Published: Sunday, Nov. 24 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
"Whatever else everyone should be able to choose, without penalty, to opt
out of health insurance."I would agree with this... on the
condition that these same people as accept the responsibility of all charges,
and will never expect either the public or the health care delivery system to
absorb the cost of them not having insurance. Their choice to not
pay should not come at the expense of someone else. Which it does now - today.
And a child should never be denied medical care because they have irresponsible
parents. If you can figure that out - and preserve the opt out
option - you have my vote.
UtahBlueDevilDurham, NCIf you can figure that out - and
preserve the opt out option - you have my vote.11:28 a.m. Nov. 25,
2013---------I was thinking a living will corresponding
with a permanent tatoo.That way, emergency personal, doctors,
lawyers, etc. can all save us time and money knowing who opted -- and they can
leave them up to their own demise.Just they way they wanted it.
Healthcare in Europe is much better than in the US and much less expensive.
To "Ernest T. Bass" actually it isn't. Their cancer survival rates
are lower, and they have limited the types of procedures available. Not to
mention all of the strikes that occur because of lack of funding for doctors.
Gildas, I agree that health care costs are stupidly high, especially compared to
the rest of the world. That knee replacement surgery would have cost around 13
to 18K in England or Sweden. It so happens knee replacements are one of the
surgeries routinely compared. However do you really want American doctors to
bring their cost for knee replacement surgery down to 18K by simple market
competition? I think it's clear we have too much third party
involvement in health care but I would suggest the third party that needs to go
is private insurance along with employer involvement. England
looked at a battered and injured population at the end of WWll and said theirs
no way a private insurance market can meet the needs of our citizens and then
correctly opted for the system they have. We now look out over a
battered and injured population after 70 years of private insurance and say, hey
just let the markets do more of what they've all ready done, it will get
better. Of course it will?
Redshirt, actually it is.NPR interviewed a man who needed a hip
replacement. For some strange reason his American health insurer wouldn't
cover it (surprise, surprise).He flew to the Netherlands where he had it
done for a total cost of $16,000 which included follow up care and airfare.In the US, the hardware alone cost more than $16,000. Imagine a
healthcare system not based on greed.
To "Ernest T. Bass" how about this. Lets look at what you get in a few
European countries for care:From the Canadian NIH and their study
"Cumulative incidence for wait-list death in relation to length of queue for
coronary-artery bypass grafting: a cohort study" we learn that people die
because they are waiting for surgery or the surgery occurs too late.From the UK Telegraph "Lung cancer victims denied lifesaving scans".
Isn't it nice to have the government condemn you to death just because you
get lung cancer?From France we read in IBD's article "Vive
Le French Care?" that it costs French citizens 1550 Euros/month
($2100/month) for health insurance. They pay more for their insurance than we
do in the US by a factor of 3.From Germany we read "Germany cuts
health care spending, raises premiums" in the Washington Times. Isn't
it nice that they cut care and raise prices. All for 15.5% of your Gross
pay.From Reuters we read "Greek health system crumbles under
weight of crisis". Isn't it nice when you tie healthcare to government
that when there is a problem with the government, everybody suffers.
@RedshirtI personally know someone in the US who has to use medicine
intended for horses because they are unable to get insurance. A forum I go on
has a sub forum dedicated to Americans talking amongst themselves on how to get
cheap medicine, some of them requesting advice on how to do dentistry on
themselves. Some of them show their medical bills after they have been to
hospital, I have seen mostly 5 figure and some 6 figure sums for things that
would be treated as routine in my country. America is universally recognised as
having the worst healthcare system in the first world. You lead in survivability
in some types of cancers in some of the age brackets (over 65's) but thats
about it. How many countries have you lived in Redshirt?You produce
a list like this everytime, here is the difference, things like that make
national headlines in those countries. A child dying from a jaw infection due to
lack of care is common news in the US. People losing their homes because of
medical bills is not reportedAlso if you think every French citizen
is paying 1550 euros a month you have no idea.
To "UT Brit" I know of people in Germany that are exicted about getting
a new medical procedure. It is a procedure that has been available here for
over 20 years.I don't think that every Frenc citizen is paying
1550 euros a month. Some are spending a lot more because they are taxed as a
percentage of their income, not a flat rate.If you don't like
my list, please give me a list that shows a systemic problem in the US.
Don't just find articles about isolated incidences, find something that
shows that there is a problem with medical care throughout the US.
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