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Published: Monday, Nov. 25 2013 10:30 p.m. MST

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Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ 2BCSWINS:

By stating that nobody cares about the Kraft Hunger Bowl, you honestly sound jealous and even somewhat desperate. I totally guarantee (not a Chris B type of guarantee) that Utah would've jumped at the opportunity to play in that bowl... or any other bowl if given the opportunity. Unfortunately, it won't happen. I've been pulling for them (and usually do when they aren't playing BYU or USU) to become bowl eligible.

A truism you should never forget: Any bowl is better than no bowl.

@ fender:

I doubt they even had the Sagarin rankings 29 years ago... in 1984. But even if they did, what has that got to do with this season? Absolutely nothing at all. Two facts still exist:

1) Like it or not, BYU was crowned the 1984 National Champions based on the national polls that year. Period.
2) BYU will likely finish ahead of Utah in the Sagarin and every other national poll at the end of this season... again. Polls are the general concensus on who finishes the season as the better teams throughout the country. Again, Utah better on September 21st, but BYU better overall.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ Christopher B:

Speaking of 2014 schedules... Utah's might even be harder than this year's schedule. As such, and based upon what happened to Utah this year, what do you expect the results will be next year? Not pretty. You should think a litte harder before throwing out your ill-timed LOL's.

Kyle would probably pay big bucks to be able to switch schedules with BYU at this point. And so would a lot of other Ute fans who are getting tired or losing and not garning respect in doing so. How is that you keep missing the boat? Head in the sand?

You of all people should not be poking fun at Cal... seeing that Utah is once again contending with them for a very unenviable title.

Something else your ultra-biased thinking keeps forgetting... schedules are made years in advance. Nobody knows who will be the power teams by the time those seasons actually come about. Every team has up years and down years. Texas may be a top 10 team next year. Nobody knows for certain, and especially not you. We all know how most of your predictions go. lol.

jazzer
St. George, UT

BYU will lose 1 gsame next season. We have the talent, and our schedule is favorable.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ Christopher B:

It's actually quite silly to brag about a tough schedule that you can't even compete in. Weber State could create the toughest football schedule in the world, but what would that prove? Considering how your comments made you look last Saturday, you should quit digging yourself in deeper. Ute fans seem to be disowning the person making such claims and guarantees, and everyone else is actually laughing... guaranteed.

One other thought. At least BYU is smart enough to create schedules they are competitive in. Can Utah claim the same thing? (and yes, by accepting PAC12 membership, they are creating their schedules). The proof is in the results. He who laughs last (and ends up ranked better) laughs best.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@christina

"The best 25 teams in football each year end the season in the top 25. Its really quite simple."

I agree with you completely, it is just you that doesn't really agree with yourself. Let's not forget that BYU has finished in those rankings yet you still seem to think utah, which has not finished in those rankings, is better based on the results of one game. I guess when it is utah finishing out of the top 25, and BYU finishing in the top 25, that it really isn't that simple huh?

Nothing like tuah "fan" hypocrisy to keep things around here interesting. LOL!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Tators

Considering BYU is ranked #24, and Utah #26; I wouldn't beat on my chest just yet. Not much difference between #24 and #26 anyway. It would be a shame if you didn't have the Saragin rankings to lean on, because we all know who won the actual game.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

Just to throw something into the conversation
How about a ranking that actually matters (since both teams can't reach the top 25)
BCS
BYU-41
Utah- 59

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Tators,

"At least BYU is smart enough to create schedules they are competitive in"

So you agree byu can only be competitive by playing the 2 worst BCS programs in their respective divisions and then texas?

LOL!

I thought you were guys were going after national titles? That's what Bronco keeps saying. Shouldn't a national title worthy team be able to play a national title worthy schedule?

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ Spokane Ute:

When did I beat on my chest? If you actually read my comments to this article, I said that whoever is ranked higher at the end of the season... since the end of th season isn't here yet.

Based on what happened last week and also the last time Colorado played in SLC, there isn't much reason to expect much from our SLC team this coming Saturday... though I do hope they prevail.

I believe (and odds-makers will probably agree) there is a better chance of BYU beating Nevada, and thus, end up higher ranked in the end-of-season rankings. It's pretty much an objective assessment. No chest thumping.

@ Chrisopher B:

Quit being so bellicose! You are much better at insidiously putting words into people's mouths than you are at predicting games. But at least you appear to be good at something.

If you had any objectivity at all, you would've understood I said that BYU has been more competitive with their (top 20% in difficulty) schedule this season than Utah has been with their schedule. It's not so difficult to understand. Try a bit harder to keep up next time.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@christina

BYU's schedule SOS is 23rd, that is top 25 by real math. Last I checked in the 5 so called "power" conferences there are approximately 60 total teams. That means BYU schedule is btter than more than half of those teams. Not evey single one of them has an SOS ranked #1, in fact only one of them has that. That means all of the others have an SOS lower than that yet they supposedly have schedules "worthy" of national title consideration.

You really struggle when it comes to some pretty simple things, stuff like facts and logic.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Be Smart

Why do the BCS rankings matter more than the Saragin, when you aren't in the top 25 anyway? Neither team has any chance of sniffing a BCS bolw. Where do I find a BCS ranking that goes beyond 25 teams? The Saragin rankings, ranks 252 teams.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

To the poster above who mentioned Rich Rodriguez being at Arizona State - he is at the University of Arizona. Todd Graham is the coach at ASU. Formerly at Tulsa, WV, Rice and the real program founder of what's become Allen, TX HS football (ranked #2 nationally again this year). Sharp guy, Todd Graham. The U should hire him away.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@christina

Interestingly NONE of the teams currently in contention for the national championship have a SOS higher than BYU's, none of them.

Florida St. (76)
Alabama (55)
Baylor (65)
Ohio St (67)
Oregon (25) they aren't in contention nor is any pac12 team but their SOS is lower
Wisconsin (45)
Missouri (39)
Oklahoma St (41)

Hmmm........

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ Christopher B:

I really don't understand why people have to keep taking you by the hand in trying to explain simple concepts. But let's try this once again...

BYU has a schedule this year that is in the top 20% in the nation in difficulty. Not as difficult as Utahs, but ranked more difficult than several teams currently listed in the top 10 nationally.

As such, why wouldn't their schedule be considered worthy of national contention if they had won enough of those games? Please try answering in an objecive and non-obtrusive way, since most of your comments are just the opposite.

Every objective football pundit (you've already excluded yourself) agrees that that level of strength of schedule qualififies for national consideration.

BYU soundly beat Texas who currently leads a BCS conference, plus Houston and USU who also lead their respective conferences. You somehow forgot to mention those facts.

In fact, BYU's strength of schedule this year is more difficult that any schedule Utah has ever had prior to this year. Period... even in the years they qualified for BCS bowl games.

Facts (as opposed to some commenters who make game guarantees) don't lie.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

CBS sports will show you the full rankings.
I actually mocked the fact that rankings are brought into the picture when neither is the top 25.
Lets see why are the BCS rankings more important well lets see they decide the National Champion.
Sagarin rankings are a part of the BCS rankings so the BCS is more comprehensive. That is like saying an arm is more important than the whole body.
Have a good day.

tinplater
scottsdale, AZ

@rlsintx..

Why in the world would Graham go to Utah when successful at ASU? Sun Devils send him to SLC for a single day in January, and he would get on the first plane back. Winters in northern Utah are horrific ( spent 21 of them in Cache Valley).

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ Spokane Ute:

You seemed to have fallen into the same trap that a few other Ute fans have... putting all their argument about who is better based on a single game of the season.

If you do that, then you also have to say that Utah is better than Stanford, too. So do you actually believe that?
Texas is now ranked 27th in the latest AP poll. Yet BYU clobbered them.
No one in their right football mind considers Virginia even close to as good as BYU... even though they did win in that first game of the season against BYU's then new offensive scheme... before it became better honed.

Try harder to look at the bigger picture. You've already shown yourself capable of that by being more objective than most fans of either side. Let's continue to look at the entire season as a whole. The national polls will soon make those assessments.

BTW: There are not any national polls I can find that currently have Utah ranked better than BYU. None. In fact, the BCS poll currently has BYU ranked 18 places better than Utah.

fender
Washington, UT

Truth Machine

So you say. Re-read Tator's position on that issue.

Tators

Sorry pardner, you can't have it both ways, but nice try after painting yourself in a corner. And, yes, Sagarin's ratings were alive and well in '84.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Besmart
Thanks for the info, that's the first time I have seen a BCS poll beyond 25 teams. The only reason I reference the Saragin poll, is because that's the one that BYU fans always hang there hat on. Neither BYU or Utah have to worry about the National Championship, not even close. You have a good day too Guy!
@Taters

I'm lookin at the big picture. The Saragin rankings are based on the entire season. The difference between #24 & #26 is oh so slight. You make it sound as if there's a huge ranking difference. Is WSU better than Utah? Of course they are, they just beat Utah. I can admit that. Wait, the Saragin rankings say other wise. I don't buy that. I will look for your position after the season plays out: Utah beats Colorado, BYU beats Nevada, then loses to Washington. I wonder what your position will be then, if the Saragin rankings have Utah higher? Hopefully you won't reference another poll that fits your agenda; we shall see. When teams are ranked, basically the same, I would have to utilize head to head results as the tie breaker. IMO

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Tators

"against BYU's then new offensive scheme... before it became better honed."

LOL

Wisconsin and Notre Dame didn't think much of your honed go fast go hard offense.

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