ProdicusDoes a speeding ticket carry a fine, jail time, and deportation.
Obviously they are not the same. •False Personation of a U.S.
Citizen (18 U.S.C. § 911). up to five years in jail, a felony. •Fraud and False Statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001). claiming to be a
U.S. citizen on an I-9 Employment Eligibility form. up to five years
imprisonment.•Social Security Fraud (42 U.S.C. § 408).
Violation of this statute can result in a fine and/or imprisonment up to five
years. The court can also require violators to provide restitution to the
victims.Amnesty (allowing people to stay and work instead of
returning home ans waiting, like the rest of the world) doesn't work, it
just continues the law breaking. It's time we enforced the law.Before 1965 we allowed immediate family only, a persons spouse and children.
Now we allow extended families, and the result is a long wait for some. My
family thought America was worth the wait.
@Prodicus:"@wrz: it's a misdemeanor, as you can easily
verify."Please cite reference."Yes, it's
federal, because it involves the national boundary. Being 'federal'
doesn't make it any more serious than an average traffic violation."The average traffic violation is rectified by paying a fine. The
illegal immigrant pays the 'fine' by leaving (deported or
fined/jailed), getting in line, and entering properly, per federal law. Current
federal law also makes it a felony to aid/abet illegal immigrants... in case you
didn't know (8USC1324/1325). Obama and many of his cohorts have committed
felonious crimes."It's not amnesty if they pay a fine and
then go through the naturalization process to be able to stay."It is amnesty because our federal laws require another scenario."That doesn't work in the present system because immigrating legally
is such an absurdly overwrought and difficult process under our current messed
up system."Immigration is arduous because it needs to be
controlled... lest we have the entire world on our doorsteps."Your ancestors didn't have to face a 12-year wait and a horrid legal
process to come here!"My ancestors followed the existing law at
@wrz: it's a misdemeanor, as you can easily verify. Yes, it's federal,
because it involves the national boundary. So what? Being "federal"
doesn't make it any more serious than an average traffic violation.It's not amnesty if they pay a fine and then go through the
naturalization process to be able to stay. That doesn't work in the present
system because immigrating legally is such an absurdly overwrought and difficult
process under our current messed up system. Your ancestors didn't have to
face a 12-year wait and a horrid legal process to come here! Why should anybody
The HammerDreamers are just as responsible as their parents. The law
gives them until 18.5 years of age to return home and come back on an
accelerated visa. If they don't do it, they are just as illegal as their
parents. The need to steal id, social security cards, and commit perjury to work
here. Their definition at 18.5 is illegal status in the country. It's not
just the parents they can sponsor, but brothers and sisters, spouse, spouses
parents, spouses brothers and sisters and their children. Business used the
children as an excuse to pass the 1986 reform. It will continue to be used until
we enforce the laws. "The way to help those who want to come to
Utah illegally is to let them know before they come that in Utah we live by the
rule of law. And, if they come here illegally, they will experience much
unnecessary hardship.legality must not be based on convenience or
individual circumstance. When it is, everyone expects to be the exception and
the rule of law crumbles into meaninglessness". --Arturo Morales-Llan,
founder of Legal Immigrants for Immigration Law Enforcement.
@The Hammer:"The majority of Illegals are just people trying to make a
better life for their kids."Yes, but look under the surface.
Illegals come here and take jobs that unemployed Americans should be taking (and
we have millions of unemployed Americans sucking up billions in unemployment
benefits... from mostly borrowed funds). Illegals bid wages down making
Americans poorer in the process. Furthermore, they bring their language and
congregate in their own communities reducing the incentive to become American.
Southern LA now had an Hispanic majority, which could replicated across the
country if action is not taken to rectify."They are trying to
get away from the corruption of Mexico and other South American
governments."And in the process, bringing the corruption to
America. Letting illegals in by the millions will soon turn the US into a third
world nation... similar to their countries of origin.@Prodicus:"Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor on precisely the same legal plane as
driving without a license."Illegal immigration is a violation of
federal law. To rectify, the illegal immigrant should be deported. Allowing
them to stay, under any circumstance/status is called amnesty.
Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor on precisely the same legal plane as
driving without a license.People should not drive without a license;
they ought to take Driver Ed, pass a test, and get registered before operating
potentially deadly machinery on roads. But if getting a driving license were a
dozen-year horrid ordeal, of course many would drive without one, and most of
the fault would be with the ordeal and not the people. To fix it, we would need
to replace the broken process with a sensible monthlong Driver Ed and tell those
who'd been driving illegally they needed to pay a fine and take Driver
Ed.People should not enter the country without meeting
naturalization requirements; they ought to have basic instruction in citizenship
and get registered to properly exercise their rights and responsibilities as
Americans. But the dozen-year wait is a broken process. We should make sure
people can get through naturalization in a month and then tell those who already
came illegally they need to pay a fine and go through naturalization. No extra
wait, no jail time, and certainly no deportation. Just a fine and the normal,
quick naturalization process.
@Flashback-So no mercy until the demands of justice is met. Fine we can
change the law to provide a justice system that adequately deals with the
problem. And we can create safeguards like mandatory E-verify, Biometrics and
proper immigration changes which reduce the incentive to come in illegally. In
reality the only thing that needs to be done to legalize everyone here is to
change the status of northern Mexico to a war zone and designate all those who
have come here as refugees. That’s the executive action way, all mercy,
no justice. Our current system is broke because it has no deterrent to illegally
coming here. Cities and businesses sweep the problem under the table and
mandatory document presentation at police check points is against the fourth
amendment.@Chris BIllegals here have many designations as far as
their activities. Most of them are civil offenses but some of them are criminal.
Dreamers fall outside this and actually have no legal definition within the
law. Also under current law if you make dreamers legal their family members
become eligible for green cards and citizenship in 10 years. The senate bill
extends it 13 years.
If we give amnesty this time around there will be another 20 million illegals in
10 years. It won't take long for the US to implode with all the new
"immigrants" due to kindness and mercy. There is already an immigrant
policy and laws; how about we just follow the law already in place. Amnesty is
just an open invitation for more people to flood the system and job market that
is already in shambles. America will wake up one and and will see that we have
become a 3rd world country due to our naive mercy and kindness. The United
States of Mexico will be our new name.
I welcome legal immigrants and thank them for being law abiding people who
contribute to the betterment of society.As for illegal immigrants, I
do not hate the, but I see them as I see other criminals. That is, people who
made horrible decisions, need to pay the consequences, and can be given a second
chance if they're willing to do it the correct way next time.
Hammer, Justice has to temper mercy. There needs to be some form of justice to
make mercy work.
How's this. Close the border, and make all 13 million find a way to get
legal, no amesty. There. Moderate in tone, not accusatory, civil, etc.
I use to be against the dream act until I met a Dreamer. I use to be for Mitt
Romneys Self deportation until I met the people and listened to their background
story. The majority of Illegals are just people trying to make a better life
for their kids. They are trying to get away from the corruption of Mexico and
other South American goverments. If I put myself in their shoes I would have
likely done the same thing especially if there were businesses in the US asking
for workers to come here legally or illegally. My heart has changed
and so have some of the people I know who were against Amnesty. Amnesty is a
hard thing because it means we show mercy and we have kindness and
reconcilliation. Of course their is a punishment for their crimes but it is
reasonable and done in atmosphere of respect for one another.
Wow. It was a big surprise to me. And sure not reflected in
the DesNews comments of the last couple of years that I've read. Some of the most vehement, derogatory feelings and ideas about immigrants I
have read anywhere were right here--nothing 'civil' or
'moderate' about them.
This is the worst piece of research I have ever seen, absolute rubbish! Ok, now
that that is out of the way, the rest of the comments can be nicer :-)
The moderators and use of word filters had more to do with it than peoples
Was this study done on moderated message boards? Unmoderated message boards
tend to fill up with fight, ugliness and racism. These ugly comments take over
and are not a small part but a dominating part of message boards I have seen
that are unmoderated. Human nature unchecked tends to unleash true and ugly
Did the researchers have full access to all comments submitted by posters, or
just the ones not rejected by the forum moderators? In my experience, it can be
tricky to get comments posted on stories about certain topics, including illegal