CS Lewis said "An individual Christian may see fit to give up all sorts of
things for special reasons--marriage, or meat, or beer, or the cinema; but the
moment he starts saying the things are bad in themselves, or looking down his
nose at other people who do use them, he has taken the wrong turning.”
Amen, CS. Your writings have had effect, but not profound enough.
I like Mr. C.r. Lewis, but I prefer Dr. Francis S. Collins, father of the Human
Genome Project. I loved his book: The Language of God. It really placed God into
the creation and how easily he explains even using science as explanation.
@kvnsmnsn,I should have said "traditional Christianity" when
referring to Lewis' form of Christianity. Certainly, there are Christian
denominations which fall outside the doctrine I mentioned. But, alas,
they're a small minority.I feel the same way as you do re:
Lewis' Trilemma, except I'm not so much offended as annoyed, because
Lewis is working with "loaded dice" here.He makes the
assumption (as most/all traditional Christians do) that the Bible is the
inerrant and infallible Word of God. And he expects us all to have already
agreed to that before giving his Trilemma conclusion that Jesus is Lord.A conscientious court of law would have called him out on drawing a
conclusion based on a belief rather than an established fact. Lewis does that a
lot--in truth, most of us do in terms of our own beliefs.But
it's so important to realize they *are* beliefs and not knowable (on Earth)
facts. We need our beliefs to keep going. But we must never push them on others
as The One and Only Truth. Because we can't prove it--nor were we meant
to, here on Earth.
I like a lot of what C.S. Lewis has said, but he isn't without his flaws.
One of his most famous declarations was what is called his trilemma. Scholars
of his day were saying that Jesus was a great teacher, but that he wasn't
the divine Son of God. Lewis said that the option of being a great teacher
wasn't open for Jesus. Jesus, Lewis said, was either Lord, Liar, or
Lunatic. He based that on the things Jesus said. Would a great teacher, Lewis
reasoned, say he was the Son of God, the Messiah, etc., if he wasn't really
those things?Not a lot offends me. It's hard to find things
that will offend me. But Lewis' trilemma comes closer to offending me than
any other idea I have ever heard. Lewis was willing to consider the possibility
that Jesus might be a liar, but not the possibility that the Bible itself might
be lying when it puts words in Jesus' mouth?
Free Agency posted:=Saddest of all, the God of his beliefs would
cast me into eternal torture for=simply following my own spiritual
guidance (which I believe comes from God),=just as Lewis followed his.==My God would be incapable of doing such a thing. Indeed it would be an
insult=to God to even think it.==And that's one reason
why I'm not, nor ever could be, a Christian.Not all Christians
believe that God will cast souls into "eternal torture." Seventh-day
Adventists don't; neither do Christian Universalists. And the LDS theology
I embrace leads me to the belief that those who end up in "eternal
torture" cast themselves there; God may have had nothing to do with it. In
the LDS view God isn't as much a majestic magistrate as He is a spiritual
physician. If God prescribes medicine for tormented consciences, you can't
blame the physician if the patient doesn't take her/his medicine.
@OwlI didn't "condemn" the Christian faith, I simply
said why I personally could never accept it. If you could tell me in what
*specific* way(s) I've "failed to comprehend" the Christian faith,
I'd welcome hearing it.And the fact that Lewis has been a
guiding light on some people's personal journey is irrelevant to what I
wrote about my own personal journey. Am I not entitled to have my own personal
journey, if done with sincerity and integrity (which it has been), respected as
much as those journeys which have led people to Christianity?@samhillI don't recall mentioning that I was afraid. So your
suggestion that I "fear less and see more" makes no sense to me at
all.As for my knowing little-to-nothing about C.S. Lewis and the
true nature of Christianity, I'd welcome your *specific" counterpoints
to what I wrote. Tell me specifically how I'm misunderstanding these
things.Especially: how am I misunderstanding the Christian doctrine
that anyone, no matter how good-hearted and well-meaning, who doesn't
become a Christian is condemned by God to eternal, irrevocable torture.
To "Free Agency", based on what you wrote, you not only know very little
about the true nature of C.S. Lewis, you know even less about the true nature of
the Christianity he espoused.My suggestion to you is to fear less
and see more.
Agency is never free, it comes with consequences. Failure to comprehend the
Christian faith, however, is not a good or sufficient reason to condemn it. As a
former agnostic, C.S. Lewis has been a guiding light in many peoples'
personal journey. Reading and re-reading his thoughts offers insights into the
true meaning of Christ's teachings. We owe him much.
Thank you, Mr. Jardine, for reminding me to read another work of this great man.
What I have read has affected me for the good.
“I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only
because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.”I
relate totally to C.S. Lewis' statement about why he believes as he does.
I could say the same thing about my own "spiritual but not religious"
beliefs.I would never call Lewis "deluded" for believing as
he does. I honor everyone's own beliefs, as long as no cruelty or
exploitation toward others is involved.But would Lewis have honored
mine, even though he didn't share them? Or would he have called me
deluded, prideful, thinking I knew better than God? From all I've read by
him (and about him), I suspect it would be the latter.Saddest of
all, the God of his beliefs would cast me into eternal torture for simply
following my own spiritual guidance (which I believe comes from God), just as
Lewis followed his.My God would be incapable of doing such a thing.
Indeed it would be an insult to God to even think it.And that's
one reason why I'm not, nor ever could be, a Christian.
C.S. Lewis' writings are thought provoking, in particular, for any
generation's struggles with atheism vs faith. His writings are needed now,
more so than ever.