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Published: Sunday, Nov. 24 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Whatever else everyone should be able to choose, without penalty, to opt out of health insurance."

I would agree with this... on the condition that these same people as accept the responsibility of all charges, and will never expect either the public or the health care delivery system to absorb the cost of them not having insurance.

Their choice to not pay should not come at the expense of someone else. Which it does now - today. And a child should never be denied medical care because they have irresponsible parents.

If you can figure that out - and preserve the opt out option - you have my vote.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

If you can figure that out - and preserve the opt out option - you have my vote.

11:28 a.m. Nov. 25, 2013

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I was thinking a living will corresponding with a permanent tatoo.

That way, emergency personal, doctors, lawyers, etc. can all save us time and money knowing who opted -- and they can leave them up to their own demise.

Just they way they wanted it.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Healthcare in Europe is much better than in the US and much less expensive.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Ernest T. Bass" actually it isn't. Their cancer survival rates are lower, and they have limited the types of procedures available. Not to mention all of the strikes that occur because of lack of funding for doctors.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Gildas, I agree that health care costs are stupidly high, especially compared to the rest of the world. That knee replacement surgery would have cost around 13 to 18K in England or Sweden. It so happens knee replacements are one of the surgeries routinely compared. However do you really want American doctors to bring their cost for knee replacement surgery down to 18K by simple market competition?

I think it's clear we have too much third party involvement in health care but I would suggest the third party that needs to go is private insurance along with employer involvement.

England looked at a battered and injured population at the end of WWll and said theirs no way a private insurance market can meet the needs of our citizens and then correctly opted for the system they have.

We now look out over a battered and injured population after 70 years of private insurance and say, hey just let the markets do more of what they've all ready done, it will get better.

Of course it will?

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Redshirt, actually it is.
NPR interviewed a man who needed a hip replacement. For some strange reason his American health insurer wouldn't cover it (surprise, surprise).
He flew to the Netherlands where he had it done for a total cost of $16,000 which included follow up care and airfare.
In the US, the hardware alone cost more than $16,000.
Imagine a healthcare system not based on greed.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Ernest T. Bass" how about this. Lets look at what you get in a few European countries for care:

From the Canadian NIH and their study "Cumulative incidence for wait-list death in relation to length of queue for coronary-artery bypass grafting: a cohort study" we learn that people die because they are waiting for surgery or the surgery occurs too late.

From the UK Telegraph "Lung cancer victims denied lifesaving scans". Isn't it nice to have the government condemn you to death just because you get lung cancer?

From France we read in IBD's article "Vive Le French Care?" that it costs French citizens 1550 Euros/month ($2100/month) for health insurance. They pay more for their insurance than we do in the US by a factor of 3.

From Germany we read "Germany cuts health care spending, raises premiums" in the Washington Times. Isn't it nice that they cut care and raise prices. All for 15.5% of your Gross pay.

From Reuters we read "Greek health system crumbles under weight of crisis". Isn't it nice when you tie healthcare to government that when there is a problem with the government, everybody suffers.

UT Brit
London, England

@Redshirt

I personally know someone in the US who has to use medicine intended for horses because they are unable to get insurance. A forum I go on has a sub forum dedicated to Americans talking amongst themselves on how to get cheap medicine, some of them requesting advice on how to do dentistry on themselves. Some of them show their medical bills after they have been to hospital, I have seen mostly 5 figure and some 6 figure sums for things that would be treated as routine in my country. America is universally recognised as having the worst healthcare system in the first world. You lead in survivability in some types of cancers in some of the age brackets (over 65's) but thats about it. How many countries have you lived in Redshirt?

You produce a list like this everytime, here is the difference, things like that make national headlines in those countries. A child dying from a jaw infection due to lack of care is common news in the US. People losing their homes because of medical bills is not reported

Also if you think every French citizen is paying 1550 euros a month you have no idea.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "UT Brit" I know of people in Germany that are exicted about getting a new medical procedure. It is a procedure that has been available here for over 20 years.

I don't think that every Frenc citizen is paying 1550 euros a month. Some are spending a lot more because they are taxed as a percentage of their income, not a flat rate.

If you don't like my list, please give me a list that shows a systemic problem in the US. Don't just find articles about isolated incidences, find something that shows that there is a problem with medical care throughout the US.

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