Haws has got to come off the floor. He is a walking turn-over later in the 2nd
Cyclones are getting homered
Even after getting homered Iowa State won with whatever was left on the bench.
Free throws...free throws...
Ummm...Tyler Haws needs to realize that attempting a jumper in the face of a 6-7
athlete is much different than doing that against the Portland Pilots. Same old
story. BYU is good and beats decent to poor teams. This is Wake Forest and
Baylor all over again. The Y competes but doesn't have the horses to
close, not even at home in front of 20,000.
gotta make free throws, and gotta play as a team. too much dribbling, too many
wide open shots passed up for difficult shots at the basket. Haw's last
shot had 3 guys around him. someone had to be open.
Oh hum, just another loss.
Awful 2nd half by the black and white. The only calls they got right were when
the cameras were helping them. Just an example, how is it a foul on you when
someone jumps on you? There now that I've said my piece, everyone can get
on me about me complaining about the refs, and I can look forward to the next
game.Hope Mika is ok
BYU loses. why? failure to double down low, failure to hit key foul shots, down
the stretch turnovers, Dirty play by Iowa Sate, and one of the worst refereed
games I have ever watched.
A healthy Haws, and Mica would have won the game.
Disappointing loss. The Cougars had every chance to win this game, but in the
end the missed free throws did them in. A few of thoughts:1) I
can't help but think that the thuggishness of Kane hurt BYU more than it
hurt his own team. Austin couldn't stop Niang. After Mika left due to hit
to the face, Niang was the only guy to score a basket for Iowa St. If Mika was
in there, could he have stopped at least one of the three? That might have made
all the difference.2) Too much 1-on-3 (or 4) in the 2nd half. There
were several possessions where a Cougar tried to drive, was triple or quadruple
teamed, and still tried to force up a shot early in the shot clock. Playing
fast is fine, but you still need to make good choices and take good shots. Kick
it out! If 3 (or 4) guys are on you, somebody is open!3) Did I
mention free throws? Haws was 7-8. The rest of the team was 5-12. And
Winder..he had the chance to tie it. And missed.
Kane should be suspended for the year. No reason for that kind of
foul with a possible long term injury to Mica.
And yes, the ESPNU analyst was totally in the tank for Iowa State, very
one-sided. It was a difficult broadcast to listen to, when every comment between
possessions was about what the Cyclones needed to be doing. BYU got no credit.
The foul on Mika probably the dirtiest play I've seen in college
basketball. Dirtier than anything I have seen in Church Ball, even.Nothing
accidental about it. He was looking at Mika's eyes. Wasn't even
looking at the ball. Major cheap shot.Haws' decisions and shot
selection near the end there was horrific, but his foul shooting kept us in it.
The other guards need to start making better than 50% of their free throws.
That's ridiculous. The opportunities were there. The cougars couldn't
make free throws and took too many poor shots.
Great defense by Austin on a shorter, younger player. Where was the help
underneath if you can't handle it. And yes, how many free throws must we
miss year over year.
Haws' last shot was not blocked - the defender clearly hit Haws'
shooting arm. Earlier Bartley was on the bottom of the dog pile, and got called
for the foul. What?? Yep - pretty tough playing against the officials. Now that
I have that taken care of:BYU missed too many free throws - game
I'm happy with the outcome of this game. BYU needs some humble pie.
Haws is Danny Ainge 30 years removed. Arms and body flying all over the place
when there is any contact. Begging for every foul. Just play the game and quit
your crying. Great players like you don't need to play the refs and crowd
like that.Great win Cyclones!!!!!!! Even after some of worse calls
ever. You finished the game with your JV and still pulled it out.
Just checked the stats. ISU out shot BYU from the floor, the 3 point line and
the foul line.Guess what boys: 12 out of 20 (60%) from the free
throw line won't win any games against even mediocre opponents.
It's MIKA! Kick Kane out for the year? That's ridiculous. There were
bad calls both ways.
How many times have we seen games where made free throws could have won the
Going for the eyes with fingers (Kane's hands were open), when the ball was
down below Mika's chest, was as flagrant as it gets.
I thought Iowa State got homered so bad. How does BYU always get a flagrant
foul called on the defender of the opposing team. If you beat BYU in Provo, you
have really done it. You not only have to beat the no-team-players, and
non-passers of Provo but you have to beat the refs. That was a pathetic series
of fouls called on IowaState. If I was there coach I would send in the tape od
this game to make sure those refs never call another game dealing with Iowa
State.Let's face it Cougar fans it is really sad that BYU has
such good shooters but they are selfish. They are not team players. Too watch
BYU players and their no-passing and then watch Utah State and their wonderful
passing is just like watching 2 different teams. Matt Carlino wold never play
for a Stew Morrill team. He doesn't pass, sad. And Haws, why is he trying
to shoot over 3 players? Two team mates were open underneath the basket?
So was it the refs or the missed free throws? Andy Katz is wrong.
worfMcallen, TXKane should be suspended for the year. No
reason for that kind of foul with a possible long term injury to Mica.I
agree but not only should he be suspended he should be kicked off the team that
was a potential career ending injury Mika was not hit in the face he got 2
fingers in the eyes ON PURPOSE very dirty play on IOWA STATES part,plus the
fact they had their own referees and it showed
It is true that one of the analysts was all for Iowa State. It was painful to
listen to him as he continually demeaned the Cougars. Hopefully we'll
learn from this game and be better prepared for conference play.
Should have called a timeout at the end. Terrible play by Haws - three on one
means two guys were open. Haws needs to recognize that. His play against top
teams is lacking. I disagree with troutman on ISU being homered.
The lack of a flagrant on Mika was the right call and the flagrant on Kane was
also the right call. The ESPN announcer who said the replay showed Mika hit him
in the mouth was flat out wrong. The Y missed Mika at the end on defense. I agree with troutman about USU's passing compared to the Y's.
Carlino is out of control so often.
Wow, that was the worst foul I have ever seen! He went after both eyes with his
claws extended. I was shocked that the announcers didn't say much about
it. Miles Simon said he may have been going for the ball? Worst call by an
announcer ever.I hope that Mika does not have permanent damage done
to his eyes.
BYU was cheated by the refs and then beat themselves.No credit to
@troutman, If by Iowa state got homered so bad, you mean Bartley
getting called for a foul when two guys landed on him, Austin getting run over
twice in the same play, the obvious hand slapping Haws' shooting arm at the
end, or even the fact that the refs reviewed the high elbow by Mika for so long,
then I suppose you're right. Most others would see this things as
homer-ish, but definitely not against Iowa State.BTW, the thuggish
nature of ISU was really revealed with Kane's ejection when he obscenely
left the court after sticking not one but two hands into a driving players'
eyes. That's not just the way he left the game, it was how he played all
night long.Of course, it'd be nice if the cougars started
making their darn free throws when they did get the calls.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Haws getting called for a foul as he was pulled to
the ground by his jersey.
Kane, Ejim, and the Iowa State center all fouled Cougs with impunity throughout
the game, and Ejim's finger flip at the end showed such a lack of class,
their Coach, fans should be ashamed of them. The refs let the game get out of
hand, in my opinion...first the over the back flooring of Y's sub center,
no foul called, then the left handed shoving of a Y player into the standard
post, should have been flagrant called, then the fingers to the eyes of Mika,
finally the finger flip by Ejim...then the refs ignore Coach Rose's plea
for a timeout at the end of the game...I feel there's a lot of prejudice
against the Y they always have to play through. This loss hurt a lot.
ISU got the win, but did so in a classless fashion. Poor reflection on the young
men with the fingers to the eye and to the crowd.
I have a feeling Mika will receive quite a few cheap shots in his career. He
reminds me of Rafael Araujo. He's big and physical and his opponents are
gonna develop short fuses out of frustration.
I didn't see the game. Out on a date with my wife. But here is what I get
from the article and the whining. BYU, the unranked nobody, with no talent, no
idea how to play basketball, and with no chance on earth of beating anybody,
took a team that beat Michigan and moved up to #21 in the country to the brink.
They did this while shooting from the floor, three point line and the foul line
like they were blind and yet they still scored 88 points. They did this while
being out rebounded. They did this despite the other teams attempt at blinding
the blind, egging on the fans and complaining that the referees didn't help
out.I may be missing something but beating Iowa St. may have been a major
miracle and so a two point loss is probably a minor miracle. Just think how
good they can be as they improve free throws and three pointers. All you grumpy
guys need to follow someone else, like the Jazz or...Iowa St.
I've never seen anything like Kane's deliberate action to blind Mika.
Fingers curled into claws. He was not interested in the ball at all. He should
be suspended by the NCAA. As for the refs, I've seen better, but they made
the right call on that one. If Mika's out BYU's done. The refs
didn't beat BYU. Their free-throw shooting did.As for the
altitude, it looked like the Cougars ran out of gas.
I can see why BYU likes to run the floor with an up tempo offense and quick
shots - their half court offense is non-existent! I've never seen a team
try to force so many 1 on 3 plays in my life. What happened to passing the ball
around until someone at least has a shot without 2 guys in his face. ISU
exposed a distinct lack of athleticism on the part of BYU. Oh well, what else
is new at BYU...
troutman:"Too watch BYU players and their no-passing and then watch
Utah State and their wonderful passing is just like watching 2 different
teams."Yeah funny how that works. You were literally watching
two different teams...
Woulda Coulda Shoulda. Same-o Same-o Same-o
Thought I was the only one who thought the officials had decided prior to the
opening tip who the winner would be. Lots of Iowa State lowered shoulders and
push off with arms on their drives.On the other hand, the Cougars
looked like they wanted to stay in the locker room after half time, at least for
the first 15 minutes of the second half.
Wait! BYU fans complaining about dirty play and referees? Maybe the better team
won last night.
Good game, that eye guage was brutal. It seemed to effect the game, since
Mika's inside pressence was missed down the stretch. BYU looks pretty good
to me, they will be Gonzaga's biggest test. I can certainly see them making
the NCAA tournament and winning 20+ games.
Must be a coach's dilemma for Dave Rose to have a guard as talented, yet
undisciplined as Carlino. While he does see the floor well when he chooses, his
insistence on playing 1-on-5 ball wastes a fair number of possessions. When he
plays under control, he can be brilliant.On the other hand, the one
who really impressed me, albeit with few playing minutes, was Halford. He has a
pure stroke that can light up the scoreboard on a moment's notice.
No one seems to be metioning the fact that after he sucker punched Mika he
taunted him also. The film needs to be reviewed again and confirm this and then
thrown this guy's rump in the suspended all season long box.
There were bad calls both ways but 2 down the stretch made a significant
difference in the game. Haws was clearly hacked on his jump shot... No ball only
arm. BYU needs to hit their foul shots. Foul shots would have won this
game. Very proud of my Cougars for the battle tonight. By the sheer
numbers of haters chiming in on the dnews today there are many folks who are
intimidated by the strength of this BYU club. Go Cougars!
Credit the Cyclones and their coach. They finished and got the win without their
3 star players, in a hostile environment.
If it wasn't for the refs the cougies would win national championships
every year in football and basketball. It's too bad every ref in the
history of the NCAA has had it out for the cougies. They definitley never lose
becasue of play and coaching the only way they can lose is if the refs fix the
game for the teams they play.
Told ya!Go Iowa STate!And no, you don't get credit
for playing ranked teams if you don't beat them, isn't that what
you' guys have been telling us.Better team won. End of story.
I saw the best and the worst there is to offer in college sports last
evening.I saw I.S. exhibit the worst in lack of sportsmanship and
foul play (literally speaking).I saw referees who failed to call
fouls when they were committed (as opposed to Harmon's recent article
describing how that was to change this season).I saw so many
charging fouls committed by I.S. I lost track of the count.I saw
missed fouls against Carlino andd other by referees at crunch time.Then I saw a team of true athletes turn the other cheek time after time (as
well they should if this sport is to not turn into the caliber of professional
I am so mad at the refs right now.
Reading these posts makes me laugh. You people, who probably never even played
high school basketball, want to rip and criticize athletes, the level of which
you can not even comprehend. It's silly really to listen to your analysis
of stuff you don't even know about. And some of you are doing this at 3
am. Go to bed already!Teams lose basketball games, people.
Basketball is a game of mistakes. And you wonder why athletes choose to tune
out the public and are then portrayed as "arrogant".Great
effort by the Cougs last night...with several opportunities to win. Stuff
happens. Haws is definitely hampered by his injury and I hope Mika is okay.
I'm sure Coach Rose is capable of helping the team improve. I love how
fast they play. Very unusual to see 5 white guys plays so fast. FUN!
I'm disappointed people are complaining about Kane and the refs. Kane
wanted to strip the ball, Mika bent over. I don't think he thought a
6'10 guy was going to squat down that low. he was playing hard and
agressive, intended to foul if he didn't get the ball. It was unfortunate
he hit him so hard in the face. I think it was a terrible unfortunate thing,
but not intentional. That game should have been long put away. BYU
coasted when they shouldn't have. Iowa state fought the whole game--good
for them. BYU has no interior defense. And their outside shooting is just not
consistent enough to play the style they play. I suspect they'll have
other losses like this during the year.
Oh, for crying out loud, would fellow Cougars please stop crying out loud! We
have every reason to be proud of our team, who pushed a superior opponent to the
brink. Yes, it was a physical game, and yes, Rose's strategy was to push
the ball up the floor...not a good matchup in the half court game. Rose is a
brilliant coach, and he gave the team it's best chance, but 60% from the
stripe is on the players. They just couldn't get it done. That happens. But
blaming the refs, and whining about dirty play by Iowa St is just wrong and
classless. It was a great game! I love Cougar Hoops!
@ Chris B.No you don't get credit for not beating them.You were
wrong by the way.You said they would lose by 10-15.Lets see how the
mighty utes do against the WAC this weekend(Oregon beat the 5th best team
in the WAC by 15, Okla. State beat them by 53)Conference of Champions LOL
(when was their last non-olympic sport title)Sounds like it was a
competitive game that could have gone either way.Good luck in the future.
Perspectives differ depending on if you hate BYU or not. Espn has a headline
praising Ejim and Kane for their most excellent win, while those at the game saw
Ejim flip off the crowd as he fouled out, and saw the the full play and lead up
to the intentional eye-gouging by Kane.
However many games Mika missed is the number of games of suspension that should
This started as a basketball game, but when Iowa State realized that they were
not doing well, it became something else. I'd like to say what I really
think, but we know it would not be allowed.
Tough loss against a very good team. Free throws made would have been enough to
win a tough game. The foul on Mika was one of the weirdest and most brutal I
have seen. Having Mika on the court at the end may have been enough even with
the poor shooting. Texas is next.Go Cougars!
Kane's flagrant foul on Mika wasn't the dirtiest play I've seen
in basketball (Ohio State's Luke Witte's being kneed in the groin, and
then stomped on the head, by multiple Minnesota players in 1972 comes to mind,
as well as Kermit Washington's sucker-punching Rudy Tomjanovich in 1977),
but it was definitely wanton and malicious. Fouling is one thing, but if
deliberately going for the guy's eyes doesn't merit expulsion, I
don't know what does. Second, Haws' last shot may have been
ill-advised, but the replays pretty clearly showed the defender got all arm.
What point does calling ticky-tack hand-check fouls serve if players can still
get completely mugged in the lane with no call? The NCAA might want to get this
figured out, and soon.
BYU stopped running last 7 min. of game because they were not getting the
rebounds needed to begin the fast break, and because they were beat down
physically. Interesting that new rules this year were thought to be such that
it would limit the physical play, but there was a lot of it in this game, Tyler
Haws continues to be hounded and fouled...where is Bonson Kaufusi when you need
him? O yah, he's with the football team about to get beaten down by Notre
Dame again. Sorry for the negativity, but one must admit all past experience
indicates the Cougars do not win the big games...I feel like an incurable
gambler, keep losing, but on the chance might win, put another quarter into the
machine...or get hopes up again to actually win a big game, perhaps the point
is, there are better things to do with my time, gotta pull away from this
destructive, gravitational force. Sports is certainly addictive.
ISU confused MMA with collegiate basketball. They are thugs.
You lost. They are better than you.Texas and Wichita likely are
too.Utah State is a tossup.You can brag if you go 3 out
of 4 against Utah State, Wichita, Texas, and Iowa State.I'm not
even sure 2-2 against those is the mark of a great team.Go 3-1 and I
will say byu is a great team.Go 2-2 or 1-3 and you're just an
average team.Surely a great team should be able to go 4 for 4 or 3
for 4 against Usu, Wichita, Texas, and Iowa State right?NCAA
tournament worthy teams would go 3 for 4 in that stretch.Prove it,
or be ready to hear you're average.
This is out of the Ames Tribune: "Replays appeared to show Kane making
contact with his hand to Mika’s face.“(The officials)
said that he didn’t make a play on the ball,” said Hoiberg,
“and they obviously (saw) the replay and I didn’t, so you’ve
got to live with that decision.”I guess if this is what they
thought of the foul on Mika, they probably do not see themselves as a physical,
Wow, I understand why BYU fans are frustrated due to losing such a closely
contested game against a very good opponent, but everyone saying that the foul
on Mika was intentional??? Open your eyes guys and watch the replay a little
more closely. The player was tossed because it was a severe foul but not
because it was intentional. It's obvious to an unbiased eye that Kane
simply anticipated incorrectly - he thought Mika was going to quickly take the
ball straight up to the hoop and therefore made a quick move himself to get both
hands up in front of the ball. Period, end of story.The refs made the
correct call due to severity regardless of intent. But statements like Kane
should be out for the year? Please.
I thought only Gonzaga played too phyiscal for BYU? BYU had less fouls, more
foul shots, and fewer players foul out. The numbers don't lie! Enough with
the Referee excuses, BYU had a ton of chances down the stretch. The foul
against Kane was also called correctly. A flagarant 2, and out for the game. The
funny thing is, when Brandon Kafusi took out Kelly Olynk last year, it was
perfectly acceptable. Nothing more than rough play. What comes around, goes
around. Face it, BYU lost to a better (and top 25) team, by the narrowest of
margins. I've never heard so many excuses and alibi's in my
life.....sheeesh!Accept the loss, BYU has a good team and will be
just fine this year. But for heck sakes, give credit where credit is due. Iowa
State made enough plays down the stretch to win a tough road game; BYU did Not!
U-tah,"Danny Ainge 30 years later,"You mean,
Wooden trophy, NBA All-star, 2 NBA Championships as a player, a miracle
resurrection of the Celtics and another ring as GM? I'm sure Haws hopes
At motorbike. When was the last time you stuck your hands out at 45 degrees with
your fingers curled to block a shot? The foul was retry clearly an intentional
accident.. And the other finger to the crowds yes. That was intentional.
@ Spokane UteThanks for the statement I was busy and could not watch the
game, but your comment seems to be the most reasonable.BYU fans should be
happy BYU lost to a top 25 team by 2 when looking at the statistics you can see
that there is room for improvement to be made to make BYU even better.
This thread is a perfect example of BYU fans being BYU fans. Excuses, blaming
the refs, and absolutely no credit given to ISU. I wonder if it's possible
that there just might be a team out there who is better than the Cougs..... Nah,
its the refs. And the announcers were mean.
motorbike"Wow, I understand why BYU fans are frustrated due to
losing such a closely contested game against a very good opponent, but everyone
saying that the foul on Mika was intentional??? Open your eyes guys and watch
the replay a little more closely."It's you who needs to
open your eyes and take off the BYU-hating blinders.The eye gouging
was absolutely intentional! The Iowa State player shoved his fingers
straight into Mika's face, never even attempting a play on the ball, and
after careful review by the officials, the eye gouging was ruled a Flagrant Foul
2, which calls for immediate ejection from the game.To me,
there's nothing more dirty than intentionally gouging another player's
eyes, especially when you're staring straight into them while you're
doing the gouging.
This is out of the Ames Tribune: "Replays appeared to show Kane making
contact with his hand to Mika’s face."Appeared to
show...???Talk about sugar-coating.The replays
absolutely showed Kane jabbing his fingers straight into Mika's eyes.
Wayne Rout"This started as a basketball game, but when Iowa
State realized that they were not doing well, it became something else. I'd
like to say what I really think, but we know it would not be allowed."Well said. Iowa State's thuggery and boorish behavior in the last
few minutes of the game, helped them win the game, but cost them all respect.
Lots of opportunities missed, net result, we lost...Was the Kane
foul intentional? I don't think so but who really knows. Did the foul have
an impact on the game and the outcome? Maybe... But so did the poor foul
shooting which seems to have become a trade mark for our team... Our horrible
outside shooting was also a problem, as was our inability to shut down the 3 on
defense... I also think that it was a mistake going to Haws for the final
shot... Everybody in the building and watching it on TV knew that that was where
the ball was going and it was clear that Haws was playing hurt... I would have
much rather had an open shot taken by either Winder or even Austin than a Haws
contested shot when he is hurt... If we were going with a "create your own
shot scenario" it would seem that Carlino would have been a better
option...What the Cougs missed in this game was a physical presence
inside (aka Kaufusi), a reliable spot up 3 point shooter to keep the Iowa State
Guards from sagging down on Mika, and some basic, fundamental, free throw
The Cyclones couldn't handle Mika inside on defense, and couldn't rely
on their three point game, and needed to get back in the game. "Sweep the
leg, Johnny." So Kane did. And then acted surprised he was ejected. Thug
BYU fans - You lost the game...Quit wining and blaming the refs everytime you
don't come away with a W.
This loss can be chalked up to Haws and his selfish play. I don't know that
I've ever seen a player that predetermines he is going to shoot the ball no
matter what more than Haws. There were multiple times when he had no shot, or
was triple teamed, yet refused to even try and pass. That last possession where
he was completely smothered and still forced an impossible shot that was blocked
was absolutely terrible. He needs to learn to be more unselfish and pass the
ball to the open man. If he learns that he doesn't have to shoot every time
he has the ball, this team can be very good, but if nothing changes, he'll
get great numbers and personal accolades but BYU will not beat very good teams
like Iowa State.
Refs biggest misses were the clear charges, any suggestion that Iowa St. got
homered is crazy. Refs didn't determine this game though. BYU frittered
this thing away. Iowa State put the ball in the basket when it was their turn.
BYU players made incredibly poor decisions when they had the ball.
Tenn12I disagree. The loss can be chalked up to a young team with 7
new players and not a single senior, that is still learning to play together as
a team. BYU didn't lose the game on Haws' blocked shot. BYU lost the
game on missed free throws, failing to box out, poor shot selection, unforced
errors, and a myriad other correctable mistakes throughout the game.Even so, BYU would have beaten Iowa State if only one more three had dropped
during the game.
DeepBlue, Certainly free throws were a factor. But youth? Seriously? BYU
has a wealth of experience. Besides Mika, that starting lineup has significant
experience of at least a season or more. Using youth is nothing more than an
excuse. Most of the poor shot selection was by Haws. You are correct that the
game wasn't lost all on that last possession, but it certainly contributed.
When you lose by 2, every possession is valuable. I was using the possession as
an example. As I said, there were several times throughout the game where Haws
forced shots. At least half of his 19 shots, 13 of which were misses, were ill
advised and unneeded. As the leader of this team I expect more from him. As the
leader who made many of the team's mistakes, he owns the responsibility. I
like Haws and most of his game. I just wish he played more unselfish and passed
it when the shot isn't there. His teammates are very capable of knocking
down open shots.
Lots of jealous ankle biters this morning.Even with lots of
mistakes, BYU played well enough to beat a Top 25 team, but fell just short.This BYU team has tons of potential and is going to become an even more
exciting team to watch throughout the season.The DesMoines Register
said of the game:"If you thought Iowa State’s victory
against seventh-ranked Michigan last Sunday was big, you’re not grasping
the big picture.If you think what happened — against many odds
— Wednesday night was bigger ...you've got a grip. A firm
one.Iowa State’s 90-88 victory at BYU was the MOST MAGNIFICENT
non-conference win by the 21st-ranked Cyclones in years. A lot of years."
Like football, BYU, and Utah State are the states best teams with Weber coming
Tough loss... We could have really used this one in March come Tournament
time... Iowa State is a very physical and solid shooting team, I was
impressed... Had we hit our free throws the game was ours... Unfortunately, this
problem continues with the Cougs year after year... The Bigs and the Reserve
Guards are horrible at the line... I love Coach Rose but it is clear that that
aspect of the game is not much of a focus or an expectation and tonight it cost
us a win... It would seem with all of the Assistant coaches we have, one could
be designated a "free throw specialist" and some real practice time
dedicated to the skill. This game was also a shining example of why
we need Kaufusi in Basketball attire once he finishes his all star performance
against Washington in the Fight Hunger Bowl...Again, we
should've won... but didn't... So we move on... ISU is a good team and
will challenge Kansas in the B12... Maybe we will get another chance at them in
March... Also, pay no attention to trolls on the hill... The utes
would've lost by 25.
@ worf "Like football, BYU, and Utah State are the states best teams with
Weber coming on"worf, you must be basing your football analysis
on the following results:Utah 30 USU 26Utah 70 Weber 7Utah 20
BYU 13For the record, BYU appears to have a really good hoops team.
Mika better than expected.
The flagrant foul was intentional. Haws is not the selfish "me, me, me"
player, Carlino is. Whoever said he would not leave the bench playing for Stu
Morrill was exactly right. Carlino is talented and does enough good things to
barely break even against his screw-ups. He's a net "meh" player. I
think Bartley should replace him.All whining about refs aside (they
were bad both ways), BYU lost this game all by themselves.
Kane clearly wasn't going for the ball, he should be out at least as long
as Mika is out!
No...that hand and finger go straight to Mika'e face and eyes...this was
not an attempt to get a ball. Flagrant...and intentional.Refs were
horrible...but BYU's free throws were worse, and I thought I was watching
Carlino of two years ago. Very poor performance by coaches and players.
Some players have been called out as being selfish. Some have blamed Carlino.
Some have even mentioned Haws. Fact is, all of the guards were guilty of trying
to take on 3 defenders; Carlino, Collinsworth, Haws, Winder...the all did it at
some point in the game. I think the last two games might have done them a
disservice because they were able to score driving against multiple defenders in
those games. Iowa St. had better defenders, though.Also, just
because somebody brings up a call by the referees they thought was wrong does
not mean that person is whining or blaming the refs. I think most people agree
that poor free throw shooting cost them this game. In fact, it seems to be a
pattern against tougher competition: for some reason the 70+% FT shooting
Cougars fall off into the 50-60% range in tough contests. Field goal percentage
falling? Understandable. But free throws? Something is strange about that.
If you can't rebound, you can't expect to win. Too many offensive
rebounds given up to a shorter team. Too many missed free throws. Horrible 3pt
shooting. ISU won it. We had our chances and didn't finish it. Done! Next
@skywalkerThe DesMoines Register said of the game:"If you thought Iowa State’s victory against seventh-ranked Michigan
last Sunday was big, you’re not grasping the big picture.If
you think what happened — against many odds — Wednesday night was
bigger ...you've got a grip. A firm one.Iowa
State’s 90-88 victory at BYU was the MOST MAGNIFICENT non-conference win
by the 21st-ranked Cyclones in years. A lot of years."---------------He wasn't talking about your team, he was
talking about playing in the Marriott Center. I agree, MC is a difficult place
to win:"Doesn’t matter that the Wolverines were a top-10
team and the Cougars weren’t even in the ratings. The win was
on the road. Students sat close enough to the floor to get under the skin
— and finger — of opponents ... like Melvin Ejim....The
atmosphere inside the Marriott Center was exactly what makes college basketball
such a great sport. Overcoming it made this night special for an Iowa State
What a major blunder by Austin when he threw the ball into Collingsworth. You
give the ball to the money play who is either Haws or Carlino. Carlino could
have taken the inbound pass and dribbled down and laid it up to tie it or he
could have taken a 3-pointer under pressure. Collingworth all night wanted to be
the hero. Sad, we could have won if cooker heads prevailed. Hope we learned a
great lesson from this loss. I am not against driving to the basket. But again,
GIVE THE BALL to the money player: Haws or Carlino!
@St. George Cougar:You must not know the BYU team as well as you
think. His name is COLLINSWORTH. Not Collingsworth. In case you haven't
been paying attention the last few games, he's just as 'money' as
Carlino, and I'd even argue to say Haws.
I don't particularly like St.George Cougars word choices, but I think
he's right... I like Collinsworth a lot (with or without the
"g")... but there's a time and place for every talent ... If we had
time to run a half court Offense I'd have set up Haws or Carlino for a
"spot up shot" and put the ball in Collinsworth hands to make it
happen... We only had 3.5 seconds however, no time for half court Offenses, and
there's probably no better player on the floor at shot creation than
Carlino... The pass should have gone to him and let him drive or pull up
(he's also the quickest of the three).I thought the bigger
mistake was giving the ball to Haws on the previous possession, who hadn't
played for two weeks and who looked like he was nursing an injury... Instead I
would've given the ball to Collinsworth, set up Carlino or Haws for a spot
up jumper coming off a screen or two, and if they couldn't clear, use them
as Decoys for a likely unguarded Winder or Austin to win or lose it for us.
Uteology"He wasn't talking about your team, he was talking
about playing in the Marriott Center. I agree, MC is a difficult place to
win:"LOL at your splitting of hairs. The Marriott Center is
intimidating because of the quality of the team that plays there; just like the
Huntsman Center used to be intimidating before Utah's basketball program
became a smoldering train wreck.
"There is none so blind as he who WILL NOT see." Neil Diamond? (Emphasis
I watched the game and the foul on Kane was clearly intentional. He deserved to
be ejected. The no call on Mika earlier, there was contact, but he was making a
basketball play, as the rules allow. Kane was not attempting to go for the ball
at all. Iowa State struggled to handle Mika all night offensively, defensively
and on the boards. That foul and Mika leaving the game were the deciders.
However, that being said, even so, if BYU shot free throws half way decently,
they would have won anyway. I think the refs let a lot of thug fouls go. I was
worried about this, the NCAA comes out with new rules, but how long will it
last. Iowa State consistently mugged Haws all night. They should have had more
players foul out to be honest. But the refs did not lose the game, BYU failed
to make foul shots. It is that simple. I hope the guys will learn from this
and get better.
Kane's thuggish flagrant foul was so blatant it's hard to see how
anybody could defend it, even in Ames. Is that really what they have to stoop
to? Here's hoping Kansas beats them by 40 … twice.
Ute fans, it is a little too early in the season to be in here thumping your
chest without even a glimmer of 'look at what we've already done'
to back it up with. The BCS blindness from football has carried over into
basketball season with a huge failure... A failure to recognize what happened
last Monday.... A victory in Maples Pavilion to the tune of 112-103... A like
opponent under like circumstance, minus of course the in conference
ramifications and nearly a whole season of team chemistry strengthening etc...
Who the heck is Evergreen State? Oh yes... an NAIA team from Washington that
came, played and got mutilated by the too early to tell how good they are
Huntsman Center hosts... For U the earliest true test is on December 14th and oh
how I hope it is a convincing home annihilation of the hosts... You really need
to get off our boards and go cheer on your team and pray for some kind of return
to the Majerus years while finally coming to terms that BCS means nothing on the
hardwood or in March... Yes, the major v mid-major still plays its ugly hand, so