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Published: Saturday, Nov. 23 2013 10:00 p.m. MST

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Don't want an abortion?

Don't have one.

Your beliefs stop at your person.

Not someone else's body.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Religious freedom has to start with all freedoms. That is, individuals first. And individuals, whether singularly or in groups, should be empowered to decide for themselves. But only for themselves.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Pagan; If you want birth control pills, pay for them yourself! Your beliefs stop at your person, not forcing any one else to accommodate your body!

Oatmeal
Woods Cross, UT

Pagan and Hutterite:

Nice comments. But the AHA is asking business owners to pay for another's decision.

And if SCOTUS has ruled that corporations and institutions have free speech rights, why shouldn't corporations also have religious/conscience protections as well?

New Yorker
Pleasant Grove, UT

What an interesting conundrum. First the Supreme Court decides that corporations have all the political right of people (campaign contribution issue). If that's the now why would they have to even take this up. If individuals have political and religious freedom, obviously corporations would also have them by the Court's own perverted logic.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@New Yorker

Our freedoms and rights a extends to however we as people organize ourselves.

All freedom and rights exist with the people. The constitution guarantees those rights and freedoms it does NOT give them.

Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly freedom of privacy, etc. means nothing if it does not extend beyond the individual to however we may organize ourselves.

We as the people and however we organize ourselves possess all rights and freedoms not explicitly given to the government.

Nothing perverted about that.

ConservativeCommonTater
West Valley City, UT

my counterpoint is that I will never get pregnant.

Why should I have to subsidize women that get pregnant? Insurance is a pool of coverages, and of people. You cannot exclude the features that you don't like.

If I could exclude features that I don't like (in government) I would exclude funding for wars. I don't get that benefit. Taxes, like insurance, is a pool of resources.

Ranch
Here, UT

Businesses are not living, breathing entities. They are not people. They do not have any freedom except that which governments grant them. Businesses do not have religious freedom; nor should they; ever!

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Nice comments. But the AHA is asking business owners to pay for another's decision. '

And I paid for the $4 trillion dollars of the Iraq war…

and, men to be covered by Viagra.

If you use religious arguments against something…

why do you ignore the fact that some are not, part of that religion?

Pursuit_of_Knowledge
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

This is a slippery slope.

What if the business is owned by Jehovah's Witnesses? Can the business owner only provide medical insurance that does not pay for blood transfusions?

What if the business is owned by certain Christian sects that believe only in faith healing, not medicine? Should that business be allowed to avoid providing health care?

The list goes on-and-on as many religions have differing beliefs in what is allowed by God and what is prohibited.

JP
Chandler, AZ

@Pursuit_of_Knowledge "What if the business is owned by certain Christian sects that believe only in faith healing, not medicine? Should that business be allowed to avoid providing health care?"

Yes, they should. And people looking for work can then decide for themselves whether or not they want to work for that company. That's the great thing about freedom.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Personally as a middle aged male, and my wife, a female of similar age group, I don't need insurance for pregnancy. I'm pretty darn sure that she's not going to get preggers. Frankly, we don't need that added to our insurance. Someone ought to sue about that since Obama Care mandates make me carry maternity coverage as part of my insurance.

J in AZ
San Tan Valley, AZ

Businesses that have stock for sale on the stock exchanges, i.e. publicly traded firms are treated differently in tax and regulatory law than companies like Hobby Lobby which is wholly owned by a single family. Treating them differently in this issue would be logically consistent with those other treatments.

Pursuit_of_Knowledge
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@JP
Let's take this a bit further. What if a business owner's religion believes being gay is a sin and does not want to hire gays? What if the owner's religion believes that being black is a mark of Cain and does not want to hire blacks?

Where does a business owner's religious freedom stop? When it impinges upon another's freedom.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Pagan: Can I see the $4 trillion check you wrote for the Iraq War?

This is a simple issue that is being made complicated by the haters of religion. No one is forced to work at Hobby Lobby. If you want insurance that covers birth control, work somewhere else or pay for it yourself. It is a product, not a right. If no one applies for work at Hobby Lobby because of their employment practices, then they will have to adjust them or not have employees. Somehow I think that Hobby Lobby will do just fine.

This is called freedom of choice.

Unformtunately, our society now operates on a hypocritical form of equality, based on what the far left agrees with.

1978
Salt Lake City, UT

"And I paid for the $4 trillion dollars of the Iraq war."

I am geniunely impressed I thought Bill Gates was the richest man in America.

David
Centerville, UT

If someone wants birth control as part of their insurance, let them add a rider policy at their own expense. Business should not be forced to provide that coverage.

Additionally, I agree that Viagra should not be required for any insurance policy. If someone wants Viagra, let them pay for it. Don't force me or anyone else to pay for your Viagra or birth control.

But just because Viagra is covered, at this point, should not mean that I have to pay for someone else's birth control or pregnancy coverage. Instead, lets drop the Viagra from coverage.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

The federal government coerces pacifist Quakers to engage in warfare against their consciences. While they are allowed to opt out of direct military service, they are not allowed to opt out of paying taxes (or that portion of total taxes) that goes to support the military. The federal government coerces observant kosher Jews and halal Muslims to subsidize unclean consumption against their consciences. They are not compelled to eat swine or shellfish, but they are not allowed to opt out of paying taxes (or that portion of total taxes) that goes to subsidize swine production, fisheries management, etc. Money is fungible, it is said, and the taxes paid go into a pool so that no one individual's contribution can be said to pay for any particular expenditure and therefore no religious conflict exists.

Hobby Lobby and its employees pay insurance premiums into a pool along with thousands of others. Neither Hobby Lobby nor its employees is compelled to buy or use contraceptives, only to carry a policy that includes contraceptive coverage. Their premiums are fungible. They are no more buying contraceptives (or abortifacients, which seems to be the real issue) than a Quaker is buying a Tomahawk missile.

the truth
Holladay, UT

The first amendment (among other amendments) does not require living or breathing.

In fact it only say what congress can NOT do. It can not abridge speech or religious practice.

It does not say what an individual can do.

it does not say what the people can do.

It does not say what a business can do.

Because ALL rights exist already with the people and however they organize or assemble themselves.

Bob K
porland, OR

This is about FAIRNESS, not the special rights that some religious people claim part of "freedom of religion"
--- low income women, such as those working retail, generally must take any job that will hire them, particularly when they have children and need to work close to daycare, or no car to get to a different job.
--- the US Constitution and many laws say that all those women need to be treated the same.
--- the hypocrisy of the commenters is illustrated by their acceptance of freely prescribed Viagra, or, worse "the don't get pregnant" or "it's your problem"

You want to intrude into the life of families and damage the public interest, while ignoring that religion must not be brought into the workplace.

Moreover, it is conservative to prevent unwanted kids from burdening the taxpayers.

Pursuit_of_Knowledge
SALT LAKE CITY, UT
@JP
Let's take this a bit further. What if a business owner's religion believes being gay is a sin and does not want to hire gays?
--- In most States, that unfairness is legal. Congress needs to pass ENDA.

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