Congrats on the win vs. your rival! Now for some much deserved rest during the
The small fish in a big Pac 12 pond is still bigger than the big fish in a small
WAC/indy pondAny other utes love our Pac 12 membership!I
know I do! With recruiting have improved a lot compared to our MWC days, there
is a TON of promise with this program. The only program with a true
national future in the state of Utah, IS UTAH
Well done, Utes. A great way for Reilly to end his stellar career at Utah. btw...sweet little girl he there. I'm sure she got more attention
that her dad!Great game, Utes!!
"The small fish in a big Pac 12 pond is still bigger than the big fish in a
small WAC/indy pond"What's so great about being a PAC 12
doormat?There's nothing special about being nothing but a
punching bag for the big boys of the conference.
Sports fan, most fans want their team to be the best they can. And
yes, like I said, a small PAC 12 fish is still better(bigger) than a big fish in
a nobody conference, or a fish that all big time ponds have denied. What's worse than being a PAC 12 doormat?Being worse than
that PAC 12 doormat. Scoreboard!
@sportsfan"There's nothing special about being nothing but
a punching bag for the big boys of the conference"Except that
the biggest boys in the conference were our punching bag this year. Our schedule proved even more difficult than the experts predicted, and we won
more games than almost any of them predicted.I realize byu fans are
upset about getting beat every year. But this program is progressing.
Chris B,We are all glad you love your PAC12 membership!!! Congrats to the
Utes and MUSS for the great win against your new rival!!! I wonder if the Utes
should stop recruiting in the State of Utah because getting most of the cream of
the crop seems to have a worsening affect on how you finish in the conference!!!
Each year you have finished not only with a losing record but worse then the
year before and now no bowl game for the second year in a row!!! It must really
hurt to see the other two teams in the state that you beat going bowling while
you stay home and polish your Beehive Boot!!! A third tier bowl is still much
better then sitting at home thinking about what might have been!!! See you soon
in basketball!!!Go BYU Rise Up!!!
Truthsandwich,Please shed some light on how finishing with a worse
conference record each year is considered progressing? At this continued rate
BYU, Utah State and even Weber State will have a better shot at playing in the
Rose Bowl sooner then Utah!!! See you on the hardwoods at the HC soon!!!Go BYU Rise Up!!!
Congrats Trevor on a great season. I hope you're brother makes as much
impact for the Cougs as U have for the team up north.chris - this
article isn't about your conference membership. We know U love it.
I'm sure U have plenty of bumper stickers to match the bulletin boards all
over SLC. But I can assure U, winning games against teams like Texas, Boise St,
Georgia Tech, Utah State and Houston is more fulfilling than being in the PAC12.
This season was tough. The Utes could have ended up 8-4, fairly easily 7-5 or
6-6 but learned a lot of painful lessons in another 5-7 season. The quality of
football improved over last year, and the schedule was really, really tough. If
the Utes can make similar improvement over the off season in the areas they need
to work on, next year could be significantly better.Nobody's
talking about it yet, but for all the Cougar fans enjoying Utah's tough
year, you may have more angst and furor ahead, maybe as early as February, as
the BCS goes away and a playoff format emerges. Those aren't seismic
changes, but the possibility of another tier in NCAA football, or even the Power
5 conferences splitting off to form their own organization should have you
seriously worried.As Utah fans have learned, beating up on MWC level
teams week after week is really not an indicator of how good your team is. BYU
fans probably also learned that they're not on the same tier as the Power 5
teams. If you can't beat Utah, four years in a row, you're
definitely not in the top tier.
10CCCoaches/AP/Sagarin Rankings and Records2011
#25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)2012 unranked/#26
BYU(8-5) > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)2013 unranked/#28 BYU(8-4) >
unranked/#33 Utah(5-7)Regardless of how you spin it, BYU has
finished with a better record and higher ranking in 6 of the 9 seasons during
the Bronco/Kyle era, including all three seasons since the Independent/PAC 12
era began for BYU and Utah.One game does not a season make - see #7
Stanford(10-2) > unranked Utah(5-7).Try convincing anybody not
living under that crimson bubble on the hill, that Utah is better than Stanford.
@ Truth MachineThe differences in records from 2011-2013 can be
completely attributed to difference in schedules, but you know that.
Truth Machine:I don't think anyone associated with the Utes
thinks they're better than Stanford. Competitive with Stanford, UCLA, ASU,
Arizona, WSU, Oregon State and most other teams in the PAC, yes, but clearly
we're not superior to most teams in the PAC. There is unfinished business,
achievable goals.But, the key here, is we are *in* the PAC, and the
landscape of college football is going to change, and based on BYU's
performances against so-called BCS competition, they're a bubble team, at
best. I watched San Jose State beat Fresno State, and it was entertaining, but
it's not on the same tier as Power 5 football. BYU losing to Virginia,
Utah, Wisconsin and Notre Dame establishes that they're not on that tier,
either.If a new tier in college football emerges, and BYU
doesn't get on that train, they have nobody to blame but themselves. BYU
has had all the motivation known to mankind to beat Utah, and they've lost
four years in a row, 8 out of 11, etc. When all the marbles were in
play, BYU lost. Pretty much the same thing in most of their big auditions this
Thank you, Trevor, for your outstanding contributions to Utah football. You are
one of Utah's greatest football players. Good luck at the next level!
Congrats to Reilly on a nice career for the Utes and good luck in your future as
a father.I do feel the need to point out to Chris B that the size of
the fish is independent of the pond it resides in. (i.e. Bigger pond does not
equal bigger fish.)Fish size can be quantified with scales and measuring
tapes. It's not a safe assumption that being in a better
conference makes you a better team than you were before you jumped into the
bigger pond. (College basketball proves this point almost every year as a few
big fish in a some tiny ponds often make some big splashes in the big pond of
the NCAA tournament.The Utes were much more successful against the
PAC-10 than they have been in the PAC-12. If they can quantify their
success/failure independently from their affiliation they will be able to direct
their own destiny and success.