Obama has been preaching this for over six years.Why an attitude
change now?@Pagan--Why should tax dollars go to either. Tax dollars
are money forcefully taken from the people.Your figures of four
trillion dollars, and 500,000 lives, is highly exaggerated.
@vern001Nothing has improved, you just replaced an insurance company
with a government bureaucrat, who will make the exact same decisions and be
colder (death panels, as written into law as part of a subsequent stimulus
bill), and worse you will have no where else to turn.
Drone strikes began in Pakistan… 2001.
Re TekakaromatageAre you taking into account all of the grandmothers
lives who are saved with each terrorist that is killed?
Yikes!The paranoia of it all.Right wing legislators, media,
Republicans, and, "famous" radio hosts will do and say anything and
everything to stop the ACA.Not having the funding that Mitt Romney has
for betting large amounts of $ on issues..... Everyone knows if a
Republican President had initiated the ACA, all the problems would simply be
"just little glitches to be worked through, Not to worry".Wanna
Re TekakaromatagiAssuming this grandmother was an innocent person it
is unfortunate that she died but you neglected to mention the terrorists that
were killed in the strike, the people they had killed in the past and all the
people they were destined to kill in the future. Probably a net of 50+
people's lives were saved as a result of this drone strike.
The prime example of government health care is the VA hospital system. Those who
are familiar with the VA usually go there only for routine check ups or as a
last resort. It is single payer, but it is not efficient. The unintended
consequences and bungled roll out of Obamacare are carrying on the tradition of
government medicine; decisions are made by civil service bureaucrats far away in
Washington, waste and inefficiencies abound, things go wrong and seldom is
anyone held responsible.
@cjb:"Those drones are killing terrorists not grandmothers. " I
signed a petition last week from Amnesty International. An eight year old girl
in Pakistan witnessed her grandmother get hit by two rockets fired by a drone
while the grandmother was weeding the vegetable garden.
I would rather my tax dollars go to helping Americans have healthcare… than $4 trillion dollars spent in Iraq. That cost 500,000 lives. Priorities people.
@Hutterite re:"This does not by any means mean that government is involved
in the doctor/patient relationship; I know this to be fact and it's just a
scare tactic."This is not a scare tactic. The government now
knows everything you tell your doctor. It is in the rules that we have been
forced to follow since electronic medical records have been "encouraged"
by the government. I know it is not a scare tactic, because I am a physician.
I am in a large group practice. We have electronic medical records. The
information IS available to the government. Please. Be informed
before you start ranting about your liberal beliefs.
If Obmacare has taught us anything it had proven that the government is
incapable of running healthcare! Too complicated, too much bureaucracy, too
inefficient, too much opportunity for fraud and abuse, too much unfairness and
most of all, far too expensive. Medicare and Medicaid are other examples of
government malfeasance; financially broken, billion of waste and fraud, and more
and more doctors refuse to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients.
Re TekakaromatagiThose drones are killing terrorists not
grandmothers. These drones do however save the lives of grandmother's who
otherwise would have been killed by the terrorists.
I voted for president Obama twice and favor government helping to ensure that
all people get decent health care.Nevertheless I think it fortunate
that the brakes have been put on President Obamas's popularity. This is
fortunate because of what he tried to do to American Gun rights and what he
might have still done had his political fortunes not been reversed.
Regardless of who pays for health care we should work to drive the costs down,
not with government force, but will common sense free market reforms.There would be no demand for government involvement in health care if there
were no problem. It is almost like some politicians have gone out of their way
to make our system not work so they would have an excuse to force socialized
medicine down our throats.First they create the problem, then refuse
any fix except the one that gives them ultimate power.Can't buy
across state linesCan't buy a policy without a whole bunch of junk
you don't want or need.Can't charge people more for behavior
related health care (can't charge a smoker more in many states).Can't do anything about people who abuse emergency rooms.Can't
do anything about malpractice gone wild.Forcing a 70 year old couple to
buy maternity coverage.Just let people buy what they want at a
reasonable price.The people are voting against this disaster with
Meckofahess, "The cost of healthcare in the country is > that 15% of the
GDP, yet we have > 40 million uninsured Americans"This issue will
never be solved until people like you stop spouting half truths and liberal
spin! Facts are what is needed. Here's one; 40 million is a
misleading figure. In general terms, many of the uninsured are young and/or
healthy and don't want or need coverage. Hence the penalties in Obamacare
for not having insurance because it needs their premiums to subsidize the
older/unhealthy who drive most of the costs. Its the whole basis of single
payer. So stop spouting off the fairy tale talking points!
I am all for a single payer system. But the Devil is in the details. Who will
that single payer be? The government? No, they can't pay their bills
without borrowing heavily. I asked my grandson if he would be the single payer,
he said a bunch of baby talk which I think meant, "Yeah tell them that can
count on me to pay if they get sick." But he could have meant, "Sorry,
I am paying for all the well politically powerful well to-do seniors who
collected from social security so they could live the 'Modern
Maturity' lifestyle."It seems with drones shooting
Pakistani grandmothers and morning after pills for 15 year olds that our
technology has outpaced our humanity and wisdom. It also seems that our medical
technology has outpaced our finances.Rather than having a discussion
about private or public, we may have to have a discussions about when we are in
our 70's if we are going to accept our eventual mortality rather than
fighting it tooth and nail and sending the bill to our grandchildren.
We already see what government involvement in healthcare brings.Higher prices, less availability, lower pay to providers, fewer providers
willing to be made slaves of government--at slave wages, massive paperwork
empires festering with bureaucratic incompetence. In the zeal to
fix the problem of 30 million "uninsured" Americans, we now have many
times that number being forced off their old insurance, millions more refusing
to buy something they believe they do not want or need, and the prices for
everyone rising dramatically.If you thought healthcare was expensive
before, wait until it is "free" but not actually available.Obamacare- it's enough to make anyone sick!
Look, we all need single payer. It's the only solution--when government
runs health care completely, we shall achieve health care utopia! Especially
since in a single payer world, it will be illegal for a doctor to treat you if
you pay him in cash! Think of it, the wonders of it all! Everyone taking their
turn, no one "better' than the rest, every medical procedure done as
resources allow! Need a kidney? No need to worry, you can wait your turn!
Emergency medical care required? When the doctor gets back from his vacation,
he can sew up that wound. Why, just look at Great Britain's
dental care--if only American Health Care could be like that! Sure, we'll
have to implement a massive tax like we already do with medicare and social
security, but think of the benefits, comrades! health care will be FREEEEEEE!
Just remember, vote democrat to make sure you too can experience medical care
that is second-rate and grossly inefficient! And the bonus feature of access to
care depending on whether you donated the right amount to the Democratic
party--the new corruption will be grand, comrades! Viva La Democrats!
By all means, let's return to the good old days when children with
disabilities could be denied care and cancer patients saw their premiums
skyrocket. When if you had a serious illness you lived in fear you'd hit
the cap and be left without care. When 31 million Americans were uninsured.
When a medical emergency could leave you bankrupt and homeless.We
certainly wouldn't want the government to get involved and try to help
people get affordable care. It's so much better to let the insurance
companies self-regulate, because they've shown us how charitable and caring
"The leading complaint is a philosophical objection — government
interference or forcing people to get healthcare — mentioned by 37 percent
of those who disapprove. Twenty-one percent believe the law will increase costs
and make health care less affordable, Gallup reported." Conservatives had been warning the American public about this since the
passage of this Obamacare fraud. Hey dems who is telling the truth now? Does
"if you like your healthcare, you can keep it, period!" ring a bell?
You can not have the federal government involved in healthcare in any way, shape
or form, and not be involved in the patient/doctor relationship.The
whether single-payer or any other way, the government will be involved in your
health care, if you involve the federal government.The extreme left
is kidding themselves if they think it will be any other way.Keep
the federal government out and find other solutions. That is the only
answer to preserving the patient/doctor relationship.
This administration should keep its incompetent fingers out of the economy. The
Dear Leader has absolutely no background in economics, especially health care.
He has surrounded himself with incompetent advisors who give asinine advice.
What can you possibly expect from this train wreck?
Yeah let's keep the government out of healthcare. The private sector has
been doing a great job for the American people! A few accomplishments:-
The cost of healthcare in the country is > that 15% of the GDP, yet we have
> 40 million uninsured Americans- The cost of healthcare enormous.
Unaffordable for most people. - The quality of care in the American
Healthcare system is poor. There are over 90,000 errors in hospitals every year
that are injurious to the patients. Life expectancy is lower in America than
many other industrialized nations - despite our highly expensive system.-
Most middle class people in America cannot afford to get sick. Even with
insurance, the deductibles are so high that it consumes much of their disposable
income- Before Obamacare, if you had a pre-existing condition you could
not qualify for most affordable healthcare plans- Now there is this new
thing called "concierge care" offered by some Doctors. For additional
fees, these Doctors will prioritize your care over that of regular insured
patients. In other words the Doctors that offer this cater to the rich over the
poor.Thank you private sector for this great healthcare system we
Even if 90% of citizens thought the government should get out of healthcare, I
doubt it would make a difference in the collision course the administration is
on. As the president said, "I'm sorry." So what?
Without dragging abortion into it (why?) I agree that what medical procedures
are done are a private matter between a patient and doctor. However, I also know
that, if we want better health outcomes for everyone at a lower cost we need to
have a single payer system in place. This does not by any means mean that
government is involved in the doctor/patient relationship; I know this to be
fact and it's just a scare tactic.
Unfortunately hindsight is 20/20. Had the election results been reflective of
the current opinions we wouldn't be stuck with a law the majority of us
disapprove of. If only democrats would be willing to fix this thing with
republican support, and if only republicans would not insist on a full repeal
before sitting at the table. Thanks to the stubborn refusal by the President and
both sides of Congress to display even a hint of statesmanship we are at a point
where nothing new can get done and nothing flawed can get fixed. This is insane!
Well think about it. This shouldn't be any surprise. For decades now
liberal pro abortion folks have been telling us that government should stay out
of our bedrooms. Then they say that what medical procedures are done is a
private matter between a patient and doctor. So now the rest of America is
basically saying the same thing to government. Stay out of our private medical
issues. Ironic that the side that probably most supports Obamacare is that same
liberal pro choice side. Isn't it.