"You should be careful throwing around such claims. The original claim was
based on a small scale study in a single county in Washington, in which 86% of
the cases were suicides. Furthermore, the authors admitted to omitting all the,
"cases in which burglars or intruders are wounded or frightened away by the
use or display of a firearm." "Well, that's not really
true, Shane. I assume you are referring to the Kellerman study. A small scale
study? I don't know if you can call six years of stats of Seattle gun
violence a small scale study. That was the first. Kellerman helmed more studies
of gun violence and other studies have backed his claims.
This is very tragic. But it is time for the police and media to provide
explanations. Adult in house, other juveniles, guns stolen, from where and
when, background and past offenses of kids, schools and classes, truancy, etc?
Ttransparency is needed to avoid more tragedies like this.
Ya well if the guns had been secured they would have been so easy to steal huh?
Gun lovers that buy so many guns and leave them unsecured for teens
with yet to be fully formed brains to "steal" is the second problem.The first problem is that people confuse a gun with defense in the first
place. Locks, strong doors, and an alarm keep armed gunmen out of your home in
the first place. If an armed gunman gets into your home and has the
chance to threaten your family, YOU have already failed to protect your family
and should be ashamed not proud. For every story I see where a gun
is used to shoot someone IN YOUR own home, I think of what a miserable failure
the security was in the first place. Gun nuts are driven to fail so they have a
chance to prove the last resort really works. It's like you want it to
I knew it. The guns were stolen. So all you people who cried on the initial
story about having to pass laws requiring safe storage "FOR THE
CHIIIIILLDREEEN" can calm down now. Turns out these "innocent
children" stole them and had malicious plans for them.
@FTYou should be careful throwing around such claims. The original claim
was based on a small scale study in a single county in Washington, in which 86%
of the cases were suicides. Furthermore, the authors admitted to omitting all
the, "cases in which burglars or intruders are wounded or frightened away by
the use or display of a firearm."When one considers that
firearms are defensively used approx. 2 million times a year, and in most cases
the mere appearance of the firearm is enough to deter burglars or other
criminals, firearms save far more innocent lives than they endanger.Furthermore, this particular sad case involves STOLEN firearms, and the only
person reported at this time to possess or use any of them was the one who
killed his friend and then himself. So trotting out poor claims against lawful
gun ownership is really in bad taste here.
I am uncomfortable with a couple of things. One, the non-answers to basic
questions make rumors fly around like bees in a hive. When will a more complete
report be made public? I understand the need for privacy for the families
involved but the evasive responses just make me wonder what happened, and
why?Second, I am uncomfortable that anti-second amendment harpies
seek to compound a tragedy with their personal political opinion(s). There is
so much attention focused on a small number of accidents (unintended injuries)
from fire arm misuse. We tend to include those tragic events in the same class
as firearm violence which is the intended injury or death of another person from
a firearm (Gang violence or defense of home or life). Both totals are dwarfed
by alcohol related traffic events which kill and injure tens of thousands
annually. Yet we wink and ignore substance abuse and driving as though there is
a right to drive impaired, which there is none.This is a sad
happening, So sad.
@FT: Driving a car is a privilege.(Where are all the activists against the auto
makers and sellers when someone gets killed either accidentally or intentionally
with a car?) Having the means to protect oneself and family against harm from
intruders or a tyrannical government is not a privilege, it is a right. The
founding fathers enumerated the basic rights that are guaranteed (not granted)
by the Constitution in the first amendment and in the second amendment named the
means whereby those rights were to be enforced by the citizenry. If you do not
want to have that right, that's fine. Just do not proscribe my right with
your lies, distortions and half-truths. This is a TRAGIC situation, do not
compound it by jumping on the anti self-protection band wagon.
Apparently Sneaky Jimmy, the investigation led to the finding of
Murder-Suicide.This incredible young man "a lover and a peace
keeper," according to his mother, had a history of problems.This
whole situation is terrible and I am deeply saddened by it.
As tragic of a situation as this is I have to wonder why, if the other boys were
not arrested or booked why were their Constitutional rights violated and their
DNA, fingerprints and photos taken? When did the police start to think they can
just take this evidence from people without due process and warrants? So can a
police officer take this stuff from us when they pull us over for speeding?
This is very sad. Sad that life is that tough for two young men. It may have
been accident/suicide unless the police have definitive evidence.
Extremely sad situation. I had a hunch when the police didn't previously
indicate a search for suspects.I am curious as to the three stolen
firearms discovered in the home. Were any of the firearms found to be in the
homeowner's possession? How many were brought to the home by the teen who
shot his friend and then himself? Or did the teen acquire the firearms at the
home? Who were the firearms stolen from and how?Still prayers of
comfort to the families of those who died.
So this is an absolute tragedy for the families and the community and my heart
goes out to them for their losses. Gun ownership in America is a constitional
right but people need to understand the terrible risks that go with that
privalege. It's a fact that a person is 25 times more likely to have a gun
in their home be used against them or a family member than an intruder. So,
unless you're a hunter that keeps his firearms securely stored your family
is much safer without a gun in the home. Don't fall prey to all the
propoganda and fear being peddled by the NRA and gun lobbies.