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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 27 2013 11:07 p.m. MST

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Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Mountanman (sic)

Well, you skated the major points but if what you claim is true, then you should be able to easily answer my question. I'll repeat: What year in your life was the effective tax rate for the majority of Americans lower than it is now? Or, I can make it ever more-simple for you: During your life, under which President was the effective tax rate for the majority of Americans lower than under the current administration? Direct questions, direct answer please.

BTW - If you're paying a "tax" for the ACA per the SCOTUS, it isn't due to taxation, it is because you are breaking the law. Do you now advocate no retribution for law-breakers such as yourself?

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Worse than a cut in benefits is the increase in the number of people who have adopted the ENTITLEMENT mentality.

Obama has ruined the economy, punished the producers, taxed the workers, and rewarded those who do not work with multiple overlapping programs that comprise the "welfare plantation."

The "poor" in America live pretty well. True starvation and malnutrition are extremely rare in this country, and a small cut in welfare food stamps (the true description, not the euphemistic "SNAP" name) will not kill anyone.

Americans are truly generous people to help the real needy, but funding lavish government programs is wasteful and terribly inefficient in actually helping the truly needy.

Welfare is supposed to be a safety net, not the hammock it has become.

LarryLinn
LOS ANGELES, CA

“The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat,” said Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-TN), invoking the Bible to explain his vote earlier this year to cut food stamps while calling for increased crop subsidies for farmers. His family farm received more than $3.5 million in federal money over the years, making him the leader of the 33 members of Congress who voted to cut food stamps, a program that helps the least among us, while having no qualms about accepting federal largesse for their farm businesses.

Abe
Longmont, CO

Wait....I am confused..... the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES), the most comprehensive study that documents the nutritional status of the U.S. population, has found that low-income children and adolescents are more likely to be obese than their higher income counterparts. AND reports have shown a higher prevalence of obesity among low-income adults. One study revealed that more than one-third of adults who earn less than $15,000 annually were obese, as compared to 25 percent of those who earn more than $50,000 a year.

What are we worried about!?!? Have a happy Thanksgiving!

worf
Mcallen, TX

@ABE, & TexasCoug,---according to some of our posters, Obama can do no wrong.

It's George Bush, and Republicans who did all this.

Crazy!

RBB
Sandy, UT

It is a difficult problem. You want to help people, but encouraging people to be permanently on the government dole is not really helping them. The program is supposed to be supplemental, not their only source of food. At $1 per meal you are not starving.

What is interesting is how people survived before FDR and LBJ brought us all of these welfare programs. I guess people found a way to make a living rather than live off the government. I volunteer at a food bank. Some of the people coming in appear truly needy. Others have nicer clothes than I do and drive away in late model cars. I ultimately cannot judge who needs it or not, but I am concerned that our country is changing from self-sufficiency to relying on the government.

As a kid I qualified for reduced rate lunch at school. That was not an option however. If I wanted school lunch I worked in the lunch room. Otherwise I was brown bagging. I agree with Ben Franklin. We need to help the poor, but we also need to make them uncomfortable in that poverty.

tgurd
Gonzales, LA

1st Montanaman is more correct intervention, 2nd hes correct again as far as taxes any place your taxed, a tax not just income tax, prices are way up amounts are down on what you buy exp instead of 32 oz its now 28 for same price or more check the weight another food stamps are a lot more than 1.40 per meal a family of 4 gets 500.00 that's a pretty good amount for groc don't you just say. Again you can buy everything with the ebt card not just groc, fraud is rampant from selling the cards for pennies on the dollar for booze cigs or what ever else. The truth of the matter is its not just Obama its congress both republicans and demos we need to vote all of them out with rare exceptions. Yes we have become a nation of poor because we keep voting for those that do most damage to us. Wait until the ACA kicks in and you find out how fooled you were in that, the job loss will be staggering and then maybe, you may start checking more closely on whom you vote for. May we wake up before its to late.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Stalwart: I have never been one of the 47% of Americans who pay no federal income taxes so to answer your question, I pay income taxes every year and they have never been lower than the previous year as far back as when I first started to work. In other words, my taxes have increased every year! But more to the point, what about all those hidden taxes that liberals never count? If we continue to punish achievement, self reliance, success and hard work in this country we will have more and more cities like Detroit and Chicago.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

Invariably when tax rates are lowered tax revenue surges. Democrats never seem to get this. Many of us are pulling the wagon and some need to be on it. The problem is a lot of people are on the wagon and wagon riders are growing in numbers. Some time the remaining wagon pullers (tax payers) will run out of money and we will be Greece.

Lightbearer
Brigham City, UT

Complaint of a Person Living Comfortably

Those down and out
Should please just do without.
Never a treat,
Rice and beans they should eat.
Naught should they own,
Neither TV nor phone -
And just forget
About the Internet.
Their whole striving
Should just be surviving.
This world's pleasures
Are for those with treasures.
Shame on the poor
For not suffering more!

Mark B
Eureka, CA

Gosh, did history according to Abe start when Obama took office? Could we think of any reason why 2009 food stamp usage would have been higher than previous years? Maybe Abe should ask his banker.

Sorry Charlie!
SLC, UT

@abe

can you say inflation?

can you say a growing general population?

can you say despite a decade of recession the poverty has dropped 7% since linden johnson made that speech?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Invariably when tax rates are lowered tax revenue surges."

How about providing data to back up that point?

I will help you. History has shown that when taxes went from 90% to 70%, there was an increase in revenue. From 39% to 35%? Your claim does not hold true.

Under Reagan, the top tax rate was 50% or higher for most of his presidency. And the economy did very well.

So, why is a 39% top tax rate a job killer, when a 50% rate was great?

Inquiring minds want to know....

tgurd
Gonzales, LA

Let me see if I can answer your question joe, that reason more revenue surges is because people have more money, corporations have more money, they hire people which creates more money available to infuse into the economy. Check this out being on welfare takes from the middle class more than any other because the middle class is the backbone of our economy. My son lives in Finland where the taxes are over 60% yes he has low cost health insurance however that's all that's low cost, food housing and many other things are almost unaffordable. I hope that someday people will quit with the pointing fingers of parties and realize they both stink because of the money that has been brought in by packs, special interest and many others and yes including large businesses, do you think its more unacceptable for wealthy people to have their special interest groups yet the unions and others that come for hand outs, that's ok?
The real cause for our financial mess is the redundancy of programs the fraud and waste the graft and corruption and all those other things that are never really monitored with tax payers money.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Mountanman (sic)

That does not answer my question. I'll repeat a second time: What year in your life was the effective tax rate for the majority of Americans lower than it is now? Direct question, please provide a direct answer. If you refuse or cannot provide a year, please refrain from responding.

Further, unless you just started work for the first time in the past year or two, if your taxes have been going up annually throughout your career then you are being fleeced by your accountant; that is not the government's fault.

Finally, please include all the "hidden taxes that liberals never count" in your analysis and you'll end up with this magical thing called an effective tax rate.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

" that reason more revenue surges is because people have more money, corporations have more money, they hire people which creates more money available to infuse into the economy."

But, the question you did NOT answer is how the economy "surged" under Reagans 50% top tax rate, but todays rate of 39% is branded as a job killer.

ute alumni
paradise, UT

ss (sic)
sick is the operative word. a mindset that one feels entitled to take other's money and give it to someone else.What gives them that right? Being a liberal.

tgurd
Gonzales, LA

To mountan man the years 1947-the early 60s to answer your question directly check it out and i hardly believe the tax rate you see now is anymore than a build up to a sky rocketing tax which sould becoming out after the 2014 elections the tax rate was held down for people to think what a wonderful washington we have. 17 trillion in debt 50 billion being printed a month now sir do you really believe the tax rate is what is said, on paper it says 39% for the highest yours maybe only 14 some other more however when you add all of the other taxes inflicted upon your real estate county city food and most all you buy 39% to me is very high. why not have a flat tax of 12% have you ever wondered why the simple things that can put us on the road to recovery are never done? what would be wrong with insurances open across state lines? that would solve health care problems, but noooooo never done.Why not as a nation we demand these things instead of defending political parties?

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

ute alumni

Q: What gives them that right?

A: The COTUS, although you've mischaracterized the process in an attempt to couch the idea of taxation as "stealing". However, if you are going to retain that mindset then I need to remind you that Utah (as well as Mountanman's (sic) state of Idaho) is a net debtor (over $20 billion for Utah) of federal taxes. That means Utah "steals" more in federal monies than it pays in taxes, California is a net creditor. In fact, Utah has "stolen" more in federal monies than it paid in taxes for about 30 straight years. So, until you cut the state of California a personal check for about $10K, you have no leg to stand on. You and Mountanman (sic) are takers/stealers in American society, yet you have the gaul to deride others - very sad.

tgurd - Thank you for the response re: tax rates, much appreciated. But, your immediate insistence that a tax rate which is at lows not seen in 60+ years will somehow magically skyrocket after 2014 is factually unfounded.

Looks like you're from Louisiana, one of the largest net debtors in federal funds; I'll be waiting for your check too.

wYo8
Rock Springs, WY

I just hope that there are food stamps for those of us who will be stuck with the obamacare bill. Doubling ones premiums and deductibles is going to have to come from somewhere with a paycheck to paycheck budget many live on.

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