@jumpshot_3Westbrook was playing for Thunder in 2008...my
mistake...but it did prove my point...that it was the coaching change that
triggered their wins....once Carlesimo was changed..>Scott Brooks took
over...and began teaching his system...So if you still think that Corbin still
deserves the chance...after what? Three years...then you my friend is a generous
person...because to be honest...i dont really think he can coach...and there are
a few much more proven coaches out there that has a good system...and might
thrive with our players....
@ KakashiMy math is correct as is all the other stats I provided for
the players that I listed. I was giving the combined experience of the Thunder
players that played on the team then that are still on the team today as of the
2008 season when they were experiencing the same record as the Jazz (read my
post carefully). As for the Jazz, I was correct there too: Hayward and Favors:
3 full years (that's 6); Kanter 2 years (that's 8) and Burke 0. Also,
you are incorrect about Westbrook; he was playing for the Thunder in 2008. As for the intangibles, that's your opinion. I was just giving
stats, which are very close to the stats of the Thunder players when they were
as young as the Jazz players are now.
@jumpshot_3your math is off....Sefolosha - 7th yearDurant - 6th YearWestbrook - 5th yearIbaka - 5th yearJackson
- 2nd yearthats a combined 25 years if you averaged that to those 5
players its 5 yearsHayward - 3Kanter - 2Favors - 3Alec Burks - 2Trey Burke - in his first seasoncombined for
11 years...on average that's 2 something years....now here
comes the intangibles...Durant is a legit superstar coming into the NBA...in the
Jazz...we have players that could be solid role players...no legit stars....OKC have a good coach...with scott brooks became the thunder's
coach in 2008 in 69 games he had 22-47 standing meaning they started to get wins
when he was at helm PJ Carlesimo was the head coach at that time but was fired
after a 10 game losing streak..the next year...that wins jumped to 50 and
32...take note he already had durant on 2008 that's durant's 2nd
season...meaning...the team got wins not just because of talent...but because of
the coach....also they didnt have westbrook or Ibaka during their second
@VeraLouiseThat is just the point, "they are not playing their
heart out". They did the first 2-3 games and now they aren't. Their
effort is getting worse. Their defense is getting worse.They
don't box out, defend pick and rolls properly, and they continue to turn
the ball over with more bad passes than when they started the season. Basic
fundamentals that will get you an occasional win are not improving and they are
what you have to rely on when times get tough.If what you say about
Corbin is true that he is trying his best then we have learned he is incapable
of helping these young talented players improve at all. They are not superstars
but they also are not this bad.Last night many of the players were
hanging their heads. The nonverbal behavior indicates the players are about
done with their coaching..right or wrong it is a coaches job to effect positive
change with a team. Either you can or you can't. Something doesn't
turn soon and the answer will be that Corbin can't.Coaching is
How come the journalists don't question the coach? Can we at least have a
'no comment' from management about faith in Corbin as being the right
man to guide this young team and develop the talent?
The headline is so unfair. Of course they are outclassed. These are youngsters
playing against the NBA best. What does anybody expect in rebuilding? Please
stop kicking these guys when they are already down. How would you feel if you
were playing your heart out? They are not stupid or trying to lose. Coach Corbin
is also trying his best and is encouraging his players. Please, let's not
give up on them yet. They are learning on the fly for the most part.Go Jazzboys tonight! Stop Boozer!!!
@jumpshot_3 Thanks for the stats. Good information as a reference
point. I think the big difference is that clearly do not have a Durrant-type
talent. Where is the scorer that at least gets hot once in a while an goes off
for 30 plus? Hayward has been pushed into that role and his
shooting %'s continue to decline with volume...something that will come
back to haunt him next offseason come contract time. Haywards stats are going
to be a mess if something doesn't change. He is a decent 2nd or 3rd option
player. He is not "the" guy and does not have "it"..
Oklahoma City is a legitimate title contender. But, they didn't get there
overnight. In fact, they started down a road remarkably similar to the one the
Jazz are on now. In the 2008-09 season, the thunder had a young core consisting
of Durrant, Westbrook, Sefolosha, and Collison (combined experience of 7 years).
Our young core of Hayward, Favors, Kanter, and Burke has combined experience of
8 years. OK City started the 2008-09 season with a record of 1-16; and then
2-24. They ended the season with 23 wins; so they showed considerable
improvement throughout the year. Their combined stats (for the core) was 57.3
pts, 23.5 rbs, 11.0 ast, and 126.5 minutes played. By comparison so far, the
Jazz core has 50.6 pts, 25.3 rbs, 10.1 ast, and 119 minutes. I expect those
stats to improve considerably as we go through the year.Bottom line:
patience. I agree with a coaching change if things don't improve soon. But
Corbin deserves more of a chance. And, the Jazz could very well be title
contenders in 5 years.
"Are the Millers afraid Obama will label them as Racists if the Jazz hire a
White coach?"Hmm. "Racists" and "White" are now
proper nouns. That kind of grammatical tic seems telling, doesn't it?It takes true talent and resolve to turn an simple article about a
horrible basketball team into political fodder.
What a joke
Maybe the young players they were counting on are not so good as they thought.
Doesn't look like they are that good or will become that much better.
Everyone knew this was going to be ugly. We also knew Corbin and his pathetic
coaching staff were also bad...we just didn't know that he could remove any
and all signs of talent from a starting lineup of talented lottery picks! I will acknowledge that there really is no superstar but there is enough
talent there to at least be in some games and be competitive. There is enough
talent to be able to demonstrate progress...and yet Corbin can't.This team has quit on Corbin already. You can see it in their body
language.The only decision to be made now is just the timing of when
you bring in a new coach but still maintain your bottom feeder status to ensure
a top 3-4 pick in the draft. Draft a Superstar or we will be the Bobcats. No
point in letting a pile of losses go to waste.The horrific shooting
just continues game after game. These guys are tight, pressing, overthinking,
and are absent basic fundamentals.The losing margins are getting
worse not better. Statistics are getting worse not better.Translation? Coaching, coaching, coaching.
It's past time for a coaching change. We let Hornechek go to Phoenix and
keep bench player Corbin and his staff of Nobodies. Are the Millers afraid Obama
will label them as Racists if the Jazz hire a White coach? Go figure.
Sometimes it is nice for everyone to have a bad game at the same time.
Let's hope the biggest thing they learn is to hate losing..
Please get rid of Corbin!!! It's one thing to lose a lot of games,
it's another to just plain be embarrassed each and every game. I
wouldn't mind losing if the Jazz actually played basketball for 48 mins
Worst team ever.
This team has quit except for a few players like Diante, Evans, Gobert who still
need to prove themselves and therefore hustle whenever given the minutes.
Tinkering with lineups wont help. The only solution is to shake up the coaching
staff so that someone else can at least get these guys to play with energy and
learn a few things along the way for next year! I just cannot believe Jazz
management is unable reach this conclusion by now. This team is young, dynamic
and talented. The problem is all in coaching. They are certainly not as bad as
1-14. I feel last 2 years the jazz did fairly well only because of an assistant
coach who has since left and getting another team of no-names to play 500 ball.
The earlier the better, please!
Great job Corbin. You really have this team rolling.