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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 27 2013 4:15 p.m. MST

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StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

FAX: "In other words, BYU and Michigan are two 'really, really difficult games' and the Utes are too chicken to play two 'really, really difficult' OOC games in the same season."

Actually, judging by recent seasons, BYU would be the easiest non-conference game. Fresno has been better than BYU the last two years. And no, there are no teams that schedule 100% of their non-conference slate that difficult. Would I exchange BYU for Fresno? Gladly. But I don't make those decisions. Weak argument, though, on your part.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

My goodness byu fans continue to amaze. Their (byu fans) never ending obsession over Utah is truly mind boggling. Even as Utah St is now demanding (and receiving) home and home arrangements with byu, you believe that Utah should be interested in byu, why? Independence is taking you people down the path to no where but holmoe is doing a marvelous sales job. You people need to accept the fact that Utah's competition is the Pac-12. They (Utah) will schedule their out of conference games as they see fit without remorse or compunction of its affect on byu. No explanations, apologies, or excuses necessary.

For his part, Holmoe will salute and say..."thank you."

Good to see that DE will stay with the Utes. Maybe he can exert his vast experience and influence on Coach Whittingham to shake the position coaching staff.

Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

So what are Erickson and company doing with all their extra time these holidays? Bowling at Brunswick? Watching byu and Utah state play football? Put PAC 12 stickers in more places? All of the above?

Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

I love that ute "fans" are consumed by thinking about byu, on both byu and Utah articles. Thanks ute "fans" for the interest. Happy bowl-less holidays!

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

"So what are Erickson and company doing with all their extra time these holidays?"

Hopefully doing some serious recruiting.

It's always good to have the coug fans stop by. Maybe after taking the two years off that were dictated by Utah, you people will begin to realize that our (Utah's) competition is the Pac-12.

CougarSunDevil
Phoenix, AZ

Yes StGtoSLC, ONE game that was an FCS school, just like everyone else not called USC and Notre Dame. Utah's ooc games were Utah state, BYU, and Weber St. Three cupcakes and gimme games as Utah fans like to say, and you still didn't make a bowl game. Do Utah fans really want to compare ooc schedules? We just scheduled Texas A&M. You just scheduled Fresno state...way to go.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

StGtoSLC

"Judging by recent seasons" is irrelevant.

Try to understand the timeline here.

Hill didn't even know who he was going to replace BYU with for 2014 and 2015, all we know is that Hill was afraid that by scheduling BYU, he would be over-scheduling the Utes.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

CSD, did I call BYU and USU cupcakes? No. I never did because BYU is always a pretty good team, and USU is a good team when they have had Chuckie Keeton playing. However, you're changing your own argument. You tried supporting the claim that Utah is afraid of playing BYU in 2014 (NOT this year, when they played BYU and USU), so they need 1 FCS team, by citing ASU's 2013 schedule which INCLUDES 1 FCS team. Your argument is all over the place and makes no sense. You may as well just say "ASU and BYU are my favorite teams so they're awesome and I hate Utah so they stink!"

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

FAX, any realistic follower of college football knows that game series agreements aren't made overnight. Just because it hadn't been announced before BYU not being scheduled doesn't mean Utah didn't already have the Fresno series in place. In fact, that's the number one argument used to explain BYU's schedule to start out their independence: schedules have to be made YEARS in advance and they had to throw together whomever they could find in one year, despite the assertion that independence had been planned for years before it being announced.

CougarSunDevil
Phoenix, AZ

Why do almost every Utah fan automatically go to the "everyone else hates Utah" line? I make a valid point and cite some examples and you'd think, because I didn't align every thing just so, you'd think I cancelled Christmas. Enough is enough, I'm out. I'll leave Utah to their poor picked on selves.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Please, what valid point did you make? You made a self-contradicting argument and had it exposed. You then tried to pin something on me I never said and were exposed again. I don't blame you for taking your ball and going home.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

StGSLC:
The valid point he makes is this: ASU OOC schedule, ND, Wisconsin, Sac State...Utah's OOC BYU, USU, Weber State. You don't see the point of that? If you don't than no amount of explaining will help.

MyPerspective:
No your competition isn't the PAC12, they just want U to believe it is so you stick around to fatten up the elite programs. I doubt most of the power teams in the PAC look at U as "competition".

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

StGtoSLC
LOL! CougarSunDevil is an unhappy byu fan hiding behind and masquerading as someone associated with the Pac-12. I would be unhappy too if I felt obligated to support the cougs but really wanted to support a team in the Pac-12.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Cougsndawgs, if you look back, CougarSunDevil tried to justify calling Utah's 2014-15 scheduling scared of BYU because it will include Michigan, Fresno State (two good teams) and an FCS team by comparing it to ASU's 2013 schedule, which also has two good teams and an FCS team. Is ASU's 2013 schedule a little bit better than Utah's? It would appear so, but not by the margin he attempted to make it appear. And are you calling BYU and USU (with Chuckie Keeton) marginally bad teams compared Wisconsin and Notre Dame? If so, then that's just a difference in opinion between you and I.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Cougsndawgs

MyPerspective:
No your competition isn't the PAC12, they just want U to believe it is so you stick around to fatten up the elite programs. I doubt most of the power teams in the PAC look at U as "competition".

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If so then the same is true for BYU against Utah and other Big 5 teams since you have a losing record against both.

Since 2011 vs non-Big 5 teams:
Utah 8-1
BYU 19-2

Since 2011 vs Big 5 teams:
Utah 8-18
BYU 6-10 (Utah was 18-12 playing 2-3 BCS teams per season)

Sinc3 2011 head-to-head:
Utah 3
BYU 0

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Yes, I'm saying BYU and USU don't compare to ND and Wisconsin at this point. I also thought you were just comparing 2013 schedules, so I apologize for the misunderstanding there. Michigan and Fresno State are formidable opponents...well Fresno won't have Carr next year so not so much for them. Fresno also only beat Boise by a point at home, so I do believe BYU is a better team than they are, so it would make sense for Utah to play Fresno rather than BYU when Michigan is already on the schedule. I think an ADs job is to get great competition but have a reasonable schedule in terms of difficulty, and I think that's why Hill scheduled the way he did in 2014...I don't think it had anything to do with fear of any opponent (Holmoe does the same thing), so I agree with you on that point.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

As to coaches and jobs. Let's be a little realistic. Utah, the state, is a passing through state as far as coaching jobs go unless you have a tie-in. For BYU it is the Church. For the U and USU, unless you are alumni or have family in the area, the coaching positions here are places that you take with which you build a resume for a better job elsewhere. See the two previous coaches at both schools for example.

IMO Coach Whittingham is a good coach and will do well over time.

Utah's realistic goal is to be respectable and middle of the pack, and unless the West coast falls into the Pacific, they will not consistently get the top high school players in sufficient quantity to rise to the top on a consistent basis.

The Y will attract some Mormon kids but not all of them. They, too, will be competitive and respectable but a BCS championship game? Not gonna happen.

Look at intercollegiate sports as entertainment, fun for fall afternoons (and cold nights thanks to ESPN). Enjoy, rejoice and mourn to your hearts content. Life is more than football, apologies to Vince Lombardi.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Uteology:
So BYU has a better record against Big 5 teams since 2011. Thanks for that info...and don't try and sell us on the "we were better against them when we were only playing 2-3 of them per year". If you decide to take that road than you minimize and diminish all Utah accomplished before they were in the PAC...and that would be bad seeing as how they've done nothing since joining.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Cougsndawgs, thank you, we have some common ground there. As for Fresno post-Carr, that's probably a safe assumption, but I don't know anything about the QB talent behind him or incoming, but I do know that they have a great offensive system and some very skilled receivers running it, so who knows for sure.

Regarding your response to Uteology, I will concede Utah has underperformed in quite a few games in the last two years (and the CU game two years ago), but the grind of a BCS schedule cannot be overstated. I think you understand that as a UGA fan as well.

Hawk
Littleton, CO

Sorry, I'm just not seeing the "great changes" in the Erickson offense as compared to last year's offense. Yes, Wilson was hurt, but what happened to those "3 PAC12 caliber QBs" we heard about at the beginning of the season? And none of the amazing stable of running backs ever stepped up to be a consistent 3-down performer. And Murphy's injury revealed that the "PAC12 depth" is still a work in progress. And Dres Anderson definitely regressed this season with FAR too many drops. And where were the rest of the recievers? How's Roderick working out for ya? Excuses? Maybe, but I would be VERY cautious about banking on Dennis (at retirement age) building this offense into a PAC contender. And just one word for those speculating that D Erickson will replace Kyle as the next head coach at Utah -- seriously???

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