@ TwoSorry missed out on the name, but hey it doesn't change the FACT
UVU has been to the post season since Utah has been.So after more research
161 NCAA teams make post season tournaments.UVU-yepBYU-yepUSU-yepWeber-yepUtah-NopeSUU-Nope
@two for flinchingYes. Went to Beavers game with a friend from OSU.
Absolutely loved cheering on the Beavers. Except for the muss,I saw little
enthusiasm for the utes and I recall being very surprised at the announced
attendance. Clearly many season ticket holders stayed home.
BYU RPI... 30 AWESOMEUte RPI... 329 LOL at this embarrassing
numberGreat to be a Cougar fan with a team that can compete against
the big boys and a football game to watch in December.
@ SSmithYou were there?
@ekute - "Just like in football, byu can't win the big games. But they
love getting "exposed" on espn."Were we exposed in BB by
Stanford or Texas? Were we exposed in football by Texas, Boise St, Georgia Tech
or Houston? I thought those were all big games. The season is 12 games in
football and about 30 games in basketball. When was the last time U reached
.500 in either sport?Honestly, would an objective ESPN reporter or
SI writer say BYU or Utah had the better football season? And when was the last
time Utah had the better basketball season than BYU?Want to go
deeper, let's talk Rugby or Volleyball or Soccer or Cross Country or
Baseball.Face it, Utah has lost its sports identity. It is a
commuter school that got a lucky invite to the PAC because Texas turned them
down, BYU wouldn't play on Sunday and U were a better choice than Wyoming.
Let me help you out with your Basketball analysis chris b because it looks like
you could use it...Utah played 18 games last year against RPI 100
teams... They won 6 for a 33% winning percentage... BYU played 15 games against
RPI top 100 teams... They also had 6 wins for a 40% winning ratio... Neither
were great but BYU did well enough to get an invite into the N.I.T. and as we
all know BYU won three in a row to make it back to Madison Square Gardens where
they lost to the eventual chap in the semis...Other important RPI
info:. BYU(58), Weber State(78) , Utah State(109) all finished the
season with much better RPIs than the utes(159).. BYU's SOS
last year (75th), Utah's (77th).. According to the RPI, Utah
would have finished 7th out of 9 teams in the WCAC. Instead, they
"snagged" 10th place in the PAC 12.. And, according to the
RPI, BYU would have finished 6th in the PAC 12... And instead, they finished 3rd
in the WCAC.
Exposed on ESPN??? lol... Something the utes will never have to worry
about...That's what you call revenue and recruiting
opportunities and when your program is one basket shy of being undefeated
against a number of "superconference representatives" that kind of
exposure also brings you great recruits... i.e. four 4 stars in 2 years and a
bevy full of 3 stars... Thanks to our partners with ESPN...The truth
is BYU is recruiting all over America because they play on television that
everyone can see every single game...
So the ute fans say that BYU can't win the big games eh??? Now
granted, Weber State, Stanford and Texas are no Evergreen State, U C Davis,
Lamar or Savanah State but they are pretty decent and both have a good chance of
going to the big dance in March so I am okay with the Cougs record so far... The Truth is the utes played the same schedule they would be 2-4 right
now with three 20+ point losses... Stanford, Iowa State and Texas would have
beat Utah badly (20+) and Weber State would beat them by 10...I
think if I had to go into Conference lay and the Bracketology in March... I
would much prefer to have the Cougs Preseason record than the record of the
utes. In fact, I think anyone who knows anything about College Hoops would say
the same exact thing...But, you got to schedule who you can beat
when you have the chance I guess...Thank goodness the utes have NAIA and
Division II and III to fall back on...
@Two For FlinchingThat was paid attendance, i.e, Utah was not 50th
in actual attendance nor were they 4th in the PAC
Are utah fans actually trash talking BYU basketball? Really? Generally one
trash talks from a position of strength.Win some real games and then
you can trash BYU basketball. Until then, you'll have to trash talk
football. Oh wait, I guess you can't really do that either. How about
gymnastic or skiing. Yeah, that works.
I expect BYU to lose to Wichita State. They are ranked. BYU is not. Most
people expect them to lose. That is why it is called an "upset" when a
ranked team loses. There is no shame in losing to a team that is ranked higher
than you. In fact, most teams do lose to those ranked higher.I
don't think BYU will shoot well. I hope they prove me wrong, but the last
time they played games on back-to-back nights, they came out really, really
flat. I expect the same tonight, unfortunately. Once again, though, I hope
they surprise me.Utah basketball? Why are we talking about a
non-entity? There are only two relevant programs in the state of Utah: BYU and
@ PavalovaUtah was actually 50th in attendance last season and
fourth in the PAC-12. And that stat comes straight from the NCAA.@
JaydawgGo check out all the Coug fans on the story about Utah
building a new basketball facility. It goes both ways.
Ranked teams win most of their games. That is why they are ranked. So a team
losing often to ranked teams really shouldn't come as much of a surprise.
@ beSmartNo, UVU got an invite to the CIT, which is geared towards
mid-majors that didn't get into the NCAA, NIT, or CBI. Nice try though.
May I remind my Ute Friends ,,,,that we in BYUville are still celebrating the
days of 47.....where Jimmer dropped 47 in three qtrs on your court
and crossed the mid court only twice all night......Go Utes you can
@ekute please tell us about all of the ranked teams the utes have beaten in
recent years.I don't expect a response because U don't
have much to retort to that request.
Yeah but we play in a prestigious conference with 4-5 star athletes. It
doesn't matter if our actual attendance is less than most high
school's in the state. We have thousands of fans dressed as empty red
seats. When you are in an elite conference using inaccurate statistics/comments
(like our POTUS), is all fair game.
Despite the rhetoric, a bold prediction. Ute basketball will be competitive in
the PAC12 before football will. Only need one or two big recruits and I do think
Krystkowiak is the answer.
1 thing is almost as certain as the sun coming up each day. And that is Chris B
posting anti-BYU rhetoric on BYU articles. Funny that Chris makes
fun of someone using stats from a few years ago while he constantly goes back. 4
years in football.Can anyone say hypocritical?Got
anymore laughable game guarantees this week, Chris?
Ute lovers are hilarious! the team up north is so bad/boring they follow the one
they claim to hate!
big12How far back do Utah fans have to go to find the last time Utah
went 5-0 against Top 25 teams during the regular season?It's
funny how 1998 is still like yesterday for Utah, but 2010 is like ancient
history for BYU.LOL!Here's little reminder of the
current state of BYU and Utah basketball during the Dave Rose era (since Utah
hasn't had an "era" to speak of since Majerus left).BYU
214-67(76%), 8 20+ win seasons, 4 conf champs, 6 NCAAs, 2 NITs, 1 Nat'l
POYUtah 121-137(47%), 6 losing seasons, 1 conf champ, 1 NCAA, 0 NITs, 0
Nat'l POYBYU has won 7 in a row, 11 of 12, 12 of 15 during the
Dave Rose eraIt's obvious why Utah has to play such a weak
non-conference schedule; that's the only way Utah can possibly finish with
a winning record.
The commentators on the ESPNU broadcast last night raving about the freshman
Mika said within the next 3 years "BYU will be a final four type team".
Unlike chrissy, those guys know talent when they see it."Stanford and Texas were good wins, but certainly not great wins(as
neither of them is even projected to be in the top half of their
conference)."No one that I know of said the above were
"great" wins, but thanks anyway for your thoughtful reminder chrissy. We
would have never known.Go Cougars!!!
I was at the game last night. BYU did all they could to hold off the Texas
Bigs...which is good experience for Mika. Austin was tormented, Worthington
hasn't come up from the high school level...but, that's the best we
have. The refs let Texas pound us for 30 minutes, then suddenly flipped and
called every teeny, tiny thing (which is how the rule book reads this year).
Wichita State is good -- very very good! I would be surprised to win this game.
If we do, it will be because we are shooting lights out for most of the game
(which can happen). Talent wise, WS has the edge (plus the crowd), but you play
for these types of opportunities, so let's see what we can do tonight?
@ Big 12 (Chris)He actually went back to last year and Southern Miss.
Say all you want about stats, and rpi's,strength of schedules, and
rankings, and blah, blah blah. Who passes the eye test? Who would
you rather watch in person? For most people sports is entertainment. I'll choose BYU anyday. They have some legit players, play an exciting
brand of basketball and for entertainment value alone, you'll get the most
bang for your buck. I wouldn't go watch Utah if somebody gave
me free tickets. To me it would be a waste of time.
1978,Had to go back 3 years to try and counter an argument made by
byu fans about last year and this years Utah's schedules?LOL
With each game, I get more excited about the future of BYU Bball. This team
responded very well to a tight & heartbreaking loss against ISU. I doubt
we'll beat Wichita St. but we can hang with them and it wouldn't be a
huge upset if we won. Shooting 80%+ from 3 like last night would certainly
help. The biggest concern is the streakiness of that outside shooting. We need
to get better interior D and continue to get the assists working it inside
ourselves. There are visible improvement over last year for many players with
room for more. These next 5 years will be some exciting basketball for the
"they couldn't run with us" - Rick BarnesWell, dude, I
guess they can. Not bad for a bunch of "old guys". Barnes just got
beat and now is acting like a little kid.
christyUtah opened the 2012-13 PAC season losing 5 straight, and 7
of their first 8 conference games, all but eliminating the Utes from the
conference race by January 16th.Utah "improved" during
conference play, but it's obvious that Utah's pre-season cupcake
schedule did absolutely nothing to help the Utes get ready for conference
play.If you think that beating Evergreen State at home is going to
prepare the Utes to face the rigors of PAC 12 conference play, you're only
fooling yourself. The Utes might get a break-through win or two in
an 18-game conference schedule, but their overall conference record will still
be mediocre to lousy.
"byu is just inept at beating any good teams."BYU's
road victory last season over Southern Miss in the NIT (RPI #34) was better than
any win Utah had.In the 2010 - 2011 season BYU was 5-0 against top
25 teams during the regular season. San Diego State twice, UNLV twice and
Arizona once by 22 pts.You were saying?
I have been the first one to say that Utah has improved.BYU is much better
than last year as well.129 teams play in the post season, before too much
pomposity is shown. Even Utah Valley University a full Division 1 team for 5
years has had a post season birth since the last time the Utes were invited.If I were only a Ute fan BYU basketball articles I would avoid.
Christopher BUtah also had more bottom 250+ losses than BYU last
season; a lot more, since BYU didn't have any such losses.For
all of your chest-beating about how great you were picking up a couple of Top
100 RPI wins, you still only managed to improve your conference record from 3-15
to 5-13, proving that all of those pre-season cupcakes didn't do anything
to prepare you for conference play.Current Sagarin Rankings#25
BYU(4-1) - SOS #78#79 Utah(4-0) - SOS #350Sagarin and the NCAA
selection committee don't even count wins against non-Div 1 teams.Bottom line: the Utes don't have a prayer of getting an at-large NCAA bid
with their pathetic, worst in the country, pre-season schedule.
besmart,Yes, Utah had several very bad losses, mostly at the
beginning of the season. By that, I'm not saying they don't count,
just that we saw a lot of improvement. Byu fans just need to use a
little logic when they laugh at Utah's schedule, as they did last year,
when Utah had MORE top 100 rpi wins than byu.Either Utah's
schedule was pretty goodorbyu is just inept at beating
any good teams.Either way, LOL
ekute - maybe your right about BYU not being able to "win the big games"
- well we shall see as the season progresses. How has Utah been doing against
BYU lately? Go Cougars!
@ ekuteSo if I am understanding right it is better to lose on the Pac-12
where no one east of the rockies can watch, than losing on ESPN or NBC that a
lot of people can watch?Plus how are close losses in both football and
basketball "exposed"?Did UCLA expose Utah? Did OSU, ASU, and
Oregon expose Utah? Did Utah expose Stanford? lol40 million people
can watch the Pac-12 networks (who knows how many subscribe)50 Million can
watch BYUtv. LOLHave a nice day
2 of the first 3 comments on a BYU sports article from Ute "Fans" -
typical.I don't know what the big deal is about Wichita State.
They are not from a BCS conference.
Ekute,Well at least BYU plays on espn. Uta h can't even get a game
on any network. Game over.
I may be mistaken but 6 out of 12 places is the top half.Stanford was
picked 6th in the Pac therefore in the top half (by the media).Your
argument about top 100 wins is interesting but kind of funny, lets use the RPI
rankings for the two teamsBYU 58th RPI and played the 83rd toughest
scheduleUtah 159th RPI and played the 77th toughest scheduleBYU-
semifinals of the NIT tourneyUtah- No tournament invite.With the
current post-season tournaments 129 teams play in the post-season (no invite
your team is bad)In fact in 2012 Utah Valley University received a
post-season birth in the CBI.So it looks as though Utah is trying to catch
up to UVU and be invited to a post season tournament.Have a good day.
BYU people don't congregate on BYU articles to mock the U's schedule.
I bet most people would not even pay much mind to the U if some people were not
constantly blowing their loud horn about the U. But please, by all means, use
your down time during the Christmas break to give us breathtaking facts about
the U and their prowess compared to BYU.
Just like in football, byu can't win the big games. But they love getting
"exposed" on espn.
Wichita State is a very good outside shooting team. BYU will have a good chance
to pull off the upset if they could keep stride in their outside shooting. If
Haws gets hot and hence leave pressure off Carlino, then I like BYU's
chances. It will be a tough game for BYU no question with very little room of
error if they expect to win. Go Cougars!