be the Pac-12 allowing byu to be associated with the conference. To your
point, byu has to earn it's place among the elite...they have not done that
in several areas.
Congratulations Sark!It pretty amazing that 25% of the head coaches
in a conference that didn't want to be associated with BYU are alums of
I am in the Seattle area. No rumors floating around here (yet).I wish
Congratulations to former BYU QB Steve Sarkisian on his promotion to the most
coveted head coaching job in the PAC 12!
Good luck to Sark, unless he is playing a school from Utah.I wonder who
Washington will hire?Merry Christmas