What about that redistribution of Wealth?maclouieFalconer,NYAboutredistribution -JohnTScranton, PAObamaspeaks of wealthredistribution- bandersenSaintGeorge,
UT"THE EXPERIENCE OF MANKIND has shown that the people... among
whom wealth is the most equally distributed, enjoy the largest degree of
liberty, are the least exposed to tyranny and oppression and suffer the
least..." "ONE OF THE GREAT EVILS with which our own nation
is menaced at the present time is the wonderful growth of wealth in the hands of
a comparatively few individuals. Our very liberties...are endangered by the
monstrous power which this accumulation of wealth gives to a few individuals and
a few powerful corporations." "If this evil should not be
checked, and measures not taken to prevent the continued enormous growth of
riches among the class already rich, and the painful increase of destitution and
want among the poor, the nation is likely to be overtaken by disaster;...the
sure precursor of ruin." ~ LDS Church FirstPresidency.If Obama is a "Socialist", what does that make us?BTW - bandersenthe 'trap' that Germany fell into
was a hatred and discrimination.Communists, Liberals,
Homosexuals, Jews, illegal immigrants, the poor and the
homeless, ...the victims of the Holocaust.
BlueI don't have to prove anything. Seldom are things
"proved" in posts such as these. Truthseeker did a good job giving you
an example if you believe what he posted. If you don't believe then nothing
can be proven. Discussions such as these reveal the biases of personal beliefs
and lack of familiarity of world events. Obviously, you have forgotten about Joe
the Plumber. Again, nothing proven but when someone says "Obama never said
it" there is something Roland and Blue (0h! that's you!) has
forgotten.Truthseeker has posted an example but claims it was taken
out of context, I don't know what he is talking about. Obama said in that
which was quoted: "I believe in redistribution". Sorry, regardless of
the rest of the paragraph, Obama said what he said and he said it many times on
other occasions. You don't have to believe it, you just need to get
informed. Just as he said there are 57 states. Anybody put that on their resume
would not have been hired by me. Only qualified people should be hired for a
The socialism spin damaged by tea party failure and improving economy. By the
way China, soon to be biggest economy is controlled by a communist party that is
traced to Mao Tse Tung.
Obama does believe in a certain level of redistribution so that people have
equal opportunity to fulfill the measure of their creation. He has never
advicated for assisting people so they can simply live off the dole. Republicans/Conservatives and their sources, of course, have used various
methods to distort/misrepresent/lie about who Obama is and what he advocates,
including taking selected clips of speeches etc, removed from their context.
One such speech was from 1998, when Obama was a Senator. I could not post the
entire speech, but this contains a sentence often clipped for use."I think there have to be technical issues that have to be dealt with as
opposed to just political issues, how do we structure government systems that
pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution, because I actually
believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that
everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we
decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in
the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be
tailored to particular communities.”
maclouie: "Obviously, you have not heard everything Obama has ever said.
Unless the audio/video clips were "photoshopped" you are the only one(s)
saying he never said that or it's baloney. Even Obama has not denied saying
those things about redistribution. "Here you had a perfect
opportunity to do what the burden of proof in these situations requires of you -
to provide the evidence that you claim you have, but you didn't. I think that says a lot.
John TScranton, PAWhile I believe the Pope is quite correct in
pointing out the growing disparity between the rich and poor, it would also seem
that he is hinting at a one-size-fits-all wealth redistribution program ala
Obama's idealistic view. Obama has openly said that he believes in
government-forced redistribution of wealth, making everyone 'equal'
.....The problem is -- if you only watch Fox News (perpetrated by
the Australian Murdoch) and similar right-wing sources, and, especially, if you
believe that a Black President makes taking care of the Blacks #1, you can
interpret Pres. Obama that odd way, then go along and imagine that the pope is
saying what you have been told Obama is saying.I keep pointing out
that this website belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day
Saints, but some commenters want to align with an imaginary church which is
against some people and some causes. Jesus Christ was against no one who was
being honest and respecting God.Jesus never said anything remotely
resembling the delusional and meanspirited attitudes I read in some of the
And we all know how well that 'everyone is equal' thing did in Russia.
Taking care of the poor is a wonderful and necessary thing. Creating
multi-generational welfare dependance is racial and class discrimination at its
@john twhat video? please direct us to any video of Obama making such
claims. I have heard audio files that people claim is obama which interestingly
cuts off have way through a sentence leaving no context or any evidence that it
is even Obama speaking.
NO doubt capitalism and a free markete economy should be monitored by the
government. Now the government does too much and is strangling our economy.
The pope is quite in error here. The trickle down theory is not the cause of
poverty. It is lack of private property rights and all that entails such as low
and simple tax structure, the rule of law, an effective, but innoffensive
bureaucracy that is not overbearing. The job of the economy is to put people to
work. The Pope knows nothing about economies.
300 pages in the declaration? Wow, that's astounding! Looks like having
over 2000 pages in the ACA has started a world trend towards verboseness.It is hardly news that Pope Francis is an economic liberal. He seems to
be surprisingly moderate on social issues. I would very much like to see a
synopsis of what he talked about in the other 287 pages.
Anybody who believes that Socialism is better than liberty, redistribution of
weatlh is better than protection of Constitutional rights, and government
welfare is better than Godly charity doesn't understand freedom and has
given up independence for security, the same trap that Germany fell into before
Hitler took over. The biggest problem we have today is a left that wants
government and private enterprise merged, as is the case, to solve social
problems. So, in essence, it is the elimination of everything private. To the
Roland Kaisers and LDS Liberals of the this world: You can't have liberty
by taking it all away.
@ John T.You wrote: " Obama is a socialist, plain and simple."and that would be bad because....?I don't know if
President Obama considers himself a socialist or not. But definitely he is
leaning more to offer a more fair access to the opportunities to improve
yourself. I have heard the President and the First Lady talking to young people
about responsibility and challenging themselves to become self sufficient and
contributing members of society.The Pope on the other hand talks
about the naivete of those believing that trickle down economics will impact
society raising a tide that will lift all boats. It failed with Ronald Reagan,
when we suffered a serious recession that made George Bush Sr. a one term
president. It failed with George W. Bush when the rich became richer, the poor
became poorer and the country is still recuperating from the worst recession
since the great depression.Do I need to point out that we are coming
out of this desperate situation under the leadership of President Obama?
Roland, I respectfully disagree. Obama speaks of wealth redistribution,
sponsored by government, in his book, "Dreams of my Father." There are
several tapes of him as a congressman saying explicitly that he believes in
redistribution. The cameras and microphones do not lie, friend. Obama is a
socialist, plain and simple.
Roland Kayser and Blue:About redistribution - "The president has
never, ever, said that."Obviously, you have not heard everything
Obama has ever said. Unless the audio/video clips were "photoshopped"
you are the only one(s) saying he never said that or it's baloney. Even
Obama has not denied saying those things about redistribution. The cave must be
Odd headline -- unfortunately, perhaps symptomatic of the DN's constantly
picking topics to please the older, less urban, less flexible readers.I would have chosen "Pope Decides to Correct the Course of Catholic
Church, Which Has Veered off the Road to the Right" --- and, I would
add, away from what Jesus called forAll large churches are in danger
of being ruled by their bureaucracy and of not listening to younger
Are there truths in what the Pope has said? He is quoted as saying, "While
the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially,so too is the gap
separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few." I
have heard this same idea stated in various other publications as well. On the other hand, the author has provided a great service in including
the Tim Worstall quote, "it's entirely true that the already rich, that
top 2 or 3 percent, have done very well. But the vast majority of the newly
created wealth of the past 25 years has gone to those in the 5 to 75th
percentiles of the income distribution. This is, thankfully, the poor getting
rich." So is it possible that both of these conditions are true
or is one being less than accurate?Regardless, does the Pope know
what should be done? Where is the bright shining beacon to equality? If we look
at economic equality in his home country of Argentina, we find the lowest
inequality of Latin American countries. Unfortunately, we also find that over
20% of the population live below the poverty line.
@John T - The Government already has a wealth redistribution system in place in
the form of corporate welfare. People, rather than huge corporations and the
Uber wealthy, could share in the savings of removing corporate welfare in the
form of tax breaks or expanded government programs.
The right's heading out into lala land. We need to stay left of that.
John T: Obama has openly said that he believes in government-forced
redistribution of wealth, making everyone "equal." That only
happened in your imagination. The president has never, ever, said that.
John T: "Obama has openly said that he believes in government-forced
redistribution of wealth, making everyone 'equal.'"Complete baloney. You do know the difference between a call for
equal opportunity, and a call for equal outcomes, right? This Pope
is behaving a lot more like a Christian than many of the folks here in the US
who claim to be Christians.
Capitalism allows the best and worst to come out in humanity. Innovation and
advances in technology are accompanied by billions of dollars of greed for vice,
money, and essentially power. Socialism and Communism bring out the
mediocrity in humanity.
While I believe the Pope is quite correct in pointing out the growing disparity
between the rich and poor, it would also seem that he is hinting at a
one-size-fits-all wealth redistribution program ala Obama's idealistic
view. Obama has openly said that he believes in government-forced
redistribution of wealth, making everyone "equal." The problem is, it
will never work - and I also do not believe that it is biblical. While the Bible
does teach us to look after those in need, it also teaches the healthy concepts
of work. The idealistic utopian society which Obama and other progressives are
attempting to force on America these days will never work, and has never worked.
History is littered with failed attempts at Utopia, including all forms of
communism and socialism. America has always been at her best when her people
were allowed to flourish with little government interference, and when the great
majority of her people are doing well, they are exceedingly generous to those in
need. Indeed, America was built on altruistic ideas which can be traced back to
the Bible. Would that our current leadership learn this lesson.
This is a reoccurring theme of popes. Pope John Paul II had a lot of negative
things to say about capitalism -- and then it got worse, and Pope Francis had to
take up the theme again.
This Pope makes a lot of sense when he is speaking about taking care of the poor