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Published: Sunday, Dec. 1 2013 6:40 p.m. MST

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Max
Charlotte, NC

Absolutely! Those heartbreaking losses will start to fall Utah's way. The team is getting better each year.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Nope we aren't. A couple years ago we could not have beaten Stanford and taken ranked ucla, asu, and Oregon state down to the last play.

In our Mwc days we got decent mwc recruits, and often we lost in recruiting to other local program. Since our PAC 12 invite we have had a better average star recruiting class every year than every other local program. Our 3.0 average star recruiting last 4 years is a definite step up. Just for comparisons, byu has averaged 2.6 and usu 2.1 in those same 4 years. Again for comparison, alabama has a 3.7. Its no coincidence they have been one of the best and have among highest stars.

Stars matter.

With that said, we aren't playing 2.6 star teams in PAC 12 play.

But considering guys redshirt and go on missions, our seniors are still a lot of Mwc recruits.

A 3.0 is good enough for 7th in the PAC 12 last 4 years.

And I think we will be a middle PAC 12 team very soon, and that will be a great feat

The future is bright for the PAC 12 utes

Crow
Sandy , UT

Can I get an amen brother testify.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Chris, stop saying "we." You are not included in the team's successes or failures whatsoever.

Ken
Sandy, UT

Stgslc, you couldn't be more wrong. I haven't missed a home game in 5 years. I have been to numerous away games. I went to the sugar bowl. I graduated from the university. I buy new ute gear every year. I went crazy when we earned a pac 12 invite. I scream during the games an love when we win and hate when we lose. I love taking to the players and coaches at events, games, on campus. I donate to the university and the athletic department.

If you or any fan doesn't feel a part of the team and program, I suggest you join us! Because yes, we are included. I am with Chris on this one. I am sorry you don't feel included in the program.

Rose Bowl call yet?
Salt Lake City, UT

cb

Good luck selling top recruits on the excitement of playing in the couch potato bowl every year.

BYU9293
Clinton, UT

Chris B,
You are always talking about average number of stars, but you aren't getting the top line stars and until you do, you will not be competitive. Even though your average star rating may be higher than byu's, byu is getting more 4 star recruits. What that translates to is more overall depth for Utah and that is helpful, but you need top of the line recruits to really compete with the big boys in college football on a week to week basis. That is exactly why Utah will never be relevant in the pac12. Yes, you are getting more money, but you will not overtake the other teams. How many conference football championships have Arizona and Arizona State won in the last 35-40 years since joining the conference, and they are warm weather spots with some great advantages in recruiting. It is just the way it is. Utah realizes this and this is why they don't want to play Byu and Utah state each year, they want to face an easier team to pad their schedule with more wins and hopefully go 6 and 6 and get to some bowl games.

General
Alpine, UT

Now that the Utes are in the PAC 12 those they recruit are noticed by the other teams who then compete more heavily with them for talent that may have slipped through the cracks and into the Ute camp in the past.

BYU9293
Clinton, UT

And, Chris B, before you spout about how anyone would rather be in the Pac12...You are wrong. I for one, and I know many others, who would not rather be there. I am so glad we did not fall for the Big 12 or Big East and stuck with our guns. It all depends on what you want and want you value. If you want that big conference money, great, then you are where you want to be. BYU does not need that and they have a more important mission. So just be glad that both BYU and Utah are happy where they are. I personally would rather be going to bowl games each year than be the punching bag for others in a major conference. You don't mind that and that is okay. Different strokes for different folks. I am glad Utah fans are happy about being the Pac12, I hope they continue to be if they continue to struggle because I suspect they will struggle for quite some time. But I really mean it, I am glad they like where they are. I could not be more pleased about where BYU is right now.

Cowboy Dude
SAINT GEORGE, UT

The losses to Oregon State, UCLA, and AZ State were heartbreaking. However, four wins were by 7 or less points. It could have been a lot worse.

Those interceptions from tipped passes were heartbreaking. However, some of those tips were from Utah's own players.

In the end, the season averaged out to be what it should be. Not contenders yet, but not too far either.

SportzFan
Salt Lake City, UT

"A couple years ago we could not have beaten Stanford and taken ranked ucla, asu, and Oregon state down to the last play. "

You suffer from the same logical deficiency as Sorenson.

"Against Oregon State, UCLA and Arizona, the Utes led in the fourth quarter before losing in the final minutes. And they nearly came back to beat Washington State."

"A couple years ago" ASU, UCLA, Arizona and Wazzu were all somewhere between less-than-mediocre and lousy, but they hired better coaches and they improved. "A couple years ago," Utah BEAT those teams (and Oregon State). (Take off your selective-memory hat, Chris and think hard). I used to think Whitt would be the determining factor in the Utes' success. Turns out it could be he is the determining factor, in the other direction: 4 OC's in the last four years, worse record each year, losing to teams the Utes used to beat.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Rose bowl,

And yet last year after Utah went bowl less Utah STILL beat byu in head to head AND average star recruiting.

So even without going to a bowl, recruits are apparently picking Utah over byu. At least the better recruits are doing that.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Byu9293,

I'm not sure your claims of more 4 stars is accurate, but even if it is, it's a difference of 2 four stars vs 1 four star

And again even if its true, that means byu is getting more 1 star kids than Utah if byu has a worse average star rating.

Spin it all you want, Utah is getting better recruits.

And in case you are tempted to use the reply of "then why is Utah losing?"

Answer: we aren't playing 2.6 star teams in the PAC 12

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

Wow, next year's pre season's hype is starting already. Next it will be BYU. Both programs are BORING and PREDICTABLE. It's a wonder anyone is interested in them at all.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Ken, being supportive and having pride in one's team is all well and good, and I'm right there with you on that. I actually worked in the program while in school and had great experiences and built great relationships with some fantastic athletes. But I never tried to take credit for what the 105 guys practicing every week and the 40 or 50 guys on the field on Saturday accomplished. To me, that's almost as disrespectful to the players as the trolls that come here to try and tear them down for their shortcomings.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Utah isn't "that far away," Mr. Sorenson? Really?

Consider:
Utah had 7 conference wins at the start of the season. They now have 9, one coming against the last place team in their division. It will take 4 (yes, FOUR) seasons to accumulate 10 conference wins. (The other was proven to be a fluke.)

This team looks a lot like the team that lost to UNLV 0 - 27 a few years ago and flubbed getting to the first PAC 12 Championship Game when they couldn't beat the worst road team in America at home with Norm Chow as the OC. But that year they had more wins than this year.

They are a "few years" from going to the Rose Bowl? Really?

Consider:
Arizona has been in the PAC "Conference of Champions" for decades and has NEVER been to a Rose Bowl. In fact, of the 12 teams in the conference 9 (yes, NINE) of them are bowl eligible this year. The three that's aren't include California, Colorado and Utah. This is Utah's 2nd year in a row without going bowling. Why will that suddenly change? Is it because "Utah is better than last year?" Apparently the other teams are as well.

Down under
Salt Lake City, UT

And so it begins. Utah is already talking about how great they will be next year. It seems I have heard this the past three years and look how it turned out. I predict a 4-8 or 5-7 season at best next year. With Erickson moving on to a more successful team and the rest of Whit's staff being fired they will be rebuilding, again.

Sorry CB for the bad news but you should be used to it by now.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

2004. Undefeated. The first BCS busters. Winning the Fiesta Bowl. As my family and I left the stadium I thought, "I have just seen the pinnacle of Utah football." I never thought Utah would top that.
2008. Undefeated. Beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. This topped the 2004 year; however, I no longer thought Utah could not someday top this.
2010 Joined the PAC-12. Achievement of goals I never imagined possible.

Does 2013 rival these moments. No; however, the year was unlike any before.
Never has a Utah team played a schedule ranked so high in difficulty. The latest AP poll lists Utah having played the number 7 team ( Utah won), the number 11 team (1 pt loss), the number 12 team (23 point loss) and the number 17 (7 point loss).
In addition to these teams 5 other opponents at some time was either listed in the weekly AP poll or was shown to have received votes.

So many games were so close and this with so many key players suffering season ending or missed game injuries .

In my mind, this season was one of the most enjoyable ever. And I thank the team!

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

I've said it before. I'll say it again. The PAC-12 has been a disaster for the Utes. They are in completely over their heads!

geggett
Orem, UT

Mike Sorenson is clearly wrong. The Utes are exactly "that far" from contending. Always were; always will be.

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