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Published: Monday, Nov. 25 2013 10:30 p.m. MST

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cdchttrtn
meridian, idaho

BeSmart in Cheyenne. BYU can't fix the OC problem, because they don't an OC coach.

moderateinmagna
MAGNA, UT

mohokat
Ogden, UT And just how many pick 6,s did shultz throw on saturday i counted 2 as i recall Hill did not throw a pick 6 in the game ,so who can,t pass,I Rest my case.

Jake2010
bountiful, ut

Actually, to be fair to both Utah and Colorado, their game isn't for the conference most futile award this season... That was already won by California at 0-9 and 1-11 overall... They are only fighting the rumble in the Rockies for who is worst in the division... And Arizona will be playing for Stanford's hope of hosting the championship game, as in a loss ASU would finish tied with them in conference and lost that tiebreaker by 14 on the field September 21st...

Tators
Hyrum, UT

The "irony of the year" award goes to the ultra-Ute fans who spent most of the season bragging about their power conference affiliation, then watched as their team stumbled home with a grand total of 1 conference win. Amazing! Believe it or not, there are no other teams jealous of you. None.

Better to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond, than a minnow in a big pond... that continually gets eaten alive by the bigger fish.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

Guam_Bomb

BYU beat 6 bowl teams which each won at least 7 regular season games.

How many bowl teams did Utah beat?

BYU9293
Clinton, UT

Chris B's comments totally lack logic. If you beat a team during the season and they are ranked at that time, then you beat a ranked team, period. The logic is so flawed to say that only end of year rankings count, because any team you beat will drop in the rankings because you beat them. Thus, if Stanford loses to ND, loses the Pac 12 championship game and then loses their bowl, they finish out of the rankings and Utah did not beat a ranked team. NO, they beat Stanford when ranked in the top 5 and that is all that matters.
Again, part of the problem with this rivalry is that to most of the byu players, it has never been a rivalry unless you grew up in Utah. Because Utah was not challenging for WAC championships, when I played, Utah did not matter, so it was not a big deal, we were looking at other teams who were challenging for conference titles. The game has been much more important to Utah for the last 40 years or so.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda. The Rocky Mountain Mediocrity fever.

Both teams need to get an edge, play the whole game, put a dagger in it and ignore their own press until they can point at the scoreboard because that's what everyone everywhere else in the country remembers.

Too much feel good and not enough good wins to feel good about on their own.

Best of luck to Utah and BYU to close out with a win so their seasons don't stink too badly. It was a real let down to your fans and doesn't speak well for either head coach.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@cool cat cosmo.."At least BYU still has something to play for in the post-season, with a bowl game against a quality PAC-12 team (likely Washington, if you believe the sports pundits)."

What does the cougies have to play for? The kraft fight hunger nobody cares bowl? Washington a high quality PAC 12 team? Their in the same position the utes were the last couple years so I guess your saying Utah is a high quality PAC 12 team right?

If the schedules were flipped this year the utes would most likely be 9 - 2 right now. The cougies would be 1 - 10.

@utes home for the holiday's..."Stop it! You ute "fans" pay more attention to byu EVERY year.
Oh, Brunswick called, they are holding out hope ute fans/players will accept the bowling invitation they just extended."

Going off your screen name and comments you don't pay any attention to the utes do ya?...lol

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Phychiatrist,

And yet, Utah beat Stanford and Stanford is still ranked. How is that so since you seem to believe if byu were to beat someone they could no longer be ranked?

Nice spin there.

fender
Washington, UT

Tators

"Utah was better than USU and BYU on 2 particular days this season. That doesn't necessarily means they are overall better. The Sagarin rankings at the end of the season determine that. It takes account every measurable statistic there is... including strength of schedule and head to head competition. We'll know next week which team in the state had the best overall season, rather than trying to pin everything on just 2 games."

That's not an unreasonable position to take and hard to argue with, but before going to far down that road bear in mind that those same Sagarin rankings declared the Florida Gators the national champ in 1984.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

BYU9293,

No, it is your logic that is flawed. Yes, if you beat a team they will drop. But if they're good enough still and thought of as a top 25 team, they'll still be in the top 25.

Are you aware that not many teams in the top 25 are unbeaten?

Stanford is ranked. And yet, based on your logic that shouldn't be the case since Utah beat them right?

So you guys must think USC was the best team in the nation at the beginning of the year last year since they were ranked #1 huh?

Too funny

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

@ 2 BCS WINS
I cheer for the Utes but c'mon. You are comparing the Utes to Washington that is not even close.
Washington is 7-4 with losses on the road at Stanford, UCLA, and ASU.
They have gone to 4 straight bowl games under Sarkisian
They have 2 national titles, and 20 all americans.
Its great to be in the PAc for the Utes, but be realistic the Utes are not even close to Washington in football.
The Utes do have a better basketball history that Washington but Washington has been pretty good for 5 years or so.
@ Chris B.
I agree that psychiatrist's argument is a little weird. I think it will be interesting how Stanford finishes the season out. They still have 3 tough games and could lose all 3 or win all 3. If they win all 3 then Utah will have beaten an end of the year to 5 if they lose at least 2 out of the 3 they may finish barely in the top 20. It will be interesting.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

@BeSmart,

Thank you. And if Stanford goes on to lose 2 more games this season and drops to 20th or so, I will no longer claim that win as beating a top 10 team in the nation. I don't think I'm being unrealistic by saying that if a team is one of the best 25 teams in the nation, they'll be in the top 25 at the end of the season.

Byu has consistently been an ok team under Bronco, and certainly the string of bowl wins is impressive. I just don't think I'm wrong in saying that Bronco in his 8 years still hasn't proven he can beat good teams. Whittingham beat an end of season top 10 Alabama, end of season top 10 TCU, and we'll see where Stanford ends. Bronco has never done that, even once. Whittingham has also had several very bad losses, like you guys recently did with Virginia. I just think any team that wants to call themselves a great team needs to beat end of season top 25 teams, more than 1 in 4 years. Utah included.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Utah has played the toughest schedule in the country per the Saragin rankings. They are ranked #26, with only two teams in the top 50 with losing records (Florida #49). Too bad they couldn't pull off the Oregon St and/or ASU games. The Utes need to shore up the QB position. Eastern Washington has a better QB, and it's not even close. The schedule has been brutal; but the season is what it is: a dissapointment. A win against Colorado, and hopefully a better season next year. GO UTES!

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

@ Chris B.
I agree with you completely Utah has been able to win some really big games under Whittingham.
And Bronco has not he has had some good wins, but never the great win and it is disappointing.
I think Whittingham is a great coach and can get Utah to win more in the Pac-12 (I think they mainly lack depth at qb and wr).
BYU unless they get an offense that can actually score against good opponents then they will probably always lose to the great teams and a lot of good ones.
I personally think BYU's defense the last couple of years is as good as it will get there because of recruiting.
But BYU's offense since 2010 has been pathetic and has ruined what may have been some fun years.
Have a good day.

BYU9293
Clinton, UT

To Chris B,
Yes, for the first week of the season USC was ranked #1 last year, so they were number 1, period. If they lost after that, then they dropped. You are ranked what you are ranked when you play, period. Also, my logic never said that Utah was better than Stanford, they are not and were not, it was an upset. It only says that Stanford was the #5 team at that time and they were. The rankings are what they are. You cannot try to switch them to something else to fit your needs. They are rankings, opinions, that is it, they are not true. Every #1 team in the history of Division 1 football has always been maybe, they don't have a playoff and it does not matter if every person on the planet votes you #1, it does not make you the best team...ever. Understand what logic truly is before you try to spout it.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

fender

AP and Coaches National Championships trump Sagarin rankings every time.

Sagarin rankings are only relevant for ranking teams that aren't good enough to finish in the final AP and Coaches Top 25.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

byu9293.

Great teams prove they can beat great teams. It's significantly more impressive for a team to beat another team who is unranked(and ends up being ranked at the end of the season) than it is to beat the #1 team in the nation(at the time) only to see that team end unranked.

Not a single person in the football world thinks USC was the best team in the country, EVEN at the beginning of the year. Every expert agrees they were not the best team, not even close.

Anyone who thinks beating USC last year at the beginning of the season is better than beating Alabama(who wasn't ranked #1 at the time) doesn't understand football.

The best 25 teams in football each year end the season in the top 25. Its really quite simple.

And in 4 years byu only has 1 win against the best 25 teams in football. Some powerhouse program.

And your coach who talks national titles has NEVER beaten one of the best 10 teams in football. No other coach who has done so little talks so highly. Sorry, the truth hurts.

redfeather
Palo Alto, CA

Uteanymous

"Utah's 2014 Football Schedule
Idaho State - win
Fresno State - toss up
at Michigan - loss
Oregon State - toss up
at UCLA - loss
at Stanford - loss
Arizona - toss up
Southern Cal - loss
at Arizona State - loss
Oregon - loss
Washington State - toss up
at Colorado - toss up

1 win
6 losses
5 tossups"

It's hard for Utah fans to admit, but it's becoming more and more obvious that the Utes have bitten off more than they can chew.

Another losing, bowl-less season next year is more likely than not.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

redfeather, At least we wont be hearing about byu's amazingly tough schedule next year huh?

Total power conference programs byu plays in 2014:

Texas(good one)
Cal(12th of 12 in Pac 12)
Virginia(14th of 14 in ACC, only 1 division win this year - you guys)

LOL!

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