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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 26 2013 11:45 p.m. MST

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Viva la Migra
American Fork, UT

Did the researchers have full access to all comments submitted by posters, or just the ones not rejected by the forum moderators? In my experience, it can be tricky to get comments posted on stories about certain topics, including illegal immigration.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

Was this study done on moderated message boards? Unmoderated message boards tend to fill up with fight, ugliness and racism. These ugly comments take over and are not a small part but a dominating part of message boards I have seen that are unmoderated. Human nature unchecked tends to unleash true and ugly feeling.

RichardB
Murray, UT

The moderators and use of word filters had more to do with it than peoples attitude.

Ricardo Carvalho
Provo, UT

This is the worst piece of research I have ever seen, absolute rubbish! Ok, now that that is out of the way, the rest of the comments can be nicer :-)

windsor
City, Ut

Wow.
It was a big surprise to me.

And sure not reflected in the DesNews comments of the last couple of years that I've read.

Some of the most vehement, derogatory feelings and ideas about immigrants I have read anywhere were right here--nothing 'civil' or 'moderate' about them.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

I use to be against the dream act until I met a Dreamer. I use to be for Mitt Romneys Self deportation until I met the people and listened to their background story. The majority of Illegals are just people trying to make a better life for their kids. They are trying to get away from the corruption of Mexico and other South American goverments. If I put myself in their shoes I would have likely done the same thing especially if there were businesses in the US asking for workers to come here legally or illegally.

My heart has changed and so have some of the people I know who were against Amnesty. Amnesty is a hard thing because it means we show mercy and we have kindness and reconcilliation. Of course their is a punishment for their crimes but it is reasonable and done in atmosphere of respect for one another.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

How's this. Close the border, and make all 13 million find a way to get legal, no amesty. There. Moderate in tone, not accusatory, civil, etc.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Hammer, Justice has to temper mercy. There needs to be some form of justice to make mercy work.

ChristoperB
Salt Lake, UT

I welcome legal immigrants and thank them for being law abiding people who contribute to the betterment of society.

As for illegal immigrants, I do not hate the, but I see them as I see other criminals. That is, people who made horrible decisions, need to pay the consequences, and can be given a second chance if they're willing to do it the correct way next time.

Filthy Kuffar
Spanish Fork, UT

If we give amnesty this time around there will be another 20 million illegals in 10 years. It won't take long for the US to implode with all the new "immigrants" due to kindness and mercy. There is already an immigrant policy and laws; how about we just follow the law already in place. Amnesty is just an open invitation for more people to flood the system and job market that is already in shambles. America will wake up one and and will see that we have become a 3rd world country due to our naive mercy and kindness. The United States of Mexico will be our new name.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

@Flashback-
So no mercy until the demands of justice is met. Fine we can change the law to provide a justice system that adequately deals with the problem. And we can create safeguards like mandatory E-verify, Biometrics and proper immigration changes which reduce the incentive to come in illegally. In reality the only thing that needs to be done to legalize everyone here is to change the status of northern Mexico to a war zone and designate all those who have come here as refugees. That’s the executive action way, all mercy, no justice. Our current system is broke because it has no deterrent to illegally coming here. Cities and businesses sweep the problem under the table and mandatory document presentation at police check points is against the fourth amendment.
@Chris B
Illegals here have many designations as far as their activities. Most of them are civil offenses but some of them are criminal. Dreamers fall outside this and actually have no legal definition within the law. Also under current law if you make dreamers legal their family members become eligible for green cards and citizenship in 10 years. The senate bill extends it 13 years.

Prodicus
Provo, UT

Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor on precisely the same legal plane as driving without a license.

People should not drive without a license; they ought to take Driver Ed, pass a test, and get registered before operating potentially deadly machinery on roads. But if getting a driving license were a dozen-year horrid ordeal, of course many would drive without one, and most of the fault would be with the ordeal and not the people. To fix it, we would need to replace the broken process with a sensible monthlong Driver Ed and tell those who'd been driving illegally they needed to pay a fine and take Driver Ed.

People should not enter the country without meeting naturalization requirements; they ought to have basic instruction in citizenship and get registered to properly exercise their rights and responsibilities as Americans. But the dozen-year wait is a broken process. We should make sure people can get through naturalization in a month and then tell those who already came illegally they need to pay a fine and go through naturalization. No extra wait, no jail time, and certainly no deportation. Just a fine and the normal, quick naturalization process.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@The Hammer:
"The majority of Illegals are just people trying to make a better life for their kids."

Yes, but look under the surface. Illegals come here and take jobs that unemployed Americans should be taking (and we have millions of unemployed Americans sucking up billions in unemployment benefits... from mostly borrowed funds). Illegals bid wages down making Americans poorer in the process. Furthermore, they bring their language and congregate in their own communities reducing the incentive to become American. Southern LA now had an Hispanic majority, which could replicated across the country if action is not taken to rectify.

"They are trying to get away from the corruption of Mexico and other South American governments."

And in the process, bringing the corruption to America. Letting illegals in by the millions will soon turn the US into a third world nation... similar to their countries of origin.

@Prodicus:
"Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor on precisely the same legal plane as driving without a license."

Illegal immigration is a violation of federal law. To rectify, the illegal immigrant should be deported. Allowing them to stay, under any circumstance/status is called amnesty.

RichardB
Murray, UT

The Hammer

Dreamers are just as responsible as their parents. The law gives them until 18.5 years of age to return home and come back on an accelerated visa. If they don't do it, they are just as illegal as their parents. The need to steal id, social security cards, and commit perjury to work here. Their definition at 18.5 is illegal status in the country. It's not just the parents they can sponsor, but brothers and sisters, spouse, spouses parents, spouses brothers and sisters and their children. Business used the children as an excuse to pass the 1986 reform. It will continue to be used until we enforce the laws.

"The way to help those who want to come to Utah illegally is to let them know before they come that in Utah we live by the rule of law. And, if they come here illegally, they will experience much unnecessary hardship.

legality must not be based on convenience or individual circumstance. When it is, everyone expects to be the exception and the rule of law crumbles into meaninglessness". --Arturo Morales-Llan, founder of Legal Immigrants for Immigration Law Enforcement.

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Prodicus
Provo, UT

@wrz: it's a misdemeanor, as you can easily verify. Yes, it's federal, because it involves the national boundary. So what? Being "federal" doesn't make it any more serious than an average traffic violation.

It's not amnesty if they pay a fine and then go through the naturalization process to be able to stay. That doesn't work in the present system because immigrating legally is such an absurdly overwrought and difficult process under our current messed up system. Your ancestors didn't have to face a 12-year wait and a horrid legal process to come here! Why should anybody else?

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@Prodicus:
"@wrz: it's a misdemeanor, as you can easily verify."

Please cite reference.

"Yes, it's federal, because it involves the national boundary. Being 'federal' doesn't make it any more serious than an average traffic violation."

The average traffic violation is rectified by paying a fine. The illegal immigrant pays the 'fine' by leaving (deported or fined/jailed), getting in line, and entering properly, per federal law. Current federal law also makes it a felony to aid/abet illegal immigrants... in case you didn't know (8USC1324/1325). Obama and many of his cohorts have committed felonious crimes.

"It's not amnesty if they pay a fine and then go through the naturalization process to be able to stay."

It is amnesty because our federal laws require another scenario.

"That doesn't work in the present system because immigrating legally is such an absurdly overwrought and difficult process under our current messed up system."

Immigration is arduous because it needs to be controlled... lest we have the entire world on our doorsteps.

"Your ancestors didn't have to face a 12-year wait and a horrid legal process to come here!"

My ancestors followed the existing law at the time.

RichardB
Murray, UT

Prodicus
Does a speeding ticket carry a fine, jail time, and deportation. Obviously they are not the same.

•False Personation of a U.S. Citizen (18 U.S.C. § 911). up to five years in jail, a felony.

•Fraud and False Statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001). claiming to be a U.S. citizen on an I-9 Employment Eligibility form. up to five years imprisonment.

•Social Security Fraud (42 U.S.C. § 408). Violation of this statute can result in a fine and/or imprisonment up to five years. The court can also require violators to provide restitution to the victims.

Amnesty (allowing people to stay and work instead of returning home ans waiting, like the rest of the world) doesn't work, it just continues the law breaking. It's time we enforced the law.

Before 1965 we allowed immediate family only, a persons spouse and children. Now we allow extended families, and the result is a long wait for some. My family thought America was worth the wait.

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