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Published: Sunday, Dec. 1 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Tea party candidates are dangerous.

McMurphy
St George, Utah

I think I agree with Webb. If today's pols are more honest and ethical than previously it is because they are subject to more scrutiny. It may be an example of natural selection -- the ones that are corrupt or who skate too close to the edge are weeded out. Hopefully !!

BU52
Provo, ut

Was Swallow a tea party guy? I don't think so, he was in the old guard hanging out with the establishment republicans where the fruit was hanging low. Nice article gentlemen, impressive that Pagnelli even complemented the republican establishment.

Impartial7
DRAPER, UT

>>Webb: If anything, Utah has less political corruption than most states.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Mc, I'm not so sure they are weeded out. Perhaps they are more adept at hiding their sneakiness than we think.

As long as the Good Old Boys Club is intact, as long as there are piles of money floating around and not accountability for contributions from corporate "people," as long as ALEC is lurking out there with the Koch brothers and others like them, corruption will remain entrenched.

Term limits and very strict campaign finance laws -- or better yet, public financing of campaigns -- might go a long way toward cleaning some of it up.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

"These individuals are charming, intelligent and never apologize because they believe what comes from their mouth is the truth."

Whoa, for a minute there I thought you were talking about Barack Hussein Obama.

micawber
Centerville, UT

I doubt Brian King would consider a run for attorney general.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Honesty is the best policy.

Our actions must be above reprove.

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

Mr. Pignanellie may be a sociopath as well, he has been a politician himself.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Tarbett is the man. Who's going to argue with a retired Major General? Kind of suprised he wasn't on your list. He was mentioned on Doug Wright over a week ago as a possible sucessor to Swallow.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think the lesson learned is very simple, and it doesn't have to include a partisan attack. Just be HONEST in your dealings.

Many people are trying to make this into a partisan attack. Dishonesty is not a Republican OR a Democrat thing. It's a HUMAN thing. People from both parties need to learn the same lesson from this episode.

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I think Pignanell was on target with his observation that many politicians have narcissistic personalities and many of the same traits as sociopaths.

He said, "but he exhibits the qualities of a "political sociopath" These individuals are charming, intelligent and never apologize because they believe what comes from their mouth is the truth"...

... the same can be said about MANY politicians, even Presidents (from BOTH parties).

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IMO the lesson to be learned here is NOT that all Republicans are bad, or you can't trust Republicans, or that Tea Party candidates are dangerous. That's just the usual partisan blather.

What WE should learn is... that EVERY politician (regardless of party) is capable of deception, and we should only trust what we can verify first hand or directly by a trusted source.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

The Utah political system as presently constituted is beyond repair. That's the lesson in all of this.

airnaut
Everett, 00

What lessons can we learn from the John Swallow saga?

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Honesty is the best policy.
Avoiding the very appearance of evil.
What goes around, comes around.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Another lesson I hope he learned... don't believe your own lies.

The lesson I hope WE learned... Don't trust everything politicians say, only what you can verify.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

marxist,
How is "The Utah political system as presently constituted is beyond repair"? Could you elaborate on that a little bit so we know what you are talking about?

I mean we have a Constitution... is THAT the problem?

We have police, fire, DOT, etc... is THAT the problem?

The majority of the population prefers Republican leadership... is THAT the problem?

I mean how you you propose to fix it? Get rid of the Constitution... dissemble the current government systems we have... Ban Republicans from office?

We have the same system we have had for over 100 years, and it has worked pretty well (remember... Utah was judged by an independent party to be the "Best Governed State" of all 50 States). So evidently you are using a totally different criteria if you think our government is broken beyond repair.

If you think we need to be more "Marxist"... please point out a single Marxist Government that has brought as much peace and prosperity to it's people as the USA, or even Utah.

If it's really broken beyond repair... tell us how to fix it!

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: 2bits "marxist,
How is "The Utah political system as presently constituted is beyond repair"? Could you elaborate on that a little bit so we know what you are talking about?"

Only one political party can have power in Utah, because voting Republican is the LDS thing to do. Democratic (small d intended) government only works when there is multi-party opposition. In Utah the vote comes down to religious duty. And that is that.

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

marxist,
I thought Democrats believe in "Majority Rules". That was the justification given when Democrats used the Nuclear Option in Washington.

Utah's officials are elected by majority vote... are they not?

So who are you to say they can't have the people they voted for?

IF the majority of Utahns really want Republicans, and it's not hurting you... should they not be ALLOWED to have Republicans in office?

And assuming you know their only motivation is their religious duty... is bogus assumption on your part.

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How does Utahns not voting the way YOU want them to vote... mean our SYSTEM of government is broken beyond repair? Regardless of your assumptions on their motivations... should we not get the people we elected? (even when they are bad apples)?

If the only problems are:
Too many Republicans, and people voting based on their religious beliefs... what is the fix that can actually be enforced that you are proposing? Do away with elections? I mean if you can't tolerate the majority vote... what else CAN you do?

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

re: 2bit "I mean if you can't tolerate the majority vote... what else CAN you do?" We socialists can wait for the next really big crisis (2008 was not big enough apparently), and at that time offer an alternative. We will be listened to if the situation is sufficiently dire, like in the 1930's (you know FDR got Utah's electoral votes 4 times!!!).

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