Brad Rock: Aggies show new conference (and Utes) how it's done


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  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Dec. 2, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    I guess Chris' constructive comment would be for USU to give up football? Come on Chris, answer up…what would you have USU do to improve?

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Dec. 2, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    I just don't get the constant rain on the parade of USU by what I perceive as individuals who have no concept of collegiate competition and seem to be envious of USU's success. The Ags have had a remarkable season and are playing for their conference championship when many teams might have folded. A great season, regardless of final outcome. For kids who want a competition role model, I suggest they look no further than what USU accomplished this year. Chris, if Utah is so superior in your mind, fine. You aren't going to convince anyone here that USU should drop football, fold up camp, and quit because they aren't in a power conference. We have a shot to win our conference! YES!! Go Aggies!

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    You can take the Utes out of the WAC, but you can't take the WAC out of the Utes, Chris.

  • The Anti Chris Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2013 12:38 a.m.

    Please be sure to let us know when the utes beat Stanford, UCLA, USC, and the likes week after week. I will be glued to the threads with great anticipation.

    By the way you forgot to mention WSU and Colorado Oh never mind, you lost to them this year and last.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Dec. 1, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    HAHAHA, chrisb claiming utes are so good... well win your games!
    you had to have home field and lucky trick plays to beat us, with all your 4 star recruits... what are they doing now? Cleaning out their lockers, while we still practice and play for the next month.

  • spokaloo White Salmon, WA
    Dec. 1, 2013 8:06 p.m.

    "We don't need for the aggies to show us how to beat nobodies, we need them to show us how to beat Oregon and Stanford and Arizona state and ucla and USC week after week"

    Chris B? Still checking...Chris B? Nope, No Chris B on the Utes roster.

  • john mills napa, CA
    Dec. 1, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    Once again the Des News takes a cheap shot at the Utes. You can literally feel the disdain for the Utes as you read this stuff. The comparison is Apples to Oranges

  • Cleetorn Fuaamotu, Tonga
    Dec. 1, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    By continuing to beat on their chests and pluck out their hairs, ekute and Chris B simply become pathetic representations of who they claim to be - Utah Utes. The U of U programs outclass these two plebes by leaps and bounds. While it may be true that both USU and BYU failed to garner wins against Utah this year, the tables could easily be turned in the next encounter - or maybe not. It won't matter until it happens. They don't have to consider their "lack of success in the PAC 12" as they are not in the PAC 12. And to postulate that BYU or USU are "praying" for any kind of a call from anybody in the PAC 12 is just plain stupid.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    Haha, now Chrissy is a conference commissioner saying who will and will not get in...hilarious. Keep posting Chrissy we love it haha. BYU fans don't want the PAC12 or to be in anyway associated with U!

  • pleblian salt lake city, utah
    Dec. 1, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    I don't think Rock was claiming USU is better than the U. Indeed, all evidence is to the contrary. However, I think he was comparing how the two teams faced comparable steps up in strengths of schedule and injuries with completely disparate resources.

    USU is not comparable to Utah. Utah takes in more money in one year than USU does in 5. Utah recruits more 3 and 4 star recruits in one year than USU does in 5. UoU enjoys 2-3X the fanbase and exposure as USU. USU cannot keep a quality coach, UoU wants to fire perhaps the 2nd best one to ever coach in the state of Utah.

    Yet, USU now competes--with BYU and Utah--without the resources. USU beats the teams it should beat, and competes with the ones it should not.

    Chris B may mock USU for beating the teams that the 2008 UoU team tried to claim offered some quality, but Chris B simply denigrates the U by even comparing them to UoU. They are not, nor should they be, in the same conversation. Yet, as Rock points out, they are.

    Go Aggies.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    ByU and Usu are praying the PAC 12 or big 12 will call

    And we won't!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 11:57 a.m.


    What's funny is the USU and byu "fans" celebrating the lack of success in the PAC 12 of the team that they can't beat.

  • nampaaggie9 nampa, ID
    Dec. 1, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    @ekute, what's funny is your season is over, send all the aggie fans a weekly fishing report for the next month, I knew ute fans could bo of some sort of help, it's mwc championship time. ....what a great time to be an aggie!!!

  • Cleetorn Fuaamotu, Tonga
    Dec. 1, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    The plain and simple truth of the matter is that Utah’s “Big 3” teams were assigned to WIN GAMES. None of them won all they were supposed to but 2 won enough to go bowling – 1 didn’t. They are not being compared to each other outright but to their respective records in conference. As long as it can be recalled that both USU and Utah are in separate conferences, the comparison IS valid. In the end, nobody gives 2 hoots about strength of schedule, only strength of WINS regardless of schedule. The article probably could have been just a well without the jabs at Utah but the truth is still the truth no matter how you dance around it.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    What's funny is that if Utah played USU and byu again today, there's no reason why Utah wouldn't come out on top...again.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    This article was spot on. The Ute's are in a league that they can't handle and USU found a good fit. It is nice to be the only Utah team that is going to a championship game. It will be fun to watch two more games. O how things have changed in the last few years.

  • BlacksburgCoug Blacksburg, VA
    Dec. 1, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Chris B. and JoCo Ute,

    No one cares about your strength of schedule or other ratings when you're not bowl eligible. WIN more, and then it's a great comparison. It's fairly obvious that when Utah played BYU, the Utes were the better team. However, it's also fairly obvious that is not the case at the end of the season. Utah beat USU on the strength of some great execution and more than a few breaks. Anyone who watched the game knows that USU was the better team. Unfortunately, that doesn't matter in the record books. Enjoy your victories over the in-state rivals. BYU is bowling, will beat a PAC-12 team that Utah lost to, and we'll see you in three years. USU fans, thanks for not chickening out of the rivalry and for realizing how great of a thing it is. We'll see you next season with Chuckie Keeton back.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Utah is the worst program in the state as proven by the results on the field against byu and USU, over the last 15 years.
    With such horrible records against their in-State foes, utah should just give up.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 1, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    Why does a team brag of going to the PAC 12, than whine of playing hard teams?

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Wow...this article really bruised a lot of Ute fans. Great season USU! Even when YOUR quarterback went down you still found hard and won. Good luck next week against Fresno.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    Dec. 1, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    I suggest that Chris B's constant acidic comments are the #1 reason why fans of other schools cheer against U of U these days. Even though I went to BYU, I used to always pull for the Utes when they were playing other teams. I even had a relative who was a FB All-American Ute. These days I hope they lose mostly because of Chris B. I bet there are a whole lot of others that feel the same way.

    Also, what he says may be hurting the recruiting for the U too.

    Too bad.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    It hurts, but there is a lot of truth in this article. There's no arguing that both teams upgraded conferences and competition with their moves. They both lost promising quarterbacks to injuries. The difference, however, is that one team went in with excuses, and the other went in with determination.

    The Utes need to go in with the same determination they have for the BYU game on every game of the season. Unfortunately, they go in with the excuse of playing the hardest schedule in the nation. Of course you will lose a lot of close games when you already have an excuse planned. Now, the season is over for one team, so it's time to get over the excuses, put together a winning game plan, and make some changes next season.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 6:31 a.m.

    Happy for the Aggies. You join a league to compete against other teams of like caliber and enjoy the competition and try for a championship now and then.

    It is fun winning and celebrating, not so much losing but that's life. Bowl games let a team continue to practice and play and compete. I grew up in California, got a little taste of the the "Big Game" i.e. Cal v. Stanford, but now I read with diminished interest because I don't live there nor care much about PAC12.

    Utah has a tough league, a tough schedule yeah, yeah. But the bottom line is that they are not going to practice nor play until September 2014. So USU and BYU get to practice and play some more. Almost half of D-1 teams will practice and play some more. It is sad to witness the Utes not taking care of business to be able to practice and play some more.

    No one cares about strength of schedule. No one. When the Y moans about this and that I don't care either. Take care of business, get ready to play and good things will happen.

    Way to fire Aggies.

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2013 12:28 a.m.

    Here's the rub, Chris:

    U were in the WAC/MWC for decades and only won a handful of conference championships. So now U are in a mighty BCS conference for THREE stinking years, U haven't won 10 conference games yet, and U are somehow heads and shoulders above the MWC, the very conference U owe your past success to?

    That's too funny. No wonder I'm not a Ute fan anymore. Three years in the PAC certainly doesn't erase 45+ years of history in the WAC/MWC.

    My Ags have two more games to look forward to. Your season is over. It's gonna be a long off-season for U.

    Mark it down!

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Nov. 30, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    congrats aggies! I hope you beat Fresno State.

    Utah was just one Chuckie Keaton leg cramp away from going 4-8.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 11:23 p.m.

    Good question, maybe BYU and USU should learn trick plays from Utah...it's true, I hardly ever see BYU run trick plays. Just another issue to bring up with Robert Anae I guess. BYU tries to beat people head up, but maybe a few tricks is what we need to get the ute monkey off our back. Of course phantom holding calls on kickoff returns for TDs doesn't help much...USU and BYU are getting tired of beating Utah in yardage but coming up short on the scoreboard, so thank you for the advice...need more trick plays, Anae!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    Oh, this article hit a nerve!

    Utah had a greased schedule to the conference championship game their first year. They just had to beat Colorado in SLC. They had Norm Chow as OC. So yes, comparing what USU and Utah did their first year in the conference is fair game and the Utes come up short.

    In fact, the Utes have been in the conference three seasons now and still don't have 10 conference victories (4 seasons required for that), have missed bowls two years in a row (and counting), and finished in 5th place in the southern division...right where they were picked when the season began.

    USU has improved, Utah has become stagnant. But Utes are members of an elite BCS conference (the BCS is now history after this year), are making tons of money, and always use the hard schedule as a reason why they can't win.

    USU can enjoy a bowl game, as can BYU, and Utah will get to recruit players hoping they don't ask about the bowl schedule and experience while in the PAC 12. Point out you won 2 BCS Bowls, ok? Might help....

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:57 p.m.


    Why didn't usu and byu pull out tricks to beat Utah?

    Don't have them?

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    So Chris, you are saying USU played all of 2 PAC 10 + 2 teams (both on the road) and lost both while the utes went a magical 2-7 in league play while losing ALL 4 road games and somehow you think the utes are better? I am pretty sure the AGGIES could go at least 2-7 given the same schedule even without the resources. All I know is I am thankful my team is playing again twice in December instead of having that very long 9 month wait staring at me. All the comebacks, stats,comparisons in the world can't compare with actually still having games to look forward to. Going to be a long winter, spring and summer for you....mark it down. :)

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:43 p.m.

    I wouldn't compare USU's game against USC if I were you. They looked a whole lot tougher against USC (with marquis Lee who didn't play against Utah). Utah looked like a joke against USC while USU took them to the final whistle. Careful the comparisons you want to make. And how quickly you forget that USU was owning Utah until the utes had to pull tricks like onside kicks out of the bag.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    BTW. . . Major kudos to USU on a great season. This Ute can enjoy seeing USU be successful. Congratulation to all the coaches and the players. Good luck in the Championship game.

    Too bad the articles negative comments on Utah had to cloud up what could have been an opportunity for all Utahans to offer congratulations to USU on a great year.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Good win! Beat Fresno, and enjoy your bowl game.

    Aggies deserve it!

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:37 p.m.

    @Sports Nutz
    Smithfield, UT

    Uhhhh, Sports Nutz, I'm not a U fan. I have always been a BYU fan. I watch Ute games in hopes of seeing them lose because of U fans like Chris B. I just think it's absurd to suggest that USU's path to success in the MWC is in any way as challenging as the Ute's path in the PAC 12. It's like saying hiking Timpanogas is the same as climbing Mt. Everest. It's hardly in the same realm of difficulty. If that disturbs USU fans, oh well.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    Ute fans:
    My how the truth hurts. USU goes to the championship in their first year in a conference (WAC & MWC) where Utah could only muster 6 championships in nearly half a century. Utah fans, you weren't anything special in those weaker conferences against weaker competition. It would be one thing if U had accomplished much against weaker competition like BYUs domination to the tune of 26 conference championships but U don't even compare. Go ahead and shine up that SOS trophy that everyone cares about while USU is playing for championships...ask any Aggie if they'd rather be sitting at home with U. The reason Utah will never compete in the PAC is that they WON'T learn anything from the Aggies...they'll just continue to whine about being picked on for their mediocrity because of their tough schedule. You chose the PAC ute fans, enough of the excuses and whining about your complete ineptitude.

  • stathis Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    By all means praise the Aggies! But there is no need to do so at the expense of the Utes...poor form this. And do remember This same Aggie team lost to the Utes when they were at full strength earlier in the year...and those beat up Utes also beat BYU a team that beat the Aggies. In fact, Utah beat Weber State, BYU and the Aggies...no mean feat this or any other year! Let's just be happy that finally good things are happening in Logan.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:22 p.m.

    Sports nutz

    Did usu get better? Or did they just stop playing PAC 12 teams as the season went on? Surely you understand the concept of strength of schedule right?

    The WAC 2.0 had NINE chances to beat the PAC 12. Guess how many WAC teams won?

    Nine? Nope
    Eight? Nope
    Seven? Nope
    Six? Nope
    Five? Nope
    Four? Nope
    Three? Nope
    Two? Nope
    One? Nope

    Lol! And two of those losses were the aggies against the #5 and #10 PAC 12 teams

    If aggies are content in just being able to say you are better than nobody WAC teams, I guess you should celebrate

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    Leave it to the DNews to take a great accomplishment by Utah State and turn it into a hateful jab at Utah. Stay classy, DNews!

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Nov. 30, 2013 10:07 p.m.

    Last check for Strength of Schedule @ Sagarin had Utah @ # 1, the toughest schedule in the nation. USU clocked in at # 86. CF Team Rankings Utah # 1 and USU # 73. GBE computer rankings had Utah at # 2 and USU at # 106. Finally Congrove computer has Utah at # 4 and USU @ # 90. This pattern should be clear enough that even Mr. Rock should see my point.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    re:32843 & Chris B,

    Where you won't have a team playing in a bowl AGAIN this year, you should get together and come up with more excuses and comparisons as to why USU and BYU got better as the season went along and the utes didn't. Yes, the utes are in a better conference but that should allow them the resources to recruit better players and coaches but it isn't happening. They are on a downward spiral the likes of their basketball team. GO AGGIES......

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 9:41 p.m.

    Too bad, Rock couldn't just write an article recapping USU's season and successful year in the Mountain West Conference.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    That's how Rock rolls.

    Rock, Utah beat USU when USU was at the top of their game.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 30, 2013 9:30 p.m.

    Way to go, Aggies! You DID show Utah - and BYU - a thing or two by beating the teams you were supposed to.

    Now it's your turn to take a cue from Utah and pull off an upset to crown your season.

    I really couldn't be happier for USU. Continue making most of us proud, and making Chris and a few others defensive. I never get tired of hearing about how tough life is for them.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    It's hardly a fair comparison. The teams making up the Mountain West are nowhere near comparable to even the bottom dwellers of the PAC-12. Sure, there is a valid point bringing up Utah's missed opportunity in their first year in the PAC. And admittedly the Utes have only gotten worse each year thereafter, but, comparing USU's first year success in the MWC to Utah's success (or lack of success) in the PAC is similar to suggesting that a Div II team setting a NCCA rushing record is comparable to the same record being set in the PAC, SEC or Big 12/10. The media making a big deal about the Div II school setting the record makes that school feel relevant, but everyone knows it's not like they set it against real competition.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Nov. 30, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    Why bring in a team that beat USU (and BYU) into this to make fun of them for playing in a much more difficult conference.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    We don't need for the aggies to show us how to beat nobodies, we need them to show us how to beat Oregon and Stanford and Arizona state and ucla and USC week after week