I for one would rather freely give $100.00 to the food bank than $20.00 taken
from me in taxes. I'm pretty sure a much Higher percentage of my money
would go to the needy that was given to the food bank than the money the
government takes from me. I also imagine those who receive food from the food
bank are more thankful for that than money they receive from SNAP.
The USDA says there is about $750 million in food stamp fraud each year. If I
were a betting man, I would multiply that by 10 times and I would be pretty
accurate. Don't believe it? Ask any grocery store clerk! In addition, I can
purchase EBT cards on the street in any larger city for pennies on the dollar so
the seller can buy crack and meth! What's Obama's solution? Double the
food stamps, quadruple the fraud!
$4 trillion spent on Iraq. Government shutdown $24 billion. 47 failed attempts to repeal the ACA, $50 million. And the needy,
starve. Wrong priorities.
We've become a nation of beggars.
Thank goodness we spent $4 trillion dollars on Iraq.
You know, things are a bit thin for us this year, too.We've had to
cut back far more than the food stamp cuts just to get by.Why don't
you write something about the plight of the self-reliant?Then again, when
your source material comes from MSNBC I might as well be talking to the wall.What has become of the Deseret News?
lets have a little reality check here. according the USDA food stamp fraud has
actually dropped over the past decade from 4 cents of every dollar to 1 cent per
every dollar. second, food stamps provides 1.40 per person per meal, if you
think people on food stamps are living high and mighty on your tax dollars you
may want to think again and third , even if mountain man's claims about
buying food stamps on the streets were correct by his on estimate of
"pennies on the dollar" it would mean that those trying to commit fraud
would be making 1.4 cents per meal they sold, hardly a booming industry. We
should do everything we can to stop fraud as it takes away resources to those
that need them the most but lets not pretend that all food stamp recipients are
nothing but money hungry vultures living high on the hog.
'The $2.5 Trillion tragedy: What America has given up for 10 years of Bush
tax cuts' - By Zaid Jilani – Think Progress – 07/07/11 'While doing so, Bush promised prosperity and growth, but the
nation got neither.The cost of these budget-busting 2001 and 2003
tax cuts was, as estimated by Citizens for Tax Justice, roughly $2.5 trillion
@ Pagan. Every American who pays federal income taxes got a tax cut under
President Bush. Even though I am not rich, I liked my tax cut very much because,
I always thought it was MY money and not the government's money since I
actually worked for it! In any event. GWB is not the President today and
hasn't been for nearly 6 years. Meanwhile under Obama the national debt has
jumped by over $7 trillion which is more than the total increase during the 8
Bush years even with the tax cut! Obama gave us all a tax increase but that
hasn't slowed the growth of the national debt, in fact it has accelerated
under Obama! Blaming Bush for Obama's failures is getting a bit old,
don't you think?
@Pagan;Over seventy percent of the worlds weapons have come from
this country---UN websiteBillions of tax dollars were recently used
to send fighter jets, helicopters, and tanks to Egypt, Indonesia, and South
Korea. Mexican Cartels have American guns.Fifteen thousand Americans
are still in Iraq. Afghanistan is still a war zone.
@interventionPlease don't confuse Republicans with a reality
More than half our people are on their knees begging for food is shameful. Our
children being fed at school? Un-American!A fact of our government
having poor & corrupt leadership!Can't spin this any other
way. Blame, blame, blame, by uninformed minds will not fix this.
For behold, are we not all beggars? Do we not all depend upon the same Being,
even God, for all the substance which we have, for both food and raiment, and
for gold, and for silver, and for all the riches which we have of every kind?And if ye judge the man who putteth up his petition to you for your
substance that he perish not, and condemn him, how much more just will be your
condemnation for withholding your substance, which doth not belong to you but to
God, to whom also your life belongeth; and yet ye put up no petition, nor repent
of the thing which thou hast done. I say unto you, wo be unto that
man, for his substance shall perish with him; and now, I say these things unto
those who are rich as pertaining to the things of this world
Go to any convenience store almost anywhere and watch what is being bought with
food stamps and you will see the abuse going on. It would be interesting to see
the difference between the truly needy and the a users, a figure that probably
is much higher than one suspects.
Fraud is what, 5%? So the TP put everyone else in the cattle cars and ship them
out.It's not the Govt. money? You are the Government and are
responsible for the wellfare of the Nation. When will we stop the ME,ME,ME
mentality? Pope Francis was right, we lost sight of the Christian message and
now it is just greed, greed. WHo knows, you might soon be the richest person in
the graveyard.If the greddy are sitting down for Thanksgiving
dinner, please don't. Your wealth most likely came at the expense of those
you shun, and ignoring what made you successful with educated people, a good
infrastructure and don't forget all of the Govt and quasi Govt programs
that aide your business developement.Go to a homeless shelter and
donate your warm clothes, someone needs them more than you.
Conservatives complain and complain and complain yet literally do nothing to fix
the undeniable truth that 1) corporate profits are at record highs, 2) American
workers are more productive than ever before, yet 3) more American workers (yes,
workers) are forced to use SNAP out of necessity. If they had an
ounce of integrity or a shred of sincerity in their hollow claims that they want
to "teach people to be independent" then they'd fight with liberals
to raise the minimum wage. Mountanman (sic)3 things:
1 - I'd take that bet and you'd lose. 2 - It
appears you're from Idaho, a severe net debtor in federal taxes. So,
I've paid to educate you, I've paid for the roads you drive on,
I've paid for the clean air you breath, among so many other things. You
owe a debt to society, your entire paycheck is not "yours". 3 - Please, name a time in your life in which the effective tax rate for the
majority of Americans was lower than it is now. Tax rates are at near-historic
lows, seems you have a personal finance management issue. Stop blaming the
government for your inability to budget.
@ Stalwart..News flash: there are other taxes many of them hidden taxes and
now....drumroll...there are Obamacare taxes! SCOTUS says so! We do not have near
historic lows in taxation! Among other taxes, we have the highest corporate
taxes in the world and guess who actually gets those taxes passed on in higher
costs of goods? Nice try, but you are completely wrong!
Lets not forget the other critical welfare handouts our government is so found
of doling out:• $220 million in credits for Puerto Rican rum
distillers• $12 billion for wind-farm energy producers•
$250 million for Hollywood film production• $62 million for
employers in American Samoa, principally StarKist, the largest company in the
South Pacific island• $330 million for the railroad industry• $78 million for Nascar racetrack constructionThe average
SNAP cut is 7%The average wage cut in 2013 is 8%The average Tax
increase for the working is 2%Its all good!
On March 16, 1964, President Lyndon Johnson declared war on poverty in the
United States. He created large-scale national programs aimed at helping the
poor and needy that consumed nearly 1.2 percent of the nation’s gross
domestic product. The programs were meant to be temporary, short-term
investments. Instead they have become permanent fixtures in government
programming and spawned the creation of dozens more programs over the years.
Today, spending on welfare programs is 13 times greater than it was in 1964.Obama’s 2011 budget requests that food stamps spending rise from $39
billion to $75 billion. Obama’s 2011 budget also requests these expansions
be made permanent. In addition, eligibility for this program was expanded.
Within President Obama’s first year in office, food stamp rolls grew by
over 5 million people—the single largest increase in a one-year period in
over three decades.Can you say EPIC FAILURE!!
I for one have higher taxes than ever this past year with the so called "tax
relief act" which congress and the President both allowed to happen. The
government is not a solution to our problems, except for the most unfortunate
that are unable to provide for themselves. I for one have seen plenty of food
stamp abuse personally with friends. I have clients on Medicaid- most likely on
food stamps- who have nicer phones (which my tax dollars probably paid for) than
me. And they refuse to show up for appointments which they don't have to
pay a dime for. I would love to help the most needy, which I do, but I do not
want more of my money going to a corrupt government (not just Democrats), who is
not fiscally responsible and gives unnecessary assistance to those who
don't know how to manage their money.
Mountanman (sic) Well, you skated the major points but if what you
claim is true, then you should be able to easily answer my question. I'll
repeat: What year in your life was the effective tax rate for the majority of
Americans lower than it is now? Or, I can make it ever more-simple for you:
During your life, under which President was the effective tax rate for the
majority of Americans lower than under the current administration? Direct
questions, direct answer please. BTW - If you're paying a
"tax" for the ACA per the SCOTUS, it isn't due to taxation, it is
because you are breaking the law. Do you now advocate no retribution for
law-breakers such as yourself?
Worse than a cut in benefits is the increase in the number of people who have
adopted the ENTITLEMENT mentality.Obama has ruined the economy,
punished the producers, taxed the workers, and rewarded those who do not work
with multiple overlapping programs that comprise the "welfare
plantation."The "poor" in America live pretty well.
True starvation and malnutrition are extremely rare in this country, and a small
cut in welfare food stamps (the true description, not the euphemistic
"SNAP" name) will not kill anyone.Americans are truly
generous people to help the real needy, but funding lavish government programs
is wasteful and terribly inefficient in actually helping the truly needy.Welfare is supposed to be a safety net, not the hammock it has become.
“The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat,” said Rep. Stephen
Fincher (R-TN), invoking the Bible to explain his vote earlier this year to cut
food stamps while calling for increased crop subsidies for farmers. His family
farm received more than $3.5 million in federal money over the years, making him
the leader of the 33 members of Congress who voted to cut food stamps, a program
that helps the least among us, while having no qualms about accepting federal
largesse for their farm businesses.
Wait....I am confused..... the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey
(NHANES), the most comprehensive study that documents the nutritional status of
the U.S. population, has found that low-income children and adolescents are more
likely to be obese than their higher income counterparts. AND reports have shown
a higher prevalence of obesity among low-income adults. One study revealed that
more than one-third of adults who earn less than $15,000 annually were obese, as
compared to 25 percent of those who earn more than $50,000 a year.What are we worried about!?!? Have a happy Thanksgiving!
@ABE, & TexasCoug,---according to some of our posters, Obama can do no
wrong.It's George Bush, and Republicans who did all this.Crazy!
It is a difficult problem. You want to help people, but encouraging people to
be permanently on the government dole is not really helping them. The program
is supposed to be supplemental, not their only source of food. At $1 per meal
you are not starving. What is interesting is how people survived
before FDR and LBJ brought us all of these welfare programs. I guess people
found a way to make a living rather than live off the government. I volunteer
at a food bank. Some of the people coming in appear truly needy. Others have
nicer clothes than I do and drive away in late model cars. I ultimately cannot
judge who needs it or not, but I am concerned that our country is changing from
self-sufficiency to relying on the government.As a kid I qualified
for reduced rate lunch at school. That was not an option however. If I wanted
school lunch I worked in the lunch room. Otherwise I was brown bagging. I
agree with Ben Franklin. We need to help the poor, but we also need to make
them uncomfortable in that poverty.
1st Montanaman is more correct intervention, 2nd hes correct again as far as
taxes any place your taxed, a tax not just income tax, prices are way up amounts
are down on what you buy exp instead of 32 oz its now 28 for same price or more
check the weight another food stamps are a lot more than 1.40 per meal a family
of 4 gets 500.00 that's a pretty good amount for groc don't you just
say. Again you can buy everything with the ebt card not just groc, fraud is
rampant from selling the cards for pennies on the dollar for booze cigs or what
ever else. The truth of the matter is its not just Obama its congress both
republicans and demos we need to vote all of them out with rare exceptions. Yes
we have become a nation of poor because we keep voting for those that do most
damage to us. Wait until the ACA kicks in and you find out how fooled you were
in that, the job loss will be staggering and then maybe, you may start checking
more closely on whom you vote for. May we wake up before its to late.
Stalwart: I have never been one of the 47% of Americans who pay no federal
income taxes so to answer your question, I pay income taxes every year and they
have never been lower than the previous year as far back as when I first started
to work. In other words, my taxes have increased every year! But more to the
point, what about all those hidden taxes that liberals never count? If we
continue to punish achievement, self reliance, success and hard work in this
country we will have more and more cities like Detroit and Chicago.
Invariably when tax rates are lowered tax revenue surges. Democrats never seem
to get this. Many of us are pulling the wagon and some need to be on it. The
problem is a lot of people are on the wagon and wagon riders are growing in
numbers. Some time the remaining wagon pullers (tax payers) will run out of
money and we will be Greece.
Complaint of a Person Living ComfortablyThose down and outShould please just do without.Never a treat,Rice and beans they
should eat.Naught should they own,Neither TV nor phone -And
just forgetAbout the Internet.Their whole strivingShould just
be surviving.This world's pleasuresAre for those with
treasures.Shame on the poorFor not suffering more!
Gosh, did history according to Abe start when Obama took office? Could we think
of any reason why 2009 food stamp usage would have been higher than previous
years? Maybe Abe should ask his banker.
@abecan you say inflation?can you say a growing general
population?can you say despite a decade of recession the poverty has
dropped 7% since linden johnson made that speech?
"Invariably when tax rates are lowered tax revenue surges."How about providing data to back up that point?I will help you.
History has shown that when taxes went from 90% to 70%, there was an increase in
revenue. From 39% to 35%? Your claim does not hold true.Under
Reagan, the top tax rate was 50% or higher for most of his presidency. And the
economy did very well.So, why is a 39% top tax rate a job killer,
when a 50% rate was great?Inquiring minds want to know....
Let me see if I can answer your question joe, that reason more revenue surges is
because people have more money, corporations have more money, they hire people
which creates more money available to infuse into the economy. Check this out
being on welfare takes from the middle class more than any other because the
middle class is the backbone of our economy. My son lives in Finland where the
taxes are over 60% yes he has low cost health insurance however that's all
that's low cost, food housing and many other things are almost
unaffordable. I hope that someday people will quit with the pointing fingers of
parties and realize they both stink because of the money that has been brought
in by packs, special interest and many others and yes including large
businesses, do you think its more unacceptable for wealthy people to have their
special interest groups yet the unions and others that come for hand outs,
that's ok? The real cause for our financial mess is the redundancy of
programs the fraud and waste the graft and corruption and all those other things
that are never really monitored with tax payers money.
Mountanman (sic) That does not answer my question. I'll repeat
a second time: What year in your life was the effective tax rate for the
majority of Americans lower than it is now? Direct question, please provide a
direct answer. If you refuse or cannot provide a year, please refrain from
responding.Further, unless you just started work for the first time
in the past year or two, if your taxes have been going up annually throughout
your career then you are being fleeced by your accountant; that is not the
government's fault. Finally, please include all the
"hidden taxes that liberals never count" in your analysis and
you'll end up with this magical thing called an effective tax rate.
" that reason more revenue surges is because people have more money,
corporations have more money, they hire people which creates more money
available to infuse into the economy."But, the question you did
NOT answer is how the economy "surged" under Reagans 50% top tax rate,
but todays rate of 39% is branded as a job killer.
ss (sic)sick is the operative word. a mindset that one feels entitled to
take other's money and give it to someone else.What gives them that right?
Being a liberal.
To mountan man the years 1947-the early 60s to answer your question directly
check it out and i hardly believe the tax rate you see now is anymore than a
build up to a sky rocketing tax which sould becoming out after the 2014
elections the tax rate was held down for people to think what a wonderful
washington we have. 17 trillion in debt 50 billion being printed a month now sir
do you really believe the tax rate is what is said, on paper it says 39% for the
highest yours maybe only 14 some other more however when you add all of the
other taxes inflicted upon your real estate county city food and most all you
buy 39% to me is very high. why not have a flat tax of 12% have you ever
wondered why the simple things that can put us on the road to recovery are never
done? what would be wrong with insurances open across state lines? that would
solve health care problems, but noooooo never done.Why not as a nation we demand
these things instead of defending political parties?
ute alumni Q: What gives them that right?A: The COTUS,
although you've mischaracterized the process in an attempt to couch the
idea of taxation as "stealing". However, if you are going to retain
that mindset then I need to remind you that Utah (as well as Mountanman's
(sic) state of Idaho) is a net debtor (over $20 billion for Utah) of federal
taxes. That means Utah "steals" more in federal monies than it pays in
taxes, California is a net creditor. In fact, Utah has "stolen" more in
federal monies than it paid in taxes for about 30 straight years. So, until you
cut the state of California a personal check for about $10K, you have no leg to
stand on. You and Mountanman (sic) are takers/stealers in American society, yet
you have the gaul to deride others - very sad. tgurd - Thank you
for the response re: tax rates, much appreciated. But, your immediate
insistence that a tax rate which is at lows not seen in 60+ years will somehow
magically skyrocket after 2014 is factually unfounded. Looks like
you're from Louisiana, one of the largest net debtors in federal funds;
I'll be waiting for your check too.
I just hope that there are food stamps for those of us who will be stuck with
the obamacare bill. Doubling ones premiums and deductibles is going to have to
come from somewhere with a paycheck to paycheck budget many live on.