Sorry, I'm just not seeing the "great changes" in the Erickson
offense as compared to last year's offense. Yes, Wilson was hurt, but what
happened to those "3 PAC12 caliber QBs" we heard about at the beginning
of the season? And none of the amazing stable of running backs ever stepped up
to be a consistent 3-down performer. And Murphy's injury revealed that the
"PAC12 depth" is still a work in progress. And Dres Anderson definitely
regressed this season with FAR too many drops. And where were the rest of the
recievers? How's Roderick working out for ya? Excuses? Maybe, but I
would be VERY cautious about banking on Dennis (at retirement age) building this
offense into a PAC contender. And just one word for those speculating that D
Erickson will replace Kyle as the next head coach at Utah -- seriously???
Cougsndawgs, thank you, we have some common ground there. As for Fresno
post-Carr, that's probably a safe assumption, but I don't know
anything about the QB talent behind him or incoming, but I do know that they
have a great offensive system and some very skilled receivers running it, so who
knows for sure.Regarding your response to Uteology, I will concede
Utah has underperformed in quite a few games in the last two years (and the CU
game two years ago), but the grind of a BCS schedule cannot be overstated. I
think you understand that as a UGA fan as well.
Uteology:So BYU has a better record against Big 5 teams since 2011. Thanks
for that info...and don't try and sell us on the "we were better
against them when we were only playing 2-3 of them per year". If you decide
to take that road than you minimize and diminish all Utah accomplished before
they were in the PAC...and that would be bad seeing as how they've done
nothing since joining.
As to coaches and jobs. Let's be a little realistic. Utah, the state, is a
passing through state as far as coaching jobs go unless you have a tie-in. For
BYU it is the Church. For the U and USU, unless you are alumni or have family
in the area, the coaching positions here are places that you take with which you
build a resume for a better job elsewhere. See the two previous coaches at both
schools for example.IMO Coach Whittingham is a good coach and will
do well over time. Utah's realistic goal is to be respectable
and middle of the pack, and unless the West coast falls into the Pacific, they
will not consistently get the top high school players in sufficient quantity to
rise to the top on a consistent basis.The Y will attract some Mormon
kids but not all of them. They, too, will be competitive and respectable but a
BCS championship game? Not gonna happen.Look at intercollegiate
sports as entertainment, fun for fall afternoons (and cold nights thanks to
ESPN). Enjoy, rejoice and mourn to your hearts content. Life is more than
football, apologies to Vince Lombardi.
Yes, I'm saying BYU and USU don't compare to ND and Wisconsin at this
point. I also thought you were just comparing 2013 schedules, so I apologize for
the misunderstanding there. Michigan and Fresno State are formidable
opponents...well Fresno won't have Carr next year so not so much for them.
Fresno also only beat Boise by a point at home, so I do believe BYU is a better
team than they are, so it would make sense for Utah to play Fresno rather than
BYU when Michigan is already on the schedule. I think an ADs job is to get great
competition but have a reasonable schedule in terms of difficulty, and I think
that's why Hill scheduled the way he did in 2014...I don't think it
had anything to do with fear of any opponent (Holmoe does the same thing), so I
agree with you on that point.
@CougsndawgsMyPerspective:No your competition isn't the
PAC12, they just want U to believe it is so you stick around to fatten up the
elite programs. I doubt most of the power teams in the PAC look at U as
"competition".-----------If so then the same is
true for BYU against Utah and other Big 5 teams since you have a losing record
against both.Since 2011 vs non-Big 5 teams:Utah 8-1BYU
19-2Since 2011 vs Big 5 teams:Utah 8-18 BYU 6-10 (Utah
was 18-12 playing 2-3 BCS teams per season)Sinc3 2011
head-to-head:Utah 3BYU 0
Cougsndawgs, if you look back, CougarSunDevil tried to justify calling
Utah's 2014-15 scheduling scared of BYU because it will include Michigan,
Fresno State (two good teams) and an FCS team by comparing it to ASU's 2013
schedule, which also has two good teams and an FCS team. Is ASU's 2013
schedule a little bit better than Utah's? It would appear so, but not by
the margin he attempted to make it appear. And are you calling BYU and USU (with
Chuckie Keeton) marginally bad teams compared Wisconsin and Notre Dame? If so,
then that's just a difference in opinion between you and I.
StGtoSLCLOL! CougarSunDevil is an unhappy byu fan hiding behind and
masquerading as someone associated with the Pac-12. I would be unhappy too if I
felt obligated to support the cougs but really wanted to support a team in the
StGSLC:The valid point he makes is this: ASU OOC schedule, ND, Wisconsin,
Sac State...Utah's OOC BYU, USU, Weber State. You don't see the point
of that? If you don't than no amount of explaining will help.MyPerspective:No your competition isn't the PAC12, they just want U
to believe it is so you stick around to fatten up the elite programs. I doubt
most of the power teams in the PAC look at U as "competition".
Please, what valid point did you make? You made a self-contradicting argument
and had it exposed. You then tried to pin something on me I never said and were
exposed again. I don't blame you for taking your ball and going home.
Why do almost every Utah fan automatically go to the "everyone else hates
Utah" line? I make a valid point and cite some examples and you'd
think, because I didn't align every thing just so, you'd think I
cancelled Christmas. Enough is enough, I'm out. I'll leave Utah to
their poor picked on selves.
FAX, any realistic follower of college football knows that game series
agreements aren't made overnight. Just because it hadn't been
announced before BYU not being scheduled doesn't mean Utah didn't
already have the Fresno series in place. In fact, that's the number one
argument used to explain BYU's schedule to start out their independence:
schedules have to be made YEARS in advance and they had to throw together
whomever they could find in one year, despite the assertion that independence
had been planned for years before it being announced.
CSD, did I call BYU and USU cupcakes? No. I never did because BYU is always a
pretty good team, and USU is a good team when they have had Chuckie Keeton
playing. However, you're changing your own argument. You tried supporting
the claim that Utah is afraid of playing BYU in 2014 (NOT this year, when they
played BYU and USU), so they need 1 FCS team, by citing ASU's 2013 schedule
which INCLUDES 1 FCS team. Your argument is all over the place and makes no
sense. You may as well just say "ASU and BYU are my favorite teams so
they're awesome and I hate Utah so they stink!"
StGtoSLC"Judging by recent seasons" is irrelevant.Try to understand the timeline here.Hill didn't even know who
he was going to replace BYU with for 2014 and 2015, all we know is that Hill was
afraid that by scheduling BYU, he would be over-scheduling the Utes.
Yes StGtoSLC, ONE game that was an FCS school, just like everyone else not
called USC and Notre Dame. Utah's ooc games were Utah state, BYU, and Weber
St. Three cupcakes and gimme games as Utah fans like to say, and you still
didn't make a bowl game. Do Utah fans really want to compare ooc schedules?
We just scheduled Texas A&M. You just scheduled Fresno state...way to go.
Sports Are GreatSalt Lake City, UT"So what are Erickson
and company doing with all their extra time these holidays?"Hopefully doing some serious recruiting. It's always good to
have the coug fans stop by. Maybe after taking the two years off that were
dictated by Utah, you people will begin to realize that our (Utah's)
competition is the Pac-12.
I love that ute "fans" are consumed by thinking about byu, on both byu
and Utah articles. Thanks ute "fans" for the interest. Happy bowl-less
So what are Erickson and company doing with all their extra time these holidays?
Bowling at Brunswick? Watching byu and Utah state play football? Put PAC 12
stickers in more places? All of the above?
My goodness byu fans continue to amaze. Their (byu fans) never ending obsession
over Utah is truly mind boggling. Even as Utah St is now demanding (and
receiving) home and home arrangements with byu, you believe that Utah should be
interested in byu, why? Independence is taking you people down the path to no
where but holmoe is doing a marvelous sales job. You people need to accept the
fact that Utah's competition is the Pac-12. They (Utah) will schedule
their out of conference games as they see fit without remorse or compunction of
its affect on byu. No explanations, apologies, or excuses necessary. For his part, Holmoe will salute and say..."thank you." Good to see that DE will stay with the Utes. Maybe he can exert his vast
experience and influence on Coach Whittingham to shake the position coaching
FAX: "In other words, BYU and Michigan are two 'really, really
difficult games' and the Utes are too chicken to play two 'really,
really difficult' OOC games in the same season."Actually,
judging by recent seasons, BYU would be the easiest non-conference game. Fresno
has been better than BYU the last two years. And no, there are no teams that
schedule 100% of their non-conference slate that difficult. Would I exchange BYU
for Fresno? Gladly. But I don't make those decisions. Weak argument,
though, on your part.
"Unlike the sun devils who scheduled Wisconsin and Notre Dame for their out
of conference games"...and Sacramento State. Come on. You should know better
Elmer Fudd"Utah dropping BYU has nothing to do with Utah being
chicken."Utah dropping BYU has EVERYTHING to do with Utah being
chicken... Utah's good doctor Hill said as much when he said: "What we have to do is make sure we don’t come close to over
scheduling," he said.In Hill’s mind, playing both Michigan
and BYU in the same years would have put the Utes in that situation."I can’t expect us to play 11 really, really difficult games in a
season," he said.In other words, BYU and Michigan are two
"really, really difficult games" and the Utes are too chicken to play
two "really, really difficult" OOC games in the same season.Bottom line: the Utes are entering a severe bowl drought, with no post-season
bowls in 2012 and 2013, and no bowls at all, not even a September bowl, in 2014
and 2015.BYU will have an 11-season bowling streak going and the
Utes will have a 4-season bowl-less streak going the next time the Utes face the
Cougars.See U in 2016 little brother!
Good point Elmer. Why play a team you've owned for the last four years,
right? No wonder ASU stopped playing Utah since ASU has owned Utah since 1978.
It's a pity the PAC was too desperate to pick up the likes of Colorado and
Utah. We should have held out like the big 12 is doing. However,
yes, Utah saw how difficult their schedule was going to be, so they dropped BYU,
because it would be too difficult. I don't see how you can get anything
other than scared out of that move. Too scared to have an awesome schedule that,
if they did well against, would be nationally respected. Instead, they chose to
dumb down their schedule in hopes of a bowl game. So they are doing the same
thing BYU does. Unlike the sun devils who scheduled Wisconsin and Notre Dame for
their out of conference games...and look where the sun devils are!
@ CougarSunDevilUtah didn't drop BYU to make our schedule
lighter, they scheduled Michigan in BYU's place. Looking at the next two
years schedule. Where is Utah dumbing down their schedule? If anything, Utah
upgraded their schedule by adding Michigan and dumping BYU. @
CordonBleuUtah dropping BYU has nothing to do with Utah being
chicken. Utah has nothing to gain by playing BYU, but BYU has everything to gain
by playing Utah. I can see why BYU fans are so bitter about being dumped by
their big brother the next two years. The Utes have already proven themselves
against BYU and winning 4 in a row, 9 of the last 12 proves it. The way things
are going, Utah would win the next two years if the two teams played again.
Let's face it! BYU doesn't know how to beat Utah anymore. See you in
2016 little brother!
I think Cordon Bleu is right. Utah is the one who backed down from BYU the next
two years, not the other way around. And the reason was because they already had
a difficult schedule without BYU. Sounds like it is Utah dumbing down their
schedule for next year. Couldn't handle the "most difficult schedule
ever" dispute the boasting of some fans.
pocyUte"CG, seeing as how Utah has beaten BYU 4 in a row, and 9
of 12, the onus is on BYU to prove they belong on the field with Utah."Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but previous results and no
guarantee of future performance.From 1968 to 1971, Utah beat BYU
four straight and lead the series 38-5-4.BYU won 18 of the next 20
games, most in dominating fashion.Since Utah is too chicken to play
BYU in 2014 and 2015, the onus is on the Utes to prove that they would have been
good enough to step onto the same field as BYU.
UteMiguelGo Utes, CACompletely agree. It's the skill
positions that did the Utes in this season. Coaching changes have to be made
and none is more glaring than the O-line. As of today, the coaches in place
were put there by Whittingham. If Erickson is the OC (it's great to hear
that he is sticking around...he showed this Utah fan that he is the real deal),
give him the responsibility to make the offense his own. The receivers and
defensive backfield...same situation.CG (in Orem Utah) "Utah has no way of proving that they're even good enough to step
unto the same field as BYU." That's really funny sport. The memo you
missed make two points that address your sad comment; The Utes:1)
Are 4 of 4 and 9 of 12 with byu - there simply is nothing more to prove against
the hapless cougs2) Compete in the Pac-12 not in byu's fantasy
worldEnd of story!Great to hear that DE is staying.
Responsibilities and titles across the Utah coaching staff need to change.
@ekuteIt is pretty hard to be much worse than 1-7 so good point by
CG, seeing as how Utah has beaten BYU 4 in a row, and 9 of 12, the onus is on
BYU to prove they belong on the field with Utah. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Actually I'm not sorry, I quite enjoyed it.
ekuteShort of a bowl game matchup in the next 2 years, which is
highly unlikely, since the Utes aren't even good enough to qualify for
anything besides the couch potato bowl, Utah has no way of proving that
they're even good enough to step unto the same field as BYU.
The minute Utah hired Erickson was the minute I knew Utah wouldn't do well
this year. He couldn't do it for Arizona state, won't do it for Utah.
Look what happened to ASU in the last two seasons without him. I'd question
the judgement of anyone who celebrates his employment with their school.
What I read between the lines is that no matter what changes are made in the
next 2 years, the Utes will be no worse than they are now, which is still good
enough to beat byu. So why the incessant digging from happy valley?
Lotsa things to read between the lines in that article.
I hope he's still here when Harvey and Chase return.
Whit should give Erickson free reign to replace the receivers coach, qb coach,
and o-line coach. Then hold him accountable for the results.
The PAC 12 utes have TWO coaches that each have proven they can take teams to
undefeated top 5 seasons. It's only a matter is time until we
go back to where we belong. Proud PAC 12 member Proud
ute Proud Erickson and whittingham supporter!
Looks like Dennis Erickson is eager to return for more than the reason of
unfinished business. In reading between the lines the opportunity to step in to
become Utah's next head coach is on his mind. Wonder if he will keep his
offensive coordinator around. Fat chance,Coach W. would be wise to
give him his walking papers before he gets nudged out.Just
Dennis Erickson has already made great strides of improvement to our offense.
Now we need to make him the official "offensive coordinator" and drop
the "co." As for Brian Johnson, he needs to be the official
quarterbacks coach. Brian's time for OC at Utah will come- But that time
isn't today. Go Utes!!
Certainly Erickson wants a "do-over" year. How bad his offense has
performed is nothing for his "moving on" resume. It wasn't the
defense as bad as it was at times (more than 35 pts isn't a great
defense,.. just okay). It was the turn-over plagued offense. And that's on
Erickson or at least is not a sterling endorsement.
Excellent newsErickson made great changes and we got a glimpse of
what the offense can do in the first half of the season. Hopefully
Wilson can return and the offense can keep making progress.Go Utes