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Utah Utes basketball: Runnin' Utes sprint past Grand Canyon, 79-54

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  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    @LonestarRunner

    I never said anything about Utah. It was about BYU being the #3 team in the PAC-12.

    FYI...

    Sagarin has Utah ranked at #26 in football. Are you going to tell me you agree that Utah is a top 26 team?

    If so then I am willing to admit BYU is 9 plays from being 24-0 and taking on Bama in the title game.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Nov. 25, 2013 1:02 a.m.

    We should stop making fun of the utes preseason BBall schedule... It is a well known fact that every team schedules to their potential and capability to prepare for conference play...

    Last year they were too aggressive with their schedule in preseason booking such teams as the Sacramento State Hornets and the Cal State Nothridge Matadors... Both of which came into the HC and beat the utes on their home floor (although it wasn't too embarrassing because no one showed up to watch it)... None the less they needed to tone their schedule down a bit... So instead of going after WAC and Big Sky teams they decided to schedule Division II, Division III and NAIA opponents (although that can still be risky because 2 years ago the utes lost to one of those schools...

    Anyway, I personally pledge to be less critical of their ridiculous schedules in the future.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Nov. 23, 2013 1:29 a.m.

    whew... way to go coach k... another hard fought victory against the best of Division I opponents...

    When do y'all play Westminister? These games have to have the Recruits just lining up at the door with a pen in hand.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    Uteology

    "AP Rankings as of today:

    blah, blah, blah."

    It's laughable how in love you are with opinion polls when they support your "narrative of the day", but how meaningless they are when they don't support your opinions.

    You've preached ad nauseum how much better the BCS system is over the polls because the computers consider SOS, yet here you are claiming that the AP rankings, which don't include SOS, are more valid than Sagarin's rankings, which do include SOS.

    Bottom line: It doesn't matter how many Evergreen States the Utes beat, they won't get any respect until they actually beat somebody.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 22, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    Perhaps coach K. or whoever is scheduling the games is attempting to give the team the taste of success early in hopes that it will translate into confidence that will carry over into stiffer completion.

    If so will it work? Maybe. Or it may yield the same result as the body builder a few years ago who took a lot of steroids to bulk up. After beating his previous maximum on the bench one day, he suddenly became convinced that he could stop a moving car. He walked out of the gym, into the street, and took on the first car coming his way.

    The obituary is somewhere on the web. I'm looking for it now. If was both funny and tragic.

    Either way, if the utes continue to win they will get respect. Otherwise, if they fold against the better competition then they will pretty much have the same parity and story to tell as the football team.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    After this awsome win its clear we will be going to the ncaa for sure!

    Go Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    BYU, currently ranked 22nd in Sagarin, would be ranked 3rd, if the Cougars were in the PAC 12.

    --------

    What? Nope!

    AP Rankings as of today:

    #5 Arizona
    #17 Oregon
    #22 UCLA

    Receiving votes and still undefeated...

    #32 ASU
    #37 Colorado

    BYU just lost so I am assuming the 2 AP votes are gone.

    So BYU would be somewhere between #6 and #8.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Chris B

    "The schedule gets brutal during concerence[sic] play, so playing some easier games now is fine."

    LOL! Congratulations on being "undefeated" against the 325th worst schedule in the country.

    Despite your frantic spin, riding a tricycle around the cul-de-sac won't prepare you for Daytona.

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    Like San Francisco (1-2) with 283 SOS? Well they with were last year and they did okay against BYU and WCC.

    Last season San Fransisco (7-9 13-16) was the 5th best team in the WCC.

    San Francisco SOS 114 RPI 161
    Utah (5-13 15-18) SOS 77 RPI 159

    BYU 87
    @San Francisco 99

    @BYU 80
    San Francisco 76

    Don't worry Cougar Nation, Utah is on the right track we will be just fine. Next year we have the #4 PAC-12 recruiting class coming in and I am sure our OOC schedule will improve just like our talent. Thanks for the concern.

    Go UTES!

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    Snack PAC

    @Chris B

    "The schedule gets brutal during concerence[sic] play, so playing some easier games now is fine."

    LOL! Congratulations on being "undefeated" against the 325th worst schedule in the country.

    Despite your frantic spin, riding a tricycle around the cul-de-sac won't prepare you for Daytona.

    -----------------

    Classic!

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    Chris B

    It's understandable that you've completely forgotten the intricacies of bracketology.

    Afterall, it's been ages since the Utes were even in the discussion for an NCAA at-large berth.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    Chris B.

    A win against the 300th-ranked team doesn't even come close when compared to losing a 2-pointer to the 11th-ranked team.

    What you don't seem to understand is post-season play for major college football and NCAA Division 1 basketball are two entirely different animals.

    Even when football begins its playoff in 2014, the playoff selection committee will only be splitting hairs between a handful of teams to determine the final four.

    In basketball, the selection committee has to choose 68 team from a pool of 350, so the committee can, and does, consider quality wins AND losses, as well as ugly wins and losses.

    BYU's 2-point loss to Iowa State will be considered a quality loss.
    Utah's big wins over Evergreen, UC Davis, and Grand Canyon won't be considered at all.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    atl134

    "It's 2.5 weeks into the season and 0 conference games have been played yet. There are no real PAC-12 rankings..."

    Actually, there are. Just like Chris B has been spouting off about conference rankings, there team rankings within each conference.

    Sagarin currently ranks Utah as the 8th-ranked team in the conference, two places below the Stanford team BYU already beat on the road.

    5 Arizona
    20 UCLA
    23 Arizona State
    31 Oregon
    47 California
    48 Stanford
    61 Colorado
    80 Utah
    123 Washington State
    138 Oregon State
    142 Southern California
    182 Washington

    BYU, currently ranked 22nd in Sagarin, would be ranked 3rd, if the Cougars were in the PAC 12.

  • cougs108 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    How do the "runnin utes" ever expect to improve by playing sub par teams? Looking at BYU's non conference win over Stanford and a close defeat to #21 Iowa is what gives your team depth before the beginning of the season.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    @TroyTown,

    Wrong, a win against a 300 ranked team is better than LOSING like you guys did.

    Hurts when your own words are turned against you guys huh? In football you guys keep saying beating up on worse teams on better than losing closely to ranked teams like UCLA and ASU

    LOL

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    atl134

    Unfortunately for U, Utah's sample size consists of beating an NAIA Division II team, and the 300th- and 322nd-ranked teams, per Sagarin.

    Utah fans may not like it, but the only thing the Utes have "accomplished" so far is not lose a home game to one of the worst teams in the country, yet.

    If your NCAA tournament resume is a complete blank, what difference does it make whether you're ranked 8th and 12th in the PAC 12?

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    Chris B

    As far as the NCAA selection committee is concerned, playing, let alone beating, a 300+ ranked team is completely meaningless.

    The only way that playing a team that bad would be a factor is if you LOST. In other words, all Utah is doing by playing teams like that is robbing themselves of an opportunity to get a legitimate win.

    Essentially, at this point in the season, the Utes are 0-0.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    @Uteanymous
    "Only a completely delusional Utah fan would even think that the 8th-place team in the PAC 12 stands a chance of getting a NCAA tournament invite."

    It's 2.5 weeks into the season and 0 conference games have been played yet. There are no real PAC-12 rankings yet only low-sample-size projections. (Example of low sample size: Duke was ranked in the 200s in RPI a few days ago while being ranked in the top 10 in the AP. Utah was ranked 3rd from the bottom in RPI even while being 2-0 at the time, obviously Duke isn't going to stay in the 200s and Utah isn't going to be in the 300s but that's what you get when you apply ranking formulas to low sample sizes which is why BCS rankings don't come out at the start of the year).

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    goforit

    Thanks for sharing.

    Please explain why your personal opinion is more valid than the opinion of anybody else.

    In other words, what makes you an expert in evaluating basketball talent?

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    "So the Pac 12 in basketball is essentially the SEC of football?"

    If you're the perennial bottom feeder of the conference does it matter???

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    So if you're looking for the most ignorant comment of all time look no further than this article:

    "Utah beating Grand Canyon in our last game is more impressive than byU losing a close game to ranked Iowa State."

    I don't know whether to laugh out loud or roll on the floor while laughing out loud. That's just a classic statement.

    That's even better than U bashing BYU for playing Idaho State when Idaho State is the first game on your schedule next year.

    You just can't make this comedy up!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    @Chris B
    Go Pac12!!! Go 8th place Utes!!! Mark it down!!! Utah will win the Pac 12 title and get an auto bid to the NCAA!! Mark it down!!

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    Shawnm750

    "The superior school down the street scored 112 against PAC 12 Elite member Stanford..."

    What it proves is that BYU can run with the best of them.

    Current Sagarin Rankings:
    #11 Iowa State
    #22 BYU
    #48 Stanford
    #80 Utah
    #300 UC Davis
    #322 Grand Canyon

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 22, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    christy

    "Losing to good teams isn't building a tourney resume."

    If you knew anything about the tourney selection process, you'd know that one of the factors that the committee considers is QUALITY LOSSES.

    Check back when U beat a team ranked in the top 250.

    Evergreen doesn't even count
    UC Davis is ranked #300
    Grand Canyon is ranked #322

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    @Staythecourse - "The superior school down the street scored 112 against PAC 12 Elite member Stanford..."

    True, but that just means that neither the Cougs nor the Cardinal have a very strong defense. Fortunately the Cougs can put shots in the basket...when uncontested.

  • goforit Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    BYU I hate to tell you but Utah is not that much different in basketball than BYU. They are closer in talent than you are led to believe. Your 1st four are better than Utah's first four but Utah is much better after the first four. After Haws, Collinsworth, Mika, and Carillino BYU is fairly weak. If Mika goes on a mission next year the gap really closes. Think about it objectively, new rules more fouls, depth is important something BYU lacks.

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    I really don't have to make any comments about the Utes' SOS, it's pretty obvious. However, and I say this sincerely, I don't think the Utes are really helping themselves in the slightest by the out of conference schedule they put together this year. Beating up on significantly lesser teams won't help them get ready to play UCLA, and only one game outside of SLC in the entire preseason also won't help them get ready for any adversity they may face down the road. I give Utah props for working on building confidence after the past few years this team has endured, but I fear that may come crashing down hard once reality sets in.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    talkinsports,

    Losing to good teams isn't building a tourney resume.

    Check back when you beat a ranked team

    A resume building team would go 3-1 against Iowa State, Wichita, Texas, and USU.

    We'll see if byu is a ncaa worthy team. If you are, you'll go 3-1 against Iowa State, Wichita, Texas, and usu.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    wow, a 25-point home win over the 347th best team in the country - it's easy to see why christy is beating her chest this morning.

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    Chris, you're right in one regard, a win is always better than a loss. There's no other way to mince words about that. However, I also would never say that beating Idaho State is more "impressive" than barely losing to top 25 team. With this in mind, postseason play is always better than cleaning out your locker the day after the regular season ends. That's something we both should be able to agree on, don't you think?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    christy

    While BYU is busy building its tourney resume, the Utes are doing little more than scrimmaging.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Chris B

    Gotta love how desperate Utah fans cling to their PAC 12 membership.

    The Utes are currently ranked EIGHTH in the PAC 12.

    Only a completely delusional Utah fan would even think that the 8th-place team in the PAC 12 stands a chance of getting a NCAA tournament invite.

    Just as in football, the Utes are forced to crow about their conference, because they have nothing to crow about their basketball team.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    Lot of fun to watch the game, even with the weak teams we are playing. I have no problem saying we have a weak schedule, because it is. At least we are winning the games like we should. But this was my first game I've gotten to watch live since moving back to SLC, and I had a blast. We put in our 2nd string guys at least halfway through the 2nd half, so its nice that we can try to build up our second string right now before we need them for the tougher schedule. Glad to be back to watch the Utes live! Oh, and Delon Wright makes it look easy, I like what I see from him.

    Go Utes!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    Chris B

    "A win is ALWAYS better than a loss..."

    When in comes to calculating RPI, that's not true.

    When it comes to NCAA tournament selection, the committee gives far more weight to quality LOSSES than to meaningless wins.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    Snack PAC

    Updated Sagarin ratings

    #22 BYU(3-1) #143 SOS
    #80 Utah(2-0) #349 SOS

    Since Evergreen State isn't an NCAA Division 1 program, Sagarin doesn't even count that as a real game.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Snackpac,

    Since there are 36 NCAA Division 1 conferences, being the 11th-rated conference in basketball places the WCC in the top third; the football equivalent would be top 3 or 4.

    LOL!

    So since the Pac 12 is 3-4 in basketball per every rankings system I can find, what is that equivalent in football? 1st?

    So the Pac 12 in basketball is essentially the SEC of football?

    LOL!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    A win is ALWAYS better than a loss, that's what our byU friends have been saying all football season. You beating division II Idaho State is better than Utah losing a close game to ranked ASU right?

    so Yes, Utah beating Grand Canyon in our last game is more impressive than byU losing a close game to ranked Iowa State.

    Go Utes!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    christy

    Since there are 36 NCAA Division 1 conferences, being the 11th-rated conference in basketball places the WCC in the top third; the football equivalent would be top 3 or 4.

    Current Sagarin Ratings

    #30 BYU (SOS #121)
    #103 Utah (SOS #325)

    Expected RPI Forecast Ratings

    #20 BYU (SOS #67)
    #132 Utah (SOS #94)

    *EXPECTED RPI RANK is the best estimate for an individual team of its end-of-season RPI Rank.

    Very few teams with a 50+ RPI are even considered for NCAA at-large bids.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    reasonableUTE

    "we play weak non-conference opponents"

    "weak" is a gross under-statement; Utah plays one of the 10 weakest OOC schedules in the country.

    BYU fans mock Utah's weak non-conference schedule because it all but guarantees that the Utes won't be playing in the Big Dance.

    Before the season's first game, Utah's NCAA hopes are already down to winning the PAC's auto bid or bust.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    christy

    "Any great team would go 3-1 against Iowa State, Texas, Wichita, and Utah State."

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes would be 0-4 against Iowa State, Texas, Wichita, and Utah State with double-digit losses to every one of those teams.

    It's laughable that you conveniently left Stanford(4-1) off of your list, since BYU has already beaten the Cardinal on the road, and the Utes are winless at Stanford in their first two seasons in the PAC.

    For the third straight season since BYU and Utah left the MWC, the Utes will be riding their tricycle around the cul-de-sac post season, while BYU is playing in another post-season tournament, most likely the NCAA, where BYU has played in 6 of the 8 previous seasons during the Dave Rose Era.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    we play weak non-conference opponents, but our conference schedule is very tough. I think it's funny that the WCC cougar fans of all people mock Utah's easy schedule.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    @Snack Pac,

    Big choke for your boys the other night. Any great team would go 3-1 against Iowa State, Texas, Wichita, and Utah State.

    We'll see if byu does that.

    Even 2-2 isn't much to brag about. Go 3-1 and i'll say your team is good. Will theY?

    How does it feel ending your season riding a tricycle around the cul-de-sac in the 11th rated conference in the nation?

    LOL

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Chris B

    "The schedule gets brutal during concerence[sic] play, so playing some easier games now is fine."

    LOL! Congratulations on being "undefeated" against the 325th worst schedule in the country.

    Despite your frantic spin, riding a tricycle around the cul-de-sac won't prepare you for Daytona.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    Congratulations to the Pac 12 undefeated Utes! The schedule gets brutal during concerence play, so playing some easier games now is fine.

    Besides, by the way the guys are handling these other teams(winning by 20,40,70) means we'd be doing just fine against much better competition. I think the team will finish between 4-6 in the Pac 12 this year, which would be great.

    And remember those who mock the schedule, playing ranked teams doesn't matter if you LOSE.

    Undefeated Utes!

  • Staythecourse Ogden, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    Only 79 points? Where is the offense? (That is a new vocab term up there on the hill ) Offense.

    The superior school down the street scored 112 against PAC 12 Elite member Stanford and 88 points against ranked 21 Iowa State.

    But hey, I give major props to the defense, holding your opponent to 54!!!!

    That is BIG TIME stuff right there!!!!

    Way to shut your opponent down.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Nov. 22, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    "Admission to the tournament is a non-perishable donation to the Utah Food Bank. Upgrades to lower bowl seats may be purchased for $5."

    A small price to pay to see excellence in action.

    It will be sweet to see a packed house again.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Nov. 22, 2013 3:56 a.m.

    Grand Canyon? Huh. I never knew there was a college at the bottom of that big ravine. Which big team is next in the lineup?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 22, 2013 1:06 a.m.

    Wow! The utes have turned it around, and will be a conference contender.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    It was hard to formulate much of an opinion following this game. On one hand they won the game handily and were never threatened. But on the other hand, should this be a game Utah should have won by 50 rather than 25? Further still, would they have actually won by 50 if they weren't simply pacing themselves for 3 games in 3 nights?
    Bottom line, the game was nothing special and if I were forced to take something away from it I'd have to say the Utes didn't look like a team that will win many games in the Pac 12. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's the 3 games in 3 nights thing that proves to be the reason for a rather uninspiring victory tonight.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    yaaaaawn

    When are the Utes going to play a team with a pulse?

    Sagarin ranks Grand Canyon 347th out of 350 Division 1 programs, UC Davis 244th, and Evergreen isn't even ranked because they're an NAIA Division TWO program.

    Utah's current SOS, 325th.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 21, 2013 11:04 p.m.

    Wright was a lot of fun to watch tonight. I've never seen him force a jumper, he just has a feel for the game that lets him know where to go with the ball. Silky smooth. He should have a bright future in the game.