re: 2bit "I mean if you can't tolerate the majority vote... what else
CAN you do?" We socialists can wait for the next really big crisis (2008
was not big enough apparently), and at that time offer an alternative. We will
be listened to if the situation is sufficiently dire, like in the 1930's
(you know FDR got Utah's electoral votes 4 times!!!).
marxist,I thought Democrats believe in "Majority Rules". That
was the justification given when Democrats used the Nuclear Option in
Washington.Utah's officials are elected by majority vote... are
they not?So who are you to say they can't have the people they
voted for?IF the majority of Utahns really want Republicans, and
it's not hurting you... should they not be ALLOWED to have Republicans in
office? And assuming you know their only motivation is their
religious duty... is bogus assumption on your part.---How does Utahns not voting the way YOU want them to vote... mean our SYSTEM of
government is broken beyond repair? Regardless of your assumptions on their
motivations... should we not get the people we elected? (even when they are bad
apples)?If the only problems are:Too many Republicans, and
people voting based on their religious beliefs... what is the fix that can
actually be enforced that you are proposing? Do away with elections? I mean if
you can't tolerate the majority vote... what else CAN you do?
Re: 2bits "marxist,How is "The Utah political system as
presently constituted is beyond repair"? Could you elaborate on that a
little bit so we know what you are talking about?"Only one
political party can have power in Utah, because voting Republican is the LDS
thing to do. Democratic (small d intended) government only works when there is
multi-party opposition. In Utah the vote comes down to religious duty. And
that is that.
marxist,How is "The Utah political system as presently constituted is
beyond repair"? Could you elaborate on that a little bit so we know what
you are talking about?I mean we have a Constitution... is THAT the
problem?We have police, fire, DOT, etc... is THAT the problem?The majority of the population prefers Republican leadership... is THAT
the problem?I mean how you you propose to fix it? Get rid of the
Constitution... dissemble the current government systems we have... Ban
Republicans from office?We have the same system we have had for over
100 years, and it has worked pretty well (remember... Utah was judged by an
independent party to be the "Best Governed State" of all 50 States). So
evidently you are using a totally different criteria if you think our government
is broken beyond repair.If you think we need to be more
"Marxist"... please point out a single Marxist Government that has
brought as much peace and prosperity to it's people as the USA, or even
Utah. If it's really broken beyond repair... tell us how to
Another lesson I hope he learned... don't believe your own lies.The lesson I hope WE learned... Don't trust everything politicians say,
only what you can verify.
What lessons can we learn from the John Swallow saga?======= Honesty is the best policy.Avoiding the very appearance of
evil.What goes around, comes around.
The Utah political system as presently constituted is beyond repair.
That's the lesson in all of this.
I think the lesson learned is very simple, and it doesn't have to include a
partisan attack. Just be HONEST in your dealings.Many people are
trying to make this into a partisan attack. Dishonesty is not a Republican OR
a Democrat thing. It's a HUMAN thing. People from both parties need to
learn the same lesson from this episode.---I think
Pignanell was on target with his observation that many politicians have
narcissistic personalities and many of the same traits as sociopaths. He said, "but he exhibits the qualities of a "political
sociopath" These individuals are charming, intelligent and never apologize
because they believe what comes from their mouth is the truth"...... the same can be said about MANY politicians, even Presidents (from BOTH
parties).---IMO the lesson to be learned here is NOT
that all Republicans are bad, or you can't trust Republicans, or that Tea
Party candidates are dangerous. That's just the usual partisan
blather.What WE should learn is... that EVERY politician (regardless
of party) is capable of deception, and we should only trust what we can verify
first hand or directly by a trusted source.
Tarbett is the man. Who's going to argue with a retired Major General?
Kind of suprised he wasn't on your list. He was mentioned on Doug Wright
over a week ago as a possible sucessor to Swallow.
Mr. Pignanellie may be a sociopath as well, he has been a politician himself.
Honesty is the best policy.Our actions must be above reprove.
I doubt Brian King would consider a run for attorney general.
"These individuals are charming, intelligent and never apologize because
they believe what comes from their mouth is the truth."Whoa, for
a minute there I thought you were talking about Barack Hussein Obama.
Mc, I'm not so sure they are weeded out. Perhaps they are more adept at
hiding their sneakiness than we think.As long as the Good Old Boys
Club is intact, as long as there are piles of money floating around and not
accountability for contributions from corporate "people," as long as
ALEC is lurking out there with the Koch brothers and others like them,
corruption will remain entrenched.Term limits and very strict
campaign finance laws -- or better yet, public financing of campaigns -- might
go a long way toward cleaning some of it up.
>>Webb: If anything, Utah has less political corruption than most
Was Swallow a tea party guy? I don't think so, he was in the old guard
hanging out with the establishment republicans where the fruit was hanging low.
Nice article gentlemen, impressive that Pagnelli even complemented the
I think I agree with Webb. If today's pols are more honest and ethical
than previously it is because they are subject to more scrutiny. It may be an
example of natural selection -- the ones that are corrupt or who skate too close
to the edge are weeded out. Hopefully !!
Tea party candidates are dangerous.