Published: Friday, Nov. 29 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
@jsf --"Why would a resume state they are gay. "In the Harvard study mentioned, two job resumes were sent out to prospective
employers with 1700 prospective job openings. The two resumes were identical,
except that one resume specifically listed experience as a treasurer in a gay
college campus organization, while the other merely referred to being involved
in a progressive student alliance.Et voila -- 40% difference in
interviews."The AMA has now identified obesity as a disease not
a choice. ""Disease" and "choice" are not
mutually exclusive categories. For example, lung cancer is a disease -- but
it's usually caused by the choice of smoking. Choices have
consequences. And sometimes those choices lead to disease."Spoken like a true bigot. "I guess you missed the part
where I very clearly indicated that I'm obese myself. I'm a realist --
not a bigot.Speaking of choices --I loudly applaud
people like Really, wendell, Ranch, QuercusQate, and everyone else who makes the
courageous choice to stand up and speak out for equal rights and their authentic
selves, despite the discrimination they have to face every day of their lives.
That choice makes an important difference in the real world.
"Disease" and "choice" are not mutually exclusive categories.
For example, lung cancer is a disease -- but it's usually caused by the
choice of smoking."My grandfather died of lung cancer, did not
smoke, my daughter who has never smoked is being monitored for lung cancer.
Your argument supports those who state, gay is a choice. And they bring
discrimination on them selves."Genetic" and "choice"
are not mutually exclusive categories." Nor are they mutually inclusive.There are those who are obese not by choice, because your obesity is by
choice doesn't negate those who are not by choice. My wife is dependent on
heart medication that has the main and top listed side effect of weight gain.
Her heart was not damaged by choice. Yes she is discriminated against often.
Your statement that they bring discrimination on themselves is the same bigotry
you claim to decry regarding the LGBT. Discrimination for any reason
@jsf;I don't "loathe" LDS members (the majority of my
family is LDS). But is really, really get tired of all the LDS holier than
thou-ness displayed on these DN threads. You guys can be really sick sometimes;
and the DN moderators have no problem letting LDS people say vile things about
others at all.
Ranch I was not referring to you, I apologize for that inference you took. It
was a statement by the person you were giving accolades to. His actual word used
was "loath". Please accept my apology. I agree it does tend to get a
little ideological in these postings.
@jsf --"My grandfather died of lung cancer..."I
guess you missed that part where I specifically said "usually". In fact, the American Lung Association reports that active smoking is
the cause of 90% of all lung cancer cases."Your argument
supports those who state, gay is a choice."Nope. Sexual
orientation is NOT a choice. Did you ever choose to be straight?And
if you insist that orientation is a choice, please present some evidence. Be
specific."There are those who are obese not by choice"In my earlier post I specifically stated that obesity is a choice
"in most cases".In fact, you seem to keep missing a lot of
the things that I write. Perhaps you should try reading more slowly.35% of the US population is now classified as obese. That percentage has risen
alarmingly in the last few decades. I assure you that 35% of the population
didn't suddenly contract some horrible disease that caused that obesity
epidemic. What they did do, however, is change their diets and activity
levels."Discrimination for any reason is wrong."Of course it is. And anti-gay-discrimination legislation will address one
target of that deplorable tendency to discriminate.
What kind of person refers to discrimination as a virtue? I don't
understand why so many people feel a need to degrade and discriminate? I grew up
Mormon. Any one of them can get in my face and say whatever they want. They know
it isn't right to treat us that way, but many do it anyway! I have had a
hard time, because growing up I always felt a wonderful bond to other members of
the Church and I still have a hard time seeing myself as an outsider. It is too
hard to be there! I have been fired and I was ridiculed. I was still active in
Church and I hadn't come out. During meetings in Church, they discussed my
sexuality and many horrible lies were accepted as truth. That discrimination
almost killed me! To this day it haunts me and I keep hoping for a day when I
can sit with friends and feel like one of them again. It will never happen!
There are no words to express how it feels for the people you love to treat you
like that! I would rather die than ever make somebody feel it!
Very good Emily! And I find that this is like a "skeleton in the closet"
with many people. They are scared of it (but don't like to talk about it
much). It's time that we do and try and make things fair for everyone in
As I have said before numerous times, ALL "anti-discrimination" laws
should be repealed. If someone wants to discriminate against another person for
whatever reason they choose, who are you to say they can not? Who are you to
force someone to provide a service to someone they choose not to?When does the victimhood end? How many special classes can we create?If someone wants to discriminate, they will no matter what a law says. People
can choose to do business with the company or not. Society may not
like discrimination but it has no business in outlawing it. Regarding many
different choices in life, there is no way to outlaw stupidity. Discrimination happens, will continue to happen and there is NOTHING that
anyone can do to stop it.ps, anyone see the update on the story
about the homosexual waitress who claimed a couple stiffed her on the tip
because of her behavior? In case you missed it - the story was bogus.
@Charles S --" If someone wants to discriminate against another
person for whatever reason they choose, who are you to say they can not?
"It's the Constitution that says they can not. Do the words
"all men are created equal" and "Equal Protection Clause" ring
any bells?"If someone wants to discriminate, they will no matter
what a law says. "And if someone wants to commit murder, they
will do so no matter what a law says. Shall we therefore repeal all murder
laws?"ps, anyone see the update on the story about the
homosexual waitress who claimed a couple stiffed her on the tip because of her
behavior? In case you missed it - the story was bogus."She was
one waitress riding on the coattails of other stiffed waiters. That same
experience has happened to multiple others. Look up the case at a Carabba's
in Kansas for just one recent example. The customers wrote "we cannot in
good conscience tip you, for your homosexual lifestyle is an affront to God"
on their receipt.
MachadoSouth Jordan, UT1:29 p.m. Nov. 29, 2013I'm just wondering when discrimination became the "greatest of all
sins" in our society.[Look no further than Nazi Germany -
1936-1945 The end of Ether, and the Book of Mormon -- 2 once great
civiizations, destroyed by civil war => divided by; education, culture, and
class.]I can remember when discrimination was a virtue. It was an
indication of education, culture, and class.[Discrimination has
NEVER been a virtue, EVER!]
Charles SFreedomville, AZAs I have said before numerous times, ALL
"anti-discrimination" laws should be repealed. If someone wants to
discriminate against another person for whatever reason they choose, who are you
to say they can not? Who are you to force someone to provide a service to
someone they choose not to?====== Who are you?the
From article: "In fact, four in 10 LGBT Utahns report having faced
discrimination from employers and landlords."HOW (for the
millionth time) HOW can the employers and landlords even know someone is LGBT??
Yup. There can't be any discrimination if people
keep personal details to themselves. In some states, where they are not
considered the same as everyone else, and are not appreciated, Mormons have
learned to keep their religion quietly to themselves so as not to offend others
and invite discrimination.The LGBT community would be wise to take a
page out of that playbook. No one can object to, or discriminate
against, something that is not broadcast.......
Let's be real here - none of us like the idea of working with Brenda who
used to be Bob. I have had that experience and it creates a hostile work
environment especially when Brenda decides to use the girls bath room and the
company has to comply. Lots of women running out of the bathroom screaming. It
sounds doable on paper but the implementation is the problem. It was down right
creepy having to work along side Brenda - especially when I had worked with Bob
for years. Everyone avoided any assignment with Brenda and for good reason.
There are some things you just can't force political correctness upon and
expect it to work. Normal people in the work force should have protections too!!
@windsor;Let me guess, you never, ever, ever talk about your spouse
or family at work, right? Why should we be required to remain silent about our
families when you don't?Mormons keep quiet about their religion
at work? Ha! What planet do you live on?
Yup Ranch, you got it. Don't wear a wedding ring, don't have a picture
of the spouse and kids on the desk. And not one person at my work knows I'm
a Mormon. Though my state on these DesNews comment boards says Utah, I have
moved and am living in the Bible Belt now. Not a lot of love for Mormons here.
So I stand by my post. There is no law that we disclose many
personal things about ourselves. And religion and sexual orientation are
thankfully among those that we may reveal as we wish.I would face
discrimination revealing my religion. Yet I am smart enough to figure this
and and therefore do not.LGBT's have the same choice.
@windsorAre you saying I should not be allowed to talk about my spouse at
work?Recently I was called into a meeting with a Manager. It was
clearly a serious issue as he had traveled from SLC. Apparently someone reported
that I had an inappropriate and offensive picture in my office. I vehemently
denied that this was the case, but he insisted I let him enter my office to look
for himself. Of course I obliged.He found the picture - it was a
photo of myself and my spouse in Disneyland. My arm was around his shoulder,
but it was not inappropriate. Nearly every worker in the office has a similar
picture of their spouse on their desk. The Manager suggested I take
it home as it might make some people uncomfortable. I asked if he was going to
require all workers to do the same thing with their photos.he said "no"
and again asked me to take it home. I contacted HR and shortly
thereafter received an apology from the manager. He said he was wrong and that
the issue had been forgotten. The picture is still on my desk and will remain
If this law passes, I am sure that no high school or college boy would ever
think to say he is transgender just so he could go into the women's
bathroom, or use it as an excuse when he gets caught.(please note
that the above statement is dripping with sarcasm)....
@RedWings --"I am sure that no high school or college boy would
ever think to say he is transgender just so he could go into the women's
bathroom, or use it as an excuse when he gets caught."If you
seriously believe that any high school boy is going to assure the ridicule of
his entire class by consistently dressing and acting like a girl just so he can
switch bathrooms, then you have obviously forgotten what it's like to be in
ContrariusYou might want to brush up on what the definition of
"discrimination" is under the EEOC and Civil Rights act Especially here
in Utah.In Utah, a person can be fired for any reason. If the boss
don't like his hair color? he can fire him without cause. Why? because we
are a right to work state.Most employment discrimination cases
don't have merit because of the level of proof the EEOC requires to prove
it. Is it moral? No, but it is not under the official definition of
discrimination.Why would we in Utah have "Gay rights"? There
are plenty of laws on the books to protect them, just like it protect me. So why
do these groups expect special treatment?
@Confused --"brush up on what the definition of
"discrimination" is...."From the EEOC: "The EEOC
enforces Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964...which prohibits employment
discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, and national origin;
the Equal Pay Act of 1963...which prohibits sex-based wage discrimination
between employees who otherwise perform substantially equal work in the same
establishment; the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967...which forbids
employers from discriminating against persons age 40 and over on the basis of
their age; the Americans with Disabilities Act...which bars employment
discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities on the basis of
their disabilities; and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973...which prohibits
disability discrimination in federal employment."Further:
"...employment discrimination means taking any adverse employment action
against an employee because of his or her race, color, sex, religion, national
origin, age or disability. An adverse action may involve any aspect of
employment, including hiring, firing, promotion, pay, and all other terms or
conditions of employment. "Exactly what part do you believe I
have misunderstood?"In Utah, a person can be fired for any
reason."That's simply not true. Refer back to the EEOC
DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.— About comments