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Published: Friday, Nov. 22 2013 11:09 p.m. MST

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Apocalypse please
Bluffdale, UT

I find these kinds of anecdotes pretty fascinating, and kudos to the young lady for getting to a better place mentally/spiritually. The interesting thing to me is that people all over the world are having these kind of experience under different contexts. Profound, personal, spiritual experiences are causing people everywhere to declare "I am a Mormon or Jehovas Witness or Catholic" etc. The psychology behind us whole religious experience is very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

J.D.
Aurora, CO

@Apocalypse please

I thought the same thing as I read this. What's interesting is the unusally large number of former Mormons who are saying they are in a much better mental and spiritual place outside of the faith than they were within it. I guess that tells us to find that place of peace wherever it is, but don't expect it to be exclusive to any one group.

Sasha Pachev
Provo, UT

I am a member of the LDS church, a convert since 1992, joined at the age of 19. I consider my experience as something much more than psychology. Rather it is a process of solid refinement, character building, and developing a solid vision of life guided by God through His church. Something that can never be understood by an unbeliever. I know because at one point I was an unbeliever myself having grown up the Soviet Union. Because of my daily experiences over the last 21 years I know that no man on earth could have written the Book of Mormon. These experiences are of a profound nature for anybody who develops a testimony, they are sacred. You cannot study them with mere curiosity, that does not do them justice.

J.D.
Aurora, CO

@Sasha Pachev,

I think you missed the point "Apocalypse please" was making. WIth the satement you just made about our faith a Jehovah's Witness would make the same claim about their religion. When you say the Book of Mormon could not have been written by men, Islam claims the same thing about their holy book the Quran. I am happy you found peace in this faith, but our religion is not any more exclusive (or special) than any other. The fact that DN is moving toward promoting the Christian collective over the LDS singular is a testament to their changing to this view as well. Have you ever seen more evangelicals talked about (in a positive way) in the faith section of DN than you have in the last year?

Physics27
Cedar City, UT

J.D .
I think you are missing the point. It is amazing how our "learning" can affect our faith. We start to listen to the voices around us rather that the one within us. It is important that we learn and make ourselves aware of the world Around us but it is also important that we do not forget the voice within us.

The5thHorseman
Tucker, GA

J.D. your comment raises an interesting point. The Mormon church clearly is trying to build bridges with other faiths. In doing this they appear to tacitly admit that those churches are also inspired by (what mormons consider) the truth.
And yet Sasha Pachev's testimony of the one true church seems to undermine the attitude displayed in this bridge building. Sasha claims to have a knowledge of god's truth (his ONE truth) that cannot be understood by a non-believer.
But the mormon church's new christian friends are really nonbelievers in the mormon's view of god's truth. They don't except the notion that the book of mormon is divine. Their faith, in something then that is NOT true, cannot be as profound or sacred as Sasha's. For if it was, what reason would Sasha have to believe his religion is the true one?
And if these new christian friends have such superficial experiences that have not led them to the truth, why be so disingenuous as to pretend to be united by faith?

Morrison
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I have been thinking over the first post for a while. The psychology is actually pretty simple -- people are searching for a meaning in life, and religion provides a framework for understanding one's place in this world. The Mormon perspective is powerful in that regard: to believe that one is a child of deity with a potential far beyond anything we could possibly imagine; to rise above one's sins and weaknesses through the help of the Son of God; to become as God is, to do what he does, to know what he knows. It is gratifying to see that others, including this young lady, find hope and peace through that message -- one that is certainly found to varyinging degrees in other Christian religious perspectives.

The more fascinating question for me is what makes a person really believe that their religious tenets are true? The various religions, Christian and non-Christian, cannot all teach the whole truth, because their doctrines contradict each other in fundamental ways. If there is a spiritual reality, it follows that some religions must reflect it better than others. It is how individuals make those choices that fascinates me.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

It's always so sad to read the comments of people who try to rationalize away someone else's testimony in order to make themselves feel better. I've never known a person who left the Church who was happier, no matter how much they try to claim they are.

I know the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ is true because I have received personal revelation that it is. I cannot deny this. I would be held accountable before the judgment bar of Christ if I were to do so. The only way to find true happiness and joy is through Christ and his restored gospel no matter how many try to claim otherwise. Thank you, Sasha, for your testimony.

byufootballrocks
Herndon, VA

@JD,

Just because you have a different opinion, please, don't try to suggest to others that their experience is not fully true and just as exacting as they express it. Don't try to lump their faith in with any other set of beliefs.

I know, from sacred experiences, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is exactly what it proclaims itself to be: "the only true and living Church on the face of the whole earth" (D & C 1: 30). I didn't say this, the Lord did. I know that Jesus Christ leads this church. I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, and that the Book of Mormon is true.

I did not obtain my knowledge from anything earthly - I went to the source of all truth.

Anyone is free to leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as they please; they are subsequently free to criticize it all they wish. They are not free to change absolute truth, for that is not possible.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Born and raised but have my own thoughts. I doubt Jesus wanted the competition amongst his believers. I like the idea You Matter, that being the spirit of things, we all matter no mater what your name is.

timpClimber
Provo, UT

Some of us struggle at various points in our life with belief not just with LDS doctrine but with a basic belief in God. I've become a Mormon at least six times the most recent upon the death of a valiant little great grandson. I had blessed to live and felt so sure he would but he was taken. In my deep sorrow I began to question God and if my life following LDS teachings was a waste of time. My dear wife reminded me of the trials of my proud and stubborn great grandfather so I got on my knees and prayed. After several days my heart softened and deep peace flowed into me and that night I was given a beautiful dream unlike any I had ever had. I knew that my beloved great grandson was being cared for by dear relatives who had preceded him in death and that all is as God promised. I'm thankful for experiences such as this, when their past, as they broaden my view and understanding of what life is really for.

ImABeliever
Provo, UT

This is a great story. Those that cannot see this don't have the spirit.
It reminded me when I was a 20 year old backward, homesick missionary from Northern California at the MTC in Provo, Utah in 1980.
One of the instructors challenged us to pray for 20 minutes and uptil then I have never prayed that long. I didn't have a testimony but seeds were planted where I grew up. I grew up to be non-hyprocrital so I I couldn't go to the Bolivia-La Paz Mission being a hypocrite without a testimony. The prayer I had with the Lord that was so sweet when I gained my testimony that I didn't want to stop praying. And as they say the rest is history.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE:ImABeliever, Those that cannot see this don't have the spirit?

Regeneration to the(Born again) Christian faith VS religion. The first sign involves an awaking of conscience of a conviction of sin. A classical example is Isaiah’s vision of the LORD(YHWH) lifted up high and mighty, which inspired Isaiah to cry out woe is me… for I am a man of unclean lips (Isa 6:5)
An awareness of the great gulf between sinful creatures an a absolute holy being.
The second sign involves one’s esteem of Christ , this leads one to confess an orthodox Christology(Tri-une), Holy holy holy) the LORD(YHWH)Almighty.
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus'glory and spoke about him.(John 12:41 NIV)

The a greater regard to the Holy Scriptures and establishes the more in truth and divinity is certainty of the spirit of God.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

I know that somebody up there is watching out for me.
About 10 years ago my house burnt down. everything was flat and black, lock stock and barrel burned. There was nothing to save. Ya I had a few words to say to the Lord. I had a dream one night. The dream was about the tike I wore around my neck for years. I found it in a junk store years earlier. In the dream, a Hawaiian King was old and knew that his time on earth was soon to end. His people starter to speculate on who would be the next king. The King had a sword that was made of jade, the people thought who ever the king passed the sword to would be the king.The King heard the rummer so he took his sword broke it in little peaces, on each little peace carved a face on it. He gave a peace to every person and said You all matter to me as much as I matter matter to you, That's the great spirit of things.

J.D.
Aurora, CO

@byufootballrocks

You state the following about me "Just because you have a different opinion, please, don't try to suggest to others that their experience is not fully true" but then you go on to say that the "the only true and living Church on the face of the whole earth" is the LDS church. In doing so you are suggesting that other people's truth experiences about their religion being true is actually false. Why, because you say so? Do you not see how you are arguing against the platform you are standing on.

Your argument in a nutshell is that the LDS church is true because I say so, and everyone else's church is untrue regardless of what they say. This view is ludicrous!

antodav
TAMPA, FL

I get really tired of life-long members thinking that their waking up at some point in their teens and realizing that the Church is true somehow allows them to empathize with those of us who were not raised in the Church at all…

J.D.
Aurora, CO

@Physics27

Are other people's experiences (or voices within them) inferior to an LDS person's experience? How is the voice within you superior to the voice of someone who says the watchtower bible and tract society is God's voice on earth?

Do you not see the problem with the worldview that your way is the only exclusive way, because of how you feel about it?

sashabill
Morgan Hill, CA

Two of the things which I have learned in my spiritual/religious journey are as follows: (1) Whatever I may think of another person's theology or religious, beliefs (good, bad, or indifferent), I do not presume to judge or dictate where that person stands before their maker, or where they may currently stand in the eternal scheme of things. God knows a lot more about those kinds of things than I do.

(2) Likewise, while I may ask questions (including sharp ones) about another's beliefs, I do not presume to tell or dictate to people of another faith what kinds of spiritual enlightenment, guidance, blessings, or direction they will or will not get from their respective religious faiths. That is between them and God, not between them and me.

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

Let's all be perfectly clear on one thing: the LDS Church "outreach" effort to enter into meaningful dialogue with other faiths in no way signals a move away from our firm commitment that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Kingdom of God on the earth and is the only true Church on the earth. This Church is indeed lead by the Savior Jesus Christ Himself who speaks to man through His Prophet Thomas S. Monson. What has begun to happen more frequently of late is the fact that other denominations have been a bit more open towards us as falsehoods, myths, half-truths, and outright lies about the LDS Church are proven to be exactly that. Our leaders have always attempted to be civil in the public arena and have always encouraged us members to do likewise but all too often have been met with unkindness in response. We are all aware that our assertion of being the one true Church on earth will always be a major bone of contention we will face.

killpack
Sandy, UT

Here's one thing I simply cannot wrap my mind around. Jesus Christ HIMSELF commanded His disciples, in The Bible, to be perfect even as God is. Yet, I don't know a single church, except for one, that believes/teaches this core tenet (after all, what is the grace of God if it can't even deliver me from my own sins and make me whole?). In reality, many, even most faiths actively deny this, as if they get to decide what the grace and power of God is able to accomplish and what it isn't. No wonder such harsh language was used to in response to the honest question 'what church should I join?' by a young Joseph Smith. Paul knew well these days would come, where so many teachers of religion would deny the power of God.

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