@LonestarRunnerI never said anything about Utah. It was about BYU
being the #3 team in the PAC-12. FYI...Sagarin has Utah
ranked at #26 in football. Are you going to tell me you agree that Utah is a
top 26 team? If so then I am willing to admit BYU is 9 plays from
being 24-0 and taking on Bama in the title game.
We should stop making fun of the utes preseason BBall schedule... It is a well
known fact that every team schedules to their potential and capability to
prepare for conference play...Last year they were too aggressive
with their schedule in preseason booking such teams as the Sacramento State
Hornets and the Cal State Nothridge Matadors... Both of which came into the HC
and beat the utes on their home floor (although it wasn't too embarrassing
because no one showed up to watch it)... None the less they needed to tone their
schedule down a bit... So instead of going after WAC and Big Sky teams they
decided to schedule Division II, Division III and NAIA opponents (although that
can still be risky because 2 years ago the utes lost to one of those
schools...Anyway, I personally pledge to be less critical of their
ridiculous schedules in the future.
whew... way to go coach k... another hard fought victory against the best of
Division I opponents... When do y'all play Westminister? These
games have to have the Recruits just lining up at the door with a pen in hand.
Uteology"AP Rankings as of today: blah, blah,
blah."It's laughable how in love you are with opinion polls
when they support your "narrative of the day", but how meaningless they
are when they don't support your opinions.You've preached
ad nauseum how much better the BCS system is over the polls because the
computers consider SOS, yet here you are claiming that the AP rankings, which
don't include SOS, are more valid than Sagarin's rankings, which do
include SOS.Bottom line: It doesn't matter how many Evergreen
States the Utes beat, they won't get any respect until they actually beat
Perhaps coach K. or whoever is scheduling the games is attempting to give the
team the taste of success early in hopes that it will translate into confidence
that will carry over into stiffer completion.If so will it work?
Maybe. Or it may yield the same result as the body builder a few years ago who
took a lot of steroids to bulk up. After beating his previous maximum on the
bench one day, he suddenly became convinced that he could stop a moving car. He
walked out of the gym, into the street, and took on the first car coming his
way.The obituary is somewhere on the web. I'm looking for it
now. If was both funny and tragic.Either way, if the utes continue
to win they will get respect. Otherwise, if they fold against the better
competition then they will pretty much have the same parity and story to tell as
the football team.
After this awsome win its clear we will be going to the ncaa for sure!Go Utes!
@UteanymousBYU, currently ranked 22nd in Sagarin, would be ranked
3rd, if the Cougars were in the PAC 12.--------What?
Nope!AP Rankings as of today:#5 Arizona#17
Oregon#22 UCLAReceiving votes and still undefeated...#32 ASU #37 Colorado BYU just lost so I am assuming the 2 AP
votes are gone.So BYU would be somewhere between #6 and #8.
Snack PACOlympus Cove, UtahChris B"The
schedule gets brutal during concerence[sic] play, so playing some easier games
now is fine."LOL! Congratulations on being "undefeated"
against the 325th worst schedule in the country.Despite your frantic
spin, riding a tricycle around the cul-de-sac won't prepare you for
Daytona.-----------Like San Francisco (1-2) with 283
SOS? Well they with were last year and they did okay against BYU and WCC.Last season San Fransisco (7-9 13-16) was the 5th best team in the
WCC.San Francisco SOS 114 RPI 161Utah (5-13 15-18) SOS 77 RPI
159BYU 87@San Francisco 99 @BYU 80San
Francisco 76Don't worry Cougar Nation, Utah is on the right
track we will be just fine. Next year we have the #4 PAC-12 recruiting class
coming in and I am sure our OOC schedule will improve just like our talent.
Thanks for the concern.Go UTES!
Snack PAC@Chris B"The schedule gets brutal during
concerence[sic] play, so playing some easier games now is fine."LOL! Congratulations on being "undefeated" against the 325th worst
schedule in the country.Despite your frantic spin, riding a tricycle
around the cul-de-sac won't prepare you for Daytona.-----------------Classic!
Chris BIt's understandable that you've completely
forgotten the intricacies of bracketology.Afterall, it's been
ages since the Utes were even in the discussion for an NCAA at-large berth.
Chris B.A win against the 300th-ranked team doesn't even come
close when compared to losing a 2-pointer to the 11th-ranked team.What you don't seem to understand is post-season play for major college
football and NCAA Division 1 basketball are two entirely different animals.Even when football begins its playoff in 2014, the playoff selection
committee will only be splitting hairs between a handful of teams to determine
the final four.In basketball, the selection committee has to choose
68 team from a pool of 350, so the committee can, and does, consider quality
wins AND losses, as well as ugly wins and losses.BYU's 2-point
loss to Iowa State will be considered a quality loss.Utah's big wins
over Evergreen, UC Davis, and Grand Canyon won't be considered at all.
atl134"It's 2.5 weeks into the season and 0 conference
games have been played yet. There are no real PAC-12 rankings..."Actually, there are. Just like Chris B has been spouting off about conference
rankings, there team rankings within each conference.Sagarin
currently ranks Utah as the 8th-ranked team in the conference, two places below
the Stanford team BYU already beat on the road. 5 Arizona 20
UCLA 23 Arizona State 31 Oregon 47 California 48
Stanford 61 Colorado 80 Utah123 Washington State138
Oregon State142 Southern California182 WashingtonBYU,
currently ranked 22nd in Sagarin, would be ranked 3rd, if the Cougars were in
the PAC 12.
How do the "runnin utes" ever expect to improve by playing sub par
teams? Looking at BYU's non conference win over Stanford and a close
defeat to #21 Iowa is what gives your team depth before the beginning of the
@TroyTown,Wrong, a win against a 300 ranked team is better than
LOSING like you guys did.Hurts when your own words are turned
against you guys huh? In football you guys keep saying beating up on worse
teams on better than losing closely to ranked teams like UCLA and ASULOL
atl134Unfortunately for U, Utah's sample size consists of
beating an NAIA Division II team, and the 300th- and 322nd-ranked teams, per
Sagarin.Utah fans may not like it, but the only thing the Utes have
"accomplished" so far is not lose a home game to one of the worst teams
in the country, yet.If your NCAA tournament resume is a complete
blank, what difference does it make whether you're ranked 8th and 12th in
the PAC 12?
Chris BAs far as the NCAA selection committee is concerned, playing,
let alone beating, a 300+ ranked team is completely meaningless. The
only way that playing a team that bad would be a factor is if you LOST. In other
words, all Utah is doing by playing teams like that is robbing themselves of an
opportunity to get a legitimate win.Essentially, at this point in
the season, the Utes are 0-0.
@Uteanymous"Only a completely delusional Utah fan would even think
that the 8th-place team in the PAC 12 stands a chance of getting a NCAA
tournament invite."It's 2.5 weeks into the season and 0
conference games have been played yet. There are no real PAC-12 rankings yet
only low-sample-size projections. (Example of low sample size: Duke was ranked
in the 200s in RPI a few days ago while being ranked in the top 10 in the AP.
Utah was ranked 3rd from the bottom in RPI even while being 2-0 at the time,
obviously Duke isn't going to stay in the 200s and Utah isn't going to
be in the 300s but that's what you get when you apply ranking formulas to
low sample sizes which is why BCS rankings don't come out at the start of
goforitThanks for sharing. Please explain why your
personal opinion is more valid than the opinion of anybody else.In
other words, what makes you an expert in evaluating basketball talent?
"So the Pac 12 in basketball is essentially the SEC of football?"If you're the perennial bottom feeder of the conference does it
So if you're looking for the most ignorant comment of all time look no
further than this article:"Utah beating Grand Canyon in our last
game is more impressive than byU losing a close game to ranked Iowa
State."I don't know whether to laugh out loud or roll on
the floor while laughing out loud. That's just a classic statement.That's even better than U bashing BYU for playing Idaho State when
Idaho State is the first game on your schedule next year.You just
can't make this comedy up!
@Chris BGo Pac12!!! Go 8th place Utes!!! Mark it down!!! Utah will win
the Pac 12 title and get an auto bid to the NCAA!! Mark it down!!
Shawnm750"The superior school down the street scored 112 against
PAC 12 Elite member Stanford..."What it proves is that BYU can
run with the best of them.Current Sagarin Rankings:#11 Iowa
State#22 BYU#48 Stanford#80 Utah#300 UC Davis#322
christy"Losing to good teams isn't building a tourney
resume."If you knew anything about the tourney selection
process, you'd know that one of the factors that the committee considers is
QUALITY LOSSES.Check back when U beat a team ranked in the top
250.Evergreen doesn't even countUC Davis is ranked
#300Grand Canyon is ranked #322
@Staythecourse - "The superior school down the street scored 112 against PAC
12 Elite member Stanford..."True, but that just means that
neither the Cougs nor the Cardinal have a very strong defense. Fortunately the
Cougs can put shots in the basket...when uncontested.
BYU I hate to tell you but Utah is not that much different in basketball than
BYU. They are closer in talent than you are led to believe. Your 1st four are
better than Utah's first four but Utah is much better after the first four.
After Haws, Collinsworth, Mika, and Carillino BYU is fairly weak. If Mika goes
on a mission next year the gap really closes. Think about it objectively, new
rules more fouls, depth is important something BYU lacks.
I really don't have to make any comments about the Utes' SOS,
it's pretty obvious. However, and I say this sincerely, I don't think
the Utes are really helping themselves in the slightest by the out of conference
schedule they put together this year. Beating up on significantly lesser teams
won't help them get ready to play UCLA, and only one game outside of SLC in
the entire preseason also won't help them get ready for any adversity they
may face down the road. I give Utah props for working on building confidence
after the past few years this team has endured, but I fear that may come
crashing down hard once reality sets in.
talkinsports,Losing to good teams isn't building a tourney
resume.Check back when you beat a ranked teamA resume
building team would go 3-1 against Iowa State, Wichita, Texas, and USU.We'll see if byu is a ncaa worthy team. If you are, you'll go 3-1
against Iowa State, Wichita, Texas, and usu.
wow, a 25-point home win over the 347th best team in the country - it's
easy to see why christy is beating her chest this morning.
Chris, you're right in one regard, a win is always better than a loss.
There's no other way to mince words about that. However, I also would
never say that beating Idaho State is more "impressive" than barely
losing to top 25 team. With this in mind, postseason play is always better than
cleaning out your locker the day after the regular season ends. That's
something we both should be able to agree on, don't you think?
christyWhile BYU is busy building its tourney resume, the Utes are
doing little more than scrimmaging.
Chris BGotta love how desperate Utah fans cling to their PAC 12
membership.The Utes are currently ranked EIGHTH in the PAC 12.Only a completely delusional Utah fan would even think that the
8th-place team in the PAC 12 stands a chance of getting a NCAA tournament
invite.Just as in football, the Utes are forced to crow about their
conference, because they have nothing to crow about their basketball team.
Lot of fun to watch the game, even with the weak teams we are playing. I have
no problem saying we have a weak schedule, because it is. At least we are
winning the games like we should. But this was my first game I've gotten
to watch live since moving back to SLC, and I had a blast. We put in our 2nd
string guys at least halfway through the 2nd half, so its nice that we can try
to build up our second string right now before we need them for the tougher
schedule. Glad to be back to watch the Utes live! Oh, and Delon Wright makes
it look easy, I like what I see from him.Go Utes!
Chris B"A win is ALWAYS better than a loss..."When in comes to calculating RPI, that's not true.When it
comes to NCAA tournament selection, the committee gives far more weight to
quality LOSSES than to meaningless wins.
Snack PACUpdated Sagarin ratings#22 BYU(3-1) #143 SOS#80 Utah(2-0) #349 SOSSince Evergreen State isn't an NCAA
Division 1 program, Sagarin doesn't even count that as a real game.
Snackpac,Since there are 36 NCAA Division 1 conferences, being the
11th-rated conference in basketball places the WCC in the top third; the
football equivalent would be top 3 or 4.LOL!So since the
Pac 12 is 3-4 in basketball per every rankings system I can find, what is that
equivalent in football? 1st? So the Pac 12 in basketball is
essentially the SEC of football? LOL!
A win is ALWAYS better than a loss, that's what our byU friends have been
saying all football season. You beating division II Idaho State is better than
Utah losing a close game to ranked ASU right?so Yes, Utah beating
Grand Canyon in our last game is more impressive than byU losing a close game to
ranked Iowa State.Go Utes!
christySince there are 36 NCAA Division 1 conferences, being the
11th-rated conference in basketball places the WCC in the top third; the
football equivalent would be top 3 or 4.Current Sagarin Ratings#30 BYU (SOS #121)#103 Utah (SOS #325)Expected RPI
Forecast Ratings#20 BYU (SOS #67)#132 Utah (SOS #94)*EXPECTED RPI RANK is the best estimate for an individual team of its
end-of-season RPI Rank.Very few teams with a 50+ RPI are even
considered for NCAA at-large bids.
reasonableUTE"we play weak non-conference opponents""weak" is a gross under-statement; Utah plays one of the 10
weakest OOC schedules in the country.BYU fans mock Utah's weak
non-conference schedule because it all but guarantees that the Utes won't
be playing in the Big Dance.Before the season's first game,
Utah's NCAA hopes are already down to winning the PAC's auto bid or
christy"Any great team would go 3-1 against Iowa State, Texas,
Wichita, and Utah State."Unfortunately for U, the Utes would be
0-4 against Iowa State, Texas, Wichita, and Utah State with double-digit losses
to every one of those teams.It's laughable that you
conveniently left Stanford(4-1) off of your list, since BYU has already beaten
the Cardinal on the road, and the Utes are winless at Stanford in their first
two seasons in the PAC.For the third straight season since BYU and
Utah left the MWC, the Utes will be riding their tricycle around the cul-de-sac
post season, while BYU is playing in another post-season tournament, most likely
the NCAA, where BYU has played in 6 of the 8 previous seasons during the Dave
we play weak non-conference opponents, but our conference schedule is very
tough. I think it's funny that the WCC cougar fans of all people mock
Utah's easy schedule.
@Snack Pac,Big choke for your boys the other night. Any great team
would go 3-1 against Iowa State, Texas, Wichita, and Utah State.We'll see if byu does that.Even 2-2 isn't much to brag
about. Go 3-1 and i'll say your team is good. Will theY?How
does it feel ending your season riding a tricycle around the cul-de-sac in the
11th rated conference in the nation?LOL
Chris B"The schedule gets brutal during concerence[sic] play, so
playing some easier games now is fine."LOL! Congratulations on
being "undefeated" against the 325th worst schedule in the country.Despite your frantic spin, riding a tricycle around the cul-de-sac
won't prepare you for Daytona.
Congratulations to the Pac 12 undefeated Utes! The schedule gets brutal during
concerence play, so playing some easier games now is fine. Besides,
by the way the guys are handling these other teams(winning by 20,40,70) means
we'd be doing just fine against much better competition. I think the team
will finish between 4-6 in the Pac 12 this year, which would be great. And remember those who mock the schedule, playing ranked teams
doesn't matter if you LOSE. Undefeated Utes!
Only 79 points? Where is the offense? (That is a new vocab term up there on the
hill ) Offense. The superior school down the street scored 112
against PAC 12 Elite member Stanford and 88 points against ranked 21 Iowa State.
But hey, I give major props to the defense, holding your opponent to
54!!!!That is BIG TIME stuff right there!!!! Way to shut
your opponent down.
"Admission to the tournament is a non-perishable donation to the Utah Food
Bank. Upgrades to lower bowl seats may be purchased for $5."A
small price to pay to see excellence in action.It will be sweet to
see a packed house again.
Grand Canyon? Huh. I never knew there was a college at the bottom of that big
ravine. Which big team is next in the lineup?
Wow! The utes have turned it around, and will be a conference contender.
It was hard to formulate much of an opinion following this game. On one hand
they won the game handily and were never threatened. But on the other hand,
should this be a game Utah should have won by 50 rather than 25? Further still,
would they have actually won by 50 if they weren't simply pacing themselves
for 3 games in 3 nights?Bottom line, the game was nothing special and if I
were forced to take something away from it I'd have to say the Utes
didn't look like a team that will win many games in the Pac 12. I hope
I'm wrong. I hope it's the 3 games in 3 nights thing that proves to be
the reason for a rather uninspiring victory tonight.
yaaaaawnWhen are the Utes going to play a team with a pulse?Sagarin ranks Grand Canyon 347th out of 350 Division 1 programs, UC
Davis 244th, and Evergreen isn't even ranked because they're an NAIA
Division TWO program.Utah's current SOS, 325th.
Wright was a lot of fun to watch tonight. I've never seen him force a
jumper, he just has a feel for the game that lets him know where to go with the
ball. Silky smooth. He should have a bright future in the game.