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Published: Sunday, Dec. 1 2013 6:40 p.m. MST

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WeberJazz
Vancouver, WA

Agreed. Hypothetically, if the ten best teams in the country were all in the same conference, the worst among them would have seven or eight losses and would never be considered by the AP or coaches poll. While this is obviously an extreme example, the Utes really did prove themselves in an outstanding Pac-12. See reidlaw.us/reidratings/index.html

Ufan
Salt Lake City, UT

KimmyP

"You cite the SOS schedule from when Utah was a member of MWC, like it was their choice to play those teams."

Yet, Utah fans have the unmitigated gall to criticize BYU's 1984 SOS when BYU won the National Championship?

Pot meet kettle.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

KimmyP

"Unlike BYU, who can actually choose to fill up on 4 cupcakes each year, then play 4 "upper" teams from non-BCS conferences, like Boise State and/or San Jose State, and 4 mid to lower teams from BCS conferences."

LOL at your over-simplification.

Do you honestly think that BYU has the option of scheduling any opponent they want, any time they want? BYU, in only its 3rd season as an Independent, put together a 2013 schedule that was TOUGHER than ANY schedule Utah had ever played, until this season.

The simple truth is NOBODY knows how good or bad a team might be 3 or 4 years from now. Notre Dame, for example, could be a national championship contender, like last season, or merely decent, like this year. Even Utah State could be a Top 25 team, or simply a decent team.

Houston, Georgia Tech, and Utah State could have each been BCS bowl contenders. Texas still is.

It's laughable that you criticize BYU's built in cupcakes, while Utah has two built in cupcakes every year - a Big Sky team and Colorado.

U 90
Corona, CA

Ahh yes, "one game does not a season make", the favorite battle cry of Y faithful

A respectable season, by golly, should be built on the backs of cupcakes to ensure inclusion in the Kraft Fight Hunger bowl. That's the definition of true and honorable season.

0-4, 3-9... no computers or cupcakes to mask reality just straight up head-to-head football.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

My Perspective

"The University of Utah gave BYU $2M from our inclusion in the BCS."

LOL at your spin!

Utah didn't "give" BYU anything. The amount BYU received from the BCS for Utah's bowl participation wasn't even close to $2 million.

BYU receives substantially more revenue from ONE home game televised on ESPN, than BYU ever received from Utah playing in a BCS bowl.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Tators

Stop day dreaming that BYU would do better playing in a Big 5 league.

On what planet can a 3rd place MWC team be able to compete in the Big 12 and PAC-12 when it has been proven that the #1 and #2 MWC teams cannot?

Is it because BYU’s current talent is 0-8 vs Utah and TCU?

Or maybe because…

In 2013 BYU is 2-2 vs teams with a losing record (Utah was 2-0).
BYU is 2-4 vs PAC-12 since going Indy (two wins over 3 win teams).
BYU has a losing record against Big 5 teams under Bronco.

Please provide the pundit that said BYU can compete in the Big 12 or PAC-12 today. I can use a laugh.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Draper Ute Fan\

How is Bronco vs. Kyle? Just askin......

BYU fans never post that stat when comparing the two. Now that's curious?

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

So Utah is on the cusp of being competitive in the PAC because the Utes lost a lot of close games, but Utah has "owned" BYU lately because the Utes have won the majority of the 14 of 17 games that have been decided by 7 points or less in the closing minutes or in overtime?

Bottom line - final record and rankings are the final word on each season.

In 6 of the 9 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has finished with a better record AND higher ranking than Utah.

Despite the head-to-head losses in 2013, Stanford and BYU are both better than Utah.

BCS standings: #39 BYU > #58 Utah
USA Today rankings: #34 BYU > #76 Utah
Sagarin rankings: #28 BYU > #33 Utah
Composite rankings(98): #29 BYU > #54 Utah

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

"The University of Utah gave BYU $2M from our inclusion in the BCS.

LOL at your spin!"

There's no spin in the comment I posted. The same cannot be said about your post, however.
Now, I will ask you again...are you pleased byu never earned the opportunity to play on the big stage (BCS)?

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Uteology

Bronco is 9-8(53%) versus PAC 12 teams
Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC 12 teams

No amount of slicing and dicing that stat will change the fact that Bronco has been MUCH more competitive versus PAC 12 teams, than Kyle.

BYU9293
Clinton, UT

Fans are funny. BYU and Utah won exactly the same number of MWC championships while in that league...4 each. In old WAC byu won 19 and Utah won 2. Thus, BYU was not the #3 team (overall speaking) from the mwc. They have finished 3rd some years, but so did Utah. So that idea just does not wash. I cannot say if byu would win more games that Utah in the pac and I don't think that mattered, from people at the meetings, byu was considered before Utah and was not invited because they refuse to play on sundays. Those are the facts, period. Any other version is just plain not true.
Also, the big12 wanted byu and did not offer an "official" invitation because byu would not give in on tv rights, which was the best move for byu. The conferences normally make the deals first and it is firmly in place before they ever offer an 'official' invitation, just the way it is done.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

"Do you honestly think that BYU has the option of scheduling any opponent they want, any time they want?"

Nobody believes that, OnestarRunner, and the truthfulness of that statement will really hit home when byu fans begin to focus on what Holmoe has lined up for 2014.

Preseason, byu's schedule looked fairly respectable on paper. Now that we've reached the end of the year, it's clear that it was a joke. But again...it will be wildly entertaining when the byu collective starts to focus on 2014.

BYU9293
Clinton, UT

Based on overall past performance, over the previous 10-20 years, then BYU could be considered as more likely to compete for championships in football and other sports. Let us not forget, the invitation is not all about football, but other sports also.
To Chris B and others, it is good you don't view yourselves as a punching bag for others in your conference, that way you can be happy, really. I don't consider byu a punching bag for others easy, so good. however, your conference record over the last 3 years says you are a punching bag for them.
It is also interesting how quickly ute fans jumped on the bcs propaganda bandwagon when they were fighting so hard against it just the year before joining. The fact is, until football has a real playoff that includes the conference champion from every single conference, regardless of weak anyone thinks they are, there will not be a true national champion, it is till mythical. If the BCS teams are so great, they should welcome an easy game in the first rounds. Where does that leave byu as independent...in trouble if we ever went to a real playoff.

81Ute
Central, UT

@MyPerspective
Utah has given BYU more bowl profits than they have earned themselves, what do ya think? The cougs offer no appreciation either.

Ifel Of'a-sofa
Alpine, Utah

Contending?

utes had 7 home games and were 4-3
utes has 5 road games and were 1-4 (the 1 being byu)

thank goodness you had more home games this year or it would have been uglier than 5-7

the pac10.2 has to be wondering "WHAT were we thinking?"

Locker Clean out Monday

81Ute
Central, UT

@BYU9293
Why stop there with championships?
The Skyline Conference: Utes = 10 BYU = 0
Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference: Utes = 10 BYU = 0

What about future conference championship prospects: Utah = yes BYU = nope.

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ Cats

"I've said it before. I'll say it again. The PAC-12 has been a disaster for the Utes. They are in completely over their heads!"

The same can be said about BYU! Independence has been a disaster for BYU. The only thing they have going for them is their ESPN deal. Even that is a double edge sword. They get their national exposure they were craving, but they've also been nationally exposed by every good team on their schedule for the last 3 years. Even Utah has beaten BYU all three years since going Indy on ESPN. Lucky for BYU, they have enough cream puffs to help them get to bowl eligibility so they can play in their mediocre bowl game.

Utah may struggle now in the PAC-12, but they'll eventually turn things around. The PAC-12 offers significantly more rewards than independence and the MWC. But each conference team has to earn it on the field.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter
Still at it, eh, Duck. At least you came up with something different to say.

Now, I will ask you again...are you pleased byu never earned the opportunity to play on the big stage (BCS)?

81Ute
Central, UT

@BYU9293
"The fact is, until football has a real playoff that includes the conference champion from every single conference, regardless of weak anyone thinks they are, there will not be a true national champion, it is till mythical."
Of course 1984 is excluded from the mythical championship part.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Cats

"I've said it before. I'll say it again. The PAC-12 has been a disaster for the Utes. They are in completely over their heads!"

You can say it all you want, it won't change a thing...there's not a single Utah fan on the planet complaining about being the Pac-12. Contending in our elite conference is the subject of the article and the Utes are very close to doing just that.

How about you, Cats, are you pleased that the BCS era has come and gone and your cougs never got so much as a sniff at the big game?

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