Bush lied and a million people died.Obama lied and insurance
policies died to make room for better ones.
Conservatives have NO credibility to complain with. If it's not the
website, it's Benghazi or a birth certificate or whatever will be next.
That's the same as saying someone is dishonest BTW. We know you
are going to complain and wail no matter what he does even when he implements
the Republican's own Romneycare plan or has the same policies as the last
president. No WONDER divorce rates are HIGHER in conservative states!
The economy turning, Iran take care of, what will tea party scream about?
Torture is a war crime, but Mr. Obama readily used the information from water
boarding to help locate bin Laden. In legal terms, that information was tainted
because of its origin and someone against such tactics would have ignored it.
Actually, Mr. Obama let it happen, he didn't make it happen. It's
ironic that the president blames Bush for all the country's ill, but
refuses to give Bush credit for setting in motion the process of finding bin
Carter was honest, naive and ultimately incompetent. Obama relies on slick
rhetoric and "improper promises," as the NYT called them, to cover up
his incompetence. Honesty is a more difficult judgment, but at this point it
doesn't look good.
Liberal or conservative, my friends, it does not matter. Journalism is dead. I
stand by my comments.
Esquire,Conservatives have had to deal with the liberal media for
decades. This liberal media bias undoubtedly influences the poorly informed
voters and influences elections.So now you see a report that you
don't like. Perhaps its too honest? Too close to the truth? So you
complain about it.Welcome to the conservative world.
@2 bits – “I lived through the Carter years, and Obama is nothing
compared to the misery America had during the Carter years. Obama is definitely
better than Carter.”I don’t mind when people express
different political views than mine – in fact it’s one the reasons I
comment here. Further, I think the country would be a disaster under one party
(and opinion) rule without the constant feedback of hard questions from those
who see things differently.What I do mind and will call people out
on at every opportunity – another reason for commenting here – is
people who have no perspective, misstate facts, misrepresent history, and
consistently demonstrate poor logic & reasoning skills (often purposefully).
I’ve disagreed with many of your conclusions but generally
appreciate your arguments. After so many comments expressing totally
out-of-proportion Obama hatred, thank you for representing the “other
side” (if we can be so easily labelled) with some much needed perspective.
Re: "Six months from now, when the ACA website is fixed and Obamacare is
doing great, we'll see what this guy says"...But what if
after six months or six years, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, are
bankrupt? And ObamaCare is blamed for letting or making it happen?Then what would happen to his popularity?--- It could
go either way. We all know these programs are going bankrupt. The only
question is under WHO's administration will they go bankrupt.Each administration just kicks the can to the next administration to deal with
this painful issue. Sooner or later one administration's going to have to
actually deal with it and not just pretend it's not a real problem. I
don't get the feeling it's going to be Obama.----I lived through the Carter years, and Obama is nothing compared to the misery
America had during the Carter years. Obama is definitely better than Carter.
At least Obama got a second term to see if he could actually deliver on any of
the promises he made in his original campaign. The lofty promises that won him
the Nobel Peace Prize.
pragmatistferlife,Re: "just why will employers be forced to drop their
employees health care coverage?"...Because many current plans
don't comply with all of the ACA regulations. Most policies will need to
be changed (and not for the cheaper).I didn't say they would
DROP their employees health care coverage. I said the plans they currently have
would be canceled (they must be cancelled because it's the law... they
don't comply with ACA regulations). And the replacement policy rates will
probably not be lower (unless there's an Obama-miracle before then). Maybe he will just pass a law (on his own, without Congress) mandating
that insurance companies can't charge more for the new policies and new
coverages than they did for the old policies.You never know...
he's done it before.---SOME people are going to
lose their company provided insurance all together (by having their work hours
reduced). But that wasn't what I was getting at in my comment. We
already KNOW many existing corporate policies aren't ACA compliant... and
will be cancelled. Most of them will be replaced with new (possibly better)
policies, but with higher premiums.
Sven said:"You are aware that Obama has had several off the
record meetings with Obama..."Should have read: "You are aware that Obama has had several off the record meetings with the
media..."Need more coffee!
E. Sam: You are right. In six months, conservatives like me will be eating crow
if Obamacare is running very smoothly and everyone is happy with our new
socialized healthcare system.Unfortunately for America, the chance
of that happening is about the same as balancing the budget, paying off the
national debt, getting unemployment back down to 5%, or having all the other
countries of the world like us. I, for one, won't be sharpening my
crow-eating utensils in anticipation of the miracle you describe.
@EsquireIt's amazing that Leftist/Progressives just can't
come to grips that Bush hasn't been the Chief Executive for 5 years. It's also rich watching progressives complain about the State-run
media manipulating Obama's dismal approval numbers. I mean, Obama's
sinking approval numbers just couldn't be because of HIS policies now could
it? No, it must be the media manipulating his numbers. Using your logic, we
could also say the media cooked Bush's numbers too...right?You
are aware that Obama has had several off the record meetings with Obama at the
WH...right? If Bush tried this crap, you'd be screaming bloody murder.
Media manipulation. Pfft. BTW, for the millions who lost their
health coverage under the "individual mandate" provision in Obamacare,
the sky really did fall for them.
If he could be Carterized enough to be honest, and love his country, and his
countrymen, that would be an amazing improvement.But his policies
would still be severely misguided.
@pragmatistferlife said:"Now you may have companies who's
existing plans are more expensive than what the same plan will be on the
exchanges who will opt to have their employees go to the exchanges and still pay
the premium differential they currently do, but that's a good
thing."Hmmm, it's such a good thing, Obama, by dictate, put
the employer mandate off until after the 2014 elections. Nope, nothing to see
here...just move along. And we thought the individual mandates were
devastating; just wait until the employer mandate kicks in. No wonder they put
it off until after electionsObama lied about Americans being able to
keep their current health plans if they liked them; he lied about Americans
being able to keep their physicians if they liked them; he lied about the costs
of this monstrosity; he's lied about everything dealing with HIS signature
Obamacare.Sadly, folks like you will never turn on your
messiah...even when he lies to your face. Obama and the Dems own this mess.
re: 2 bits"Too bad he can't give the Panama Canal away to a
country run by drug dealers and terrorists (like Carter did). I guess he could
give the Suez Canal to Hamas... that would be about the same thing."re: Mountanman"The Navy Seals took out bin Laden whom
they located by following policies GWB implemented!"3
thoughts... 1) The Muslim Brotherhood is calling the shots in Egypt, 2) There
may not have been the need to take out OBL if W & Dick had a clue about
foreign policy, & 3) Like Noriega, OBL was useful at one point.
Ltrain says:"...and with help of water boarding, ..."--- Torture is a war-crime.
Sven, come on, if a company is providing health care it's a 99.999% chance
that it meets the lowly standards of the ACA. Individuals who chose to forgo
specific benefits are the ones who's policies don't meet the
standards. If I'm providing benefits for 50+ people (and well over 80% of
businesses have 200+ employees) it will have to have maternity, it will have to
protect against pre-existing conditions, it will have to have some psychological
benefits. You may differentiate by how many people the policy covers, but it
will meet ACA standards.Now you may have companies who's
existing plans are more expensive than what the same plan will be on the
exchanges who will opt to have their employees go to the exchanges and still pay
the premium differential they currently do, but that's a good thing.
"And when you start making claims about a president’s legacy while he
still has three years in office remaining"I realize liverals
would like us all to forget the last 5 disastrous years of the Obama regime, the
lies, the bad economy he claims is good, refusal to negotiate across the aisle,
the trumped up unemployment numbers, fast and furious, Benghazi-caused by a
video, the divisiveness, the effort to attack Syria that Putin had to avert, etc
etc, but all those things are part of the legacy. Even if the last 3 years were
stellar (as unlikely as Iran stopping their Nuclear Bomb program) the last 5
years do exist, are in the history books, and are part of his legacy.
Comic Relief"Six months from now, when the ACA website is fixed
and Obamacare is doing great, we'll see what this guy says."And pigs will be flying in the skies. The only way that anyone will think
that is if this corrupt group finds more money to pay organizations to write
fiction about Obamacare's success.The congressional approval is
a very misleading number. Dems hate congress because of the house. Repubs hate
congress because of the Senate. Get it? Conservatives dislike both because we
are stuck with guys like Harry Reid, McCain, Hatch, Pelosi, Boehner etc....
This opinion piece and other "the sky is falling" pieces are ludicrous.
I am weary of the media "insiders" and their speculation. Just a note,
Obama's lowest numbers have never reached the low numbers of Bush. But
polls are near worthless now because of media manipulation, which is in turn
manipulated by special interest groups. The whole state of journalism is a
sorry affair. Journalism is dead.
@pragmatistferlife Simply put, the provisions in Obamacare mandate
that companies with 50 or more workers face a fine of as much as $3,000 per
employee if they don’t offer affordable insurance. It doesn't matter
whether employees are happy with their current employer provided health
insurance (and its cost); if it doesn't meet the specifications provided in
Obamacare, it will be deemed as not complying with ACA, and the company will be
fined.Sadly, we've already seen the misery that the
"individual mandate" has inflicted upon millions of Americans. Just wait
until the employer mandate kicks in. It will be cheaper for the employer to
simply not provide coverage, and let their employers go to the wonderful
government exchanges.I'm sure many will be quick to judge the
employers for their "cold-hearted greed" in not wanting to provide their
employees with health insurance, but lets not forget, these employers were
providing truly affordable and high quality health insurance already. It is
Obama who is forcing these employees into low quality, higher cost health plans.
2bits, just why will employers be forced to drop their employees health care
Interesting article on the recent deal with Iran and what the future may hold
– which so far is a diplomatic & foreign policy success just like the
chemical weapons deal in Syria and the virtually bloodless regime change in
Libya - but what does it have to do with the complete non-sequitur article
title?And when you start making claims about a president’s
legacy while he still has three years in office remaining, you’re either
in the business of making predictions (a foolish enterprise) or you’re
engaged in propaganda. So what ever happened to reporting and
Six months from now, when the ACA website is fixed and Obamacare is doing great,
we'll see what this guy says.
Nothing like good news to make people hate even more.
"...53 percent of Americans surveyed are telling pollsters they don't
think Obama is honest or trustworthy...".Not good.But wait... 86% of Americans are telling the same pollsters Schram
cited that they don't think Congress is honest or trustworthy.Meanwhile, may we also discover whether Congress can possibly regain the
competence we once thought they had. And whether they can re-earn our trust.
Obama is nothing like Carter. Carter may not have been tremendously competent,
but he was honest and generally well-intentioned. I'd take just
about prominent politician of the 20th century over our present Dear Leader in a
Compared to Obama, Carter was the model of effectiveness, efficiency and love of
one vote good information has it that he couldn't pull trigger on Bin
Laden and Valerie Jarrett made the call.JFYI the U.S.Navy Seals took out Bin
Laden and Obama did the victory lap.This is a real fiasco. Obama
can't trust the Iranians and they can't trust Obama. It's a
situation where its I tell a lie then he tells a lie. The world doesn't
trust Iran and it doesn't trust Obama. I wonder why? Other Presidents have
had the red phone to deal with Russia. After the Syria debacle Putin just
text's our dear leader and says here Kitty Kitty.
The Navy Seals took out bin Laden whom they located by following policies GWB
Thank goodness!!!!You meant to say. The military, after years of
tracking Bin Laden down,finally, and with help of water boarding, found him
holed up in Pakistan. They had to drag the golfer in chief off of the course so
he could be there in time for the photo op.
@2 bits - I think you're commenting on the wrong article...@one
vote - If you think Obama deserves all the credit for killing bin Laden, then
you're seriously misguided...
Too bad he can't give the Panama Canal away to a country run by drug
dealers and terrorists (like Carter did). I guess he could give the Suez Canal
to Hamas... that would be about the same thing.I really hope he
doesn't botch this and end up disarming America (as he promised to do right
after he was elected (remember the speech in Germany). And end up giving Nukes
to North Korea, Iran, Hamas, etc, while disarming America at the same time.
That would be just perfect.
He took out Bin Laden.
If you think the outcry is great over a few million Americans finding out they
will NOT be able to keep the insurance plan they have... just wait till the
corporate-mandate hits.The Administration could see
corporate-mandate was going to not only end the current insurance for a few
million Americans who get their insurance on their own, but would end insurance
for TENS of MILLIONS of Americans, and would be a total nightmare for
Democrat's popularity.... so they had to delay it till after the next
election.Just wait till the Americans who get their insurance
through their employers find out the plans they had are required by law to be
cancelled... and they are replaced with much more expensive policies (I
guarantee employers will be offloading these expenses by deducting from employee
paychecks). A per-employee increase like this is not something
companies can absorb without cutting other expenses (meaning employee
salaries).Many of ObamaCare's regulations don't even take
affect until AFTER he leaves Washington. Why is that?Is it so
there can be no blow-back to HIS administration... and whoever follows him will
have to handle all the flack it causes?