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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 26 2013 3:40 p.m. MST

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Pendergast
Salt Lake City, UT

re: 2 bits

"Too bad he can't give the Panama Canal away to a country run by drug dealers and terrorists (like Carter did). I guess he could give the Suez Canal to Hamas... that would be about the same thing."

re: Mountanman

"The Navy Seals took out bin Laden whom they located by following policies GWB implemented!"

3 thoughts... 1) The Muslim Brotherhood is calling the shots in Egypt, 2) There may not have been the need to take out OBL if W & Dick had a clue about foreign policy, & 3) Like Noriega, OBL was useful at one point.

Sven
Morgan, UT

@pragmatistferlife said:

"Now you may have companies who's existing plans are more expensive than what the same plan will be on the exchanges who will opt to have their employees go to the exchanges and still pay the premium differential they currently do, but that's a good thing."

Hmmm, it's such a good thing, Obama, by dictate, put the employer mandate off until after the 2014 elections. Nope, nothing to see here...just move along. And we thought the individual mandates were devastating; just wait until the employer mandate kicks in. No wonder they put it off until after elections

Obama lied about Americans being able to keep their current health plans if they liked them; he lied about Americans being able to keep their physicians if they liked them; he lied about the costs of this monstrosity; he's lied about everything dealing with HIS signature Obamacare.

Sadly, folks like you will never turn on your messiah...even when he lies to your face. Obama and the Dems own this mess.

4word thinker
Murray, UT

If he could be Carterized enough to be honest, and love his country, and his countrymen, that would be an amazing improvement.

But his policies would still be severely misguided.

Sven
Morgan, UT

@Esquire

It's amazing that Leftist/Progressives just can't come to grips that Bush hasn't been the Chief Executive for 5 years.

It's also rich watching progressives complain about the State-run media manipulating Obama's dismal approval numbers. I mean, Obama's sinking approval numbers just couldn't be because of HIS policies now could it? No, it must be the media manipulating his numbers. Using your logic, we could also say the media cooked Bush's numbers too...right?

You are aware that Obama has had several off the record meetings with Obama at the WH...right? If Bush tried this crap, you'd be screaming bloody murder. Media manipulation. Pfft.

BTW, for the millions who lost their health coverage under the "individual mandate" provision in Obamacare, the sky really did fall for them.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

E. Sam: You are right. In six months, conservatives like me will be eating crow if Obamacare is running very smoothly and everyone is happy with our new socialized healthcare system.

Unfortunately for America, the chance of that happening is about the same as balancing the budget, paying off the national debt, getting unemployment back down to 5%, or having all the other countries of the world like us. I, for one, won't be sharpening my crow-eating utensils in anticipation of the miracle you describe.

Sven
Morgan, UT

Sven said:

"You are aware that Obama has had several off the record meetings with Obama..."

Should have read:

"You are aware that Obama has had several off the record meetings with the media..."

Need more coffee!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

pragmatistferlife,
Re: "just why will employers be forced to drop their employees health care coverage?"...

Because many current plans don't comply with all of the ACA regulations. Most policies will need to be changed (and not for the cheaper).

I didn't say they would DROP their employees health care coverage. I said the plans they currently have would be canceled (they must be cancelled because it's the law... they don't comply with ACA regulations). And the replacement policy rates will probably not be lower (unless there's an Obama-miracle before then).

Maybe he will just pass a law (on his own, without Congress) mandating that insurance companies can't charge more for the new policies and new coverages than they did for the old policies.

You never know... he's done it before.

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SOME people are going to lose their company provided insurance all together (by having their work hours reduced). But that wasn't what I was getting at in my comment. We already KNOW many existing corporate policies aren't ACA compliant... and will be cancelled. Most of them will be replaced with new (possibly better) policies, but with higher premiums.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Re: "Six months from now, when the ACA website is fixed and Obamacare is doing great, we'll see what this guy says"...

But what if after six months or six years, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, are bankrupt? And ObamaCare is blamed for letting or making it happen?

Then what would happen to his popularity?

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It could go either way. We all know these programs are going bankrupt. The only question is under WHO's administration will they go bankrupt.

Each administration just kicks the can to the next administration to deal with this painful issue. Sooner or later one administration's going to have to actually deal with it and not just pretend it's not a real problem. I don't get the feeling it's going to be Obama.

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I lived through the Carter years, and Obama is nothing compared to the misery America had during the Carter years. Obama is definitely better than Carter. At least Obama got a second term to see if he could actually deliver on any of the promises he made in his original campaign. The lofty promises that won him the Nobel Peace Prize.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@2 bits – “I lived through the Carter years, and Obama is nothing compared to the misery America had during the Carter years. Obama is definitely better than Carter.”

I don’t mind when people express different political views than mine – in fact it’s one the reasons I comment here. Further, I think the country would be a disaster under one party (and opinion) rule without the constant feedback of hard questions from those who see things differently.

What I do mind and will call people out on at every opportunity – another reason for commenting here – is people who have no perspective, misstate facts, misrepresent history, and consistently demonstrate poor logic & reasoning skills (often purposefully).

I’ve disagreed with many of your conclusions but generally appreciate your arguments. After so many comments expressing totally out-of-proportion Obama hatred, thank you for representing the “other side” (if we can be so easily labelled) with some much needed perspective.

David
Centerville, UT

Esquire,

Conservatives have had to deal with the liberal media for decades. This liberal media bias undoubtedly influences the poorly informed voters and influences elections.

So now you see a report that you don't like. Perhaps its too honest? Too close to the truth? So you complain about it.

Welcome to the conservative world.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Liberal or conservative, my friends, it does not matter. Journalism is dead. I stand by my comments.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

Carter was honest, naive and ultimately incompetent. Obama relies on slick rhetoric and "improper promises," as the NYT called them, to cover up his incompetence. Honesty is a more difficult judgment, but at this point it doesn't look good.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

Torture is a war crime, but Mr. Obama readily used the information from water boarding to help locate bin Laden. In legal terms, that information was tainted because of its origin and someone against such tactics would have ignored it. Actually, Mr. Obama let it happen, he didn't make it happen. It's ironic that the president blames Bush for all the country's ill, but refuses to give Bush credit for setting in motion the process of finding bin Laden.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The economy turning, Iran take care of, what will tea party scream about?

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Conservatives have NO credibility to complain with. If it's not the website, it's Benghazi or a birth certificate or whatever will be next. That's the same as saying someone is dishonest BTW.

We know you are going to complain and wail no matter what he does even when he implements the Republican's own Romneycare plan or has the same policies as the last president. No WONDER divorce rates are HIGHER in conservative states!

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Bush lied and a million people died.

Obama lied and insurance policies died to make room for better ones.

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