Comments about ‘Pope's 'Apostolic Exhortation' seen by many as veer to the left’

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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 27 2013 3:15 p.m. MST

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Commodore
West Jordan, UT

This Pope makes a lot of sense when he is speaking about taking care of the poor and economics.

rightascension
Provo, UT

This is a reoccurring theme of popes. Pope John Paul II had a lot of negative things to say about capitalism -- and then it got worse, and Pope Francis had to take up the theme again.

John T
Scranton, PA

While I believe the Pope is quite correct in pointing out the growing disparity between the rich and poor, it would also seem that he is hinting at a one-size-fits-all wealth redistribution program ala Obama's idealistic view. Obama has openly said that he believes in government-forced redistribution of wealth, making everyone "equal." The problem is, it will never work - and I also do not believe that it is biblical. While the Bible does teach us to look after those in need, it also teaches the healthy concepts of work. The idealistic utopian society which Obama and other progressives are attempting to force on America these days will never work, and has never worked. History is littered with failed attempts at Utopia, including all forms of communism and socialism. America has always been at her best when her people were allowed to flourish with little government interference, and when the great majority of her people are doing well, they are exceedingly generous to those in need. Indeed, America was built on altruistic ideas which can be traced back to the Bible. Would that our current leadership learn this lesson.

CBAX
Provo, UT

Capitalism allows the best and worst to come out in humanity. Innovation and advances in technology are accompanied by billions of dollars of greed for vice, money, and essentially power.

Socialism and Communism bring out the mediocrity in humanity.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

John T: "Obama has openly said that he believes in government-forced redistribution of wealth, making everyone 'equal.'"

Complete baloney.

You do know the difference between a call for equal opportunity, and a call for equal outcomes, right?

This Pope is behaving a lot more like a Christian than many of the folks here in the US who claim to be Christians.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

John T: Obama has openly said that he believes in government-forced redistribution of wealth, making everyone "equal."

That only happened in your imagination. The president has never, ever, said that.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The right's heading out into lala land. We need to stay left of that.

mcdugall
Murray, UT

@John T - The Government already has a wealth redistribution system in place in the form of corporate welfare. People, rather than huge corporations and the Uber wealthy, could share in the savings of removing corporate welfare in the form of tax breaks or expanded government programs.

Northwest Reader
Vancouver, WA

Are there truths in what the Pope has said? He is quoted as saying, "While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially,so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few." I have heard this same idea stated in various other publications as well.

On the other hand, the author has provided a great service in including the Tim Worstall quote, "it's entirely true that the already rich, that top 2 or 3 percent, have done very well. But the vast majority of the newly created wealth of the past 25 years has gone to those in the 5 to 75th percentiles of the income distribution. This is, thankfully, the poor getting rich."

So is it possible that both of these conditions are true or is one being less than accurate?

Regardless, does the Pope know what should be done? Where is the bright shining beacon to equality? If we look at economic equality in his home country of Argentina, we find the lowest inequality of Latin American countries. Unfortunately, we also find that over 20% of the population live below the poverty line.

Bob K
porland, OR

Odd headline -- unfortunately, perhaps symptomatic of the DN's constantly picking topics to please the older, less urban, less flexible readers.

I would have chosen "Pope Decides to Correct the Course of Catholic Church, Which Has Veered off the Road to the Right"
--- and, I would add, away from what Jesus called for

All large churches are in danger of being ruled by their bureaucracy and of not listening to younger members' thoughts.

maclouie
Falconer, NY

Roland Kayser and Blue:

About redistribution - "The president has never, ever, said that."

Obviously, you have not heard everything Obama has ever said. Unless the audio/video clips were "photoshopped" you are the only one(s) saying he never said that or it's baloney. Even Obama has not denied saying those things about redistribution. The cave must be cozy.

John T
Scranton, PA

Roland, I respectfully disagree. Obama speaks of wealth redistribution, sponsored by government, in his book, "Dreams of my Father." There are several tapes of him as a congressman saying explicitly that he believes in redistribution. The cameras and microphones do not lie, friend. Obama is a socialist, plain and simple.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ John T.
You wrote: " Obama is a socialist, plain and simple."

and that would be bad because....?

I don't know if President Obama considers himself a socialist or not. But definitely he is leaning more to offer a more fair access to the opportunities to improve yourself. I have heard the President and the First Lady talking to young people about responsibility and challenging themselves to become self sufficient and contributing members of society.

The Pope on the other hand talks about the naivete of those believing that trickle down economics will impact society raising a tide that will lift all boats. It failed with Ronald Reagan, when we suffered a serious recession that made George Bush Sr. a one term president. It failed with George W. Bush when the rich became richer, the poor became poorer and the country is still recuperating from the worst recession since the great depression.

Do I need to point out that we are coming out of this desperate situation under the leadership of President Obama?

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Anybody who believes that Socialism is better than liberty, redistribution of weatlh is better than protection of Constitutional rights, and government welfare is better than Godly charity doesn't understand freedom and has given up independence for security, the same trap that Germany fell into before Hitler took over. The biggest problem we have today is a left that wants government and private enterprise merged, as is the case, to solve social problems. So, in essence, it is the elimination of everything private. To the Roland Kaisers and LDS Liberals of the this world: You can't have liberty by taking it all away.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

300 pages in the declaration? Wow, that's astounding! Looks like having over 2000 pages in the ACA has started a world trend towards verboseness.

It is hardly news that Pope Francis is an economic liberal. He seems to be surprisingly moderate on social issues. I would very much like to see a synopsis of what he talked about in the other 287 pages.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

NO doubt capitalism and a free markete economy should be monitored by the government. Now the government does too much and is strangling our economy. The pope is quite in error here. The trickle down theory is not the cause of poverty. It is lack of private property rights and all that entails such as low and simple tax structure, the rule of law, an effective, but innoffensive bureaucracy that is not overbearing. The job of the economy is to put people to work. The Pope knows nothing about economies.

Sorry Charlie!
SLC, UT

@john t
what video? please direct us to any video of Obama making such claims. I have heard audio files that people claim is obama which interestingly cuts off have way through a sentence leaving no context or any evidence that it is even Obama speaking.

sukiyhtaky
us, CA

And we all know how well that 'everyone is equal' thing did in Russia. Taking care of the poor is a wonderful and necessary thing. Creating multi-generational welfare dependance is racial and class discrimination at its worst.

Bob K
porland, OR

John T
Scranton, PA
While I believe the Pope is quite correct in pointing out the growing disparity between the rich and poor, it would also seem that he is hinting at a one-size-fits-all wealth redistribution program ala Obama's idealistic view. Obama has openly said that he believes in government-forced redistribution of wealth, making everyone 'equal'

.....The problem is -- if you only watch Fox News (perpetrated by the Australian Murdoch) and similar right-wing sources, and, especially, if you believe that a Black President makes taking care of the Blacks #1, you can interpret Pres. Obama that odd way, then go along and imagine that the pope is saying what you have been told Obama is saying.

I keep pointing out that this website belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints, but some commenters want to align with an imaginary church which is against some people and some causes. Jesus Christ was against no one who was being honest and respecting God.

Jesus never said anything remotely resembling the delusional and meanspirited attitudes I read in some of the comments here.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

maclouie: "Obviously, you have not heard everything Obama has ever said. Unless the audio/video clips were "photoshopped" you are the only one(s) saying he never said that or it's baloney. Even Obama has not denied saying those things about redistribution. "

Here you had a perfect opportunity to do what the burden of proof in these situations requires of you - to provide the evidence that you claim you have, but you didn't.

I think that says a lot.

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