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Published: Monday, Dec. 2 2013 7:00 a.m. MST

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Prep Fan 89
Draper, UT

"If you have a really good team but the players come from 10 different communities, how do you attract one central community feeling?"

One of the best lines I have read in a LONG time! This is exactly why the State of Utah needs to go to a "play where you live" rule. Yes the state legislature changed things in the mid 1990's so that a parent can choose to send their kid to any school that they want to. However, athletics are a PRIVILEGE so going to a "play where you live" format would still work.

It's simple. You can attend school anywhere you want to get an education, but if you want to play sports you play where you live. I really don't understand why it is such a tough concept, yet every time it comes up there is the excuse that the legislature screwed it up in Utah and quite frankly I don't buy it.

adwight
AMERICAN FORK, UT

I'm sorry but I have zero respect for the UHSAA. They are backward and hypocritical in their application of so called rules and by-laws. They don't have the gall to institute a "play-where-you-live" standard in the state and as a result you see the same 4 teams in each classification gunning for a title every year.

Pack
Layton, Utah

Prep Fan 89, I agree completely. I have proposed that very idea to the UHSAA and they just laughed at me.

moe
Pleasant Grove, UT

Tough job, he appears to be in a no win situation most of the time. Keep up the good work.

Ifel Of'a-sofa
Alpine, Utah

He addressed the Logan/Nelson issue, and glossed over the East/Timpview issue from last year. I would have like to hear what he had to say about the Hansen/American Fork/Lone Peak fiasco... that would have been entertaining to hear his explanation on.

ferret
Logan, UT

Ifel Of a-sofa he always overlooks the issues unless it involves what he and the UHSAA consider "high caliber" teams like Lone Peak. Then there is a vested interest. Unfortunately, the hardship waivers that are continually being passed based on dishonesty and exaggerated adjectives to different panels is really pathetic. The UHSAA hardship panel bases their decisions on whether or not they watch "Steel Magnolias" before a session or "Die Hard". The position of the UHSAA is that each case is "circumstantial", but if you are honest then the student is denied. It is unfortunate that the title of this article reads "sportsmanship". I thought fairness and honesty fell under that guideline. Too much time worrying about the specific classifications. Seems that the stuff rolls downhill. Need to invest in all classifications.

Pig Skin Fan
Syracuse, UT

DN: The Logan High quarterback, Chase Nelson, who was ejected from one game and expelled for an additional game for attempting to kick an opponent, was that a difficult call?

RC: It was not a difficult decision, but it was a delicate situation because it was a high-profile athlete on a high-profile team. The rulebook is clear that the consequence (for an ejection) is coaches and players are suspended from the next game. The tough thing is (Logan High) wanted an appeal and there isn’t a formal appeal for player ejections.

This answer above is inconsistent with what happened to a ejection this year when Highland vs MountainCrest game. The MC running back gets ejected and then plays the next game. The same running back should have been ejected the next two games for targeting and unsportmanlike conduct. The Logan QB was ejected for much less, though recieved much more. Too bad.

Pig Skin Fan
Syracuse, UT

adwight
AMERICAN FORK, UT
I'm sorry but I have zero respect for the UHSAA. They are backward and hypocritical in their application of so called rules and by-laws. They don't have the gall to institute a "play-where-you-live" standard in the state and as a result you see the same 4 teams in each classification gunning for a title every year.

Totally agree with your opinion. Zero respect for the UHSAA decisions over the past two years. The problem starts at the top all the way down.

Pig Skin Fan
Syracuse, UT

moe
Pleasant Grove, UT
Tough job, he appears to be in a no win situation most of the time. Keep up the good work.

Are you related? the have made one bad decision atfer another for two-three years maybe long. Don't keep doing what your doing. Do the opposite maybe the right thing to do. T

Giving all the teams last year a chance to play post season that violated all the rules was not right for all the other teams obeying the rules. UHSAA did not do thier jobs. Don't talk Sportsmanship to the Students or Fans.

adwight
AMERICAN FORK, UT

What I find interesting is that Lone Peak has been the only closed enrollment school as far as I know of for the past 4 years or so until this past January when the enrollment opened back up. During that time they won 3 basketball titles, a football, and a baseball title with closed boundaries. They also got the short end of the stick with the Eric Mika transfer with him having to sit out a year. They have a very impressive athletics program for being one of the few schools who has had to play by the rules.

Uncle Sam
West Jordan, UT

In the words of Lee Corso, "not so fast!"

adwight, When a kid chooses their school of eligibility in 9th grade by trying out for (and in the cases below making the team) they have established BY THEIR OWN CHOICE where they are playing.

Mika and Hansen made the choice to play for other schools, and the rules state that when you transfer you sit out a year. So spare me the sob routine, that is the rule.

Regarding Hansen, if you knew the story behind that transfer you would not be posting "play by the rules" in the same sentence as Lone Peak.

Husker1
Saratoga Springs, UT

There are legitimate academic reasons for allowing open enrollment. It allows students to participate in academic programs and classes that are not available at the school in their zone. For example, if a student at Olympus HS wants to take Junior ROTC classes, the nearest JROTC program is at East HS. Of course, we all know most students who take advantage of open enrollment are doing so for athletic, not academic, reasons.

There are two significant problems with "play where you live". First, schools in Utah are allowed to schedule team conditioning and practices during the school day. They are actual classes worth credit. The "play where you live" student would have to travel back and forth between two schools. This brings up the second possible problem- transportation. A 9th or 10th grader without a drivers license might have problems commuting during the school day. Legally, schools are required to provide equal opportunity for all athletes. That's why we see teams riding a bus to a game only a couple miles away; the school is required to provide transportation. It will only take one lawsuit and "play where you live" will die.

Husker1
Saratoga Springs, UT

IMO the UHSAA's own policies prove they are not serious about doing what is best for student-athletes. The academic eligibility requirements are a prime example. In most states, eligibility is checked weekly to ensure student-athletes are paying attention to the "student" part of school. In Utah, students only need to fail no more than one class at the end of a term to be eligible for the entire next term. What happens during the term is meaningless. I teach at a 4A school and I've seen our boys basketball program put a starting five on the floor that was failing ALL of their classes. How does that teach them responsibility and prepare them for college?

Of course, any coach who does require students to keep grades up throughout the term is considered mean and unreasonable, and risks losing players to other (more tolerant) coaches who have lower standards.

high school fan
Huntington, UT

It is impressive what Lone Peak has done, especially last season, with the home grown talent that they have played with year after year.

Uncle Sam
West Jordan, UT

Husker1 you forgot about football players that fail classes all year long and then attend summer school (taught by their own coaches in some cases) so they are eligible to play that fall again. Then when that team has success in the state tourney, they try to get teachers to allow those kids to play through the playoffs when winning/losing is at stake.

Flashy 27
South Jordan, UT

Lone peak isn't home grown shumway lived in south Jordan Hansen transferred mika transferred emery haws were held back and now frank Jackson decided to move to lone peak is this really fair to everyone else?

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