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Published: Thursday, Nov. 21 2013 7:15 a.m. MST

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K
Mchenry, IL

Deacons can be married at the time of ordination.

Widows can enter religious life. Religious life is a lifelong calling. It's more than a job.

Some are called to celibacy. Being married to Christ or to his church is fulfilling for religious. How can being the spouse of Jesus be bad? When you are married to another human and perhaps have children you are distracted with your own life and responsibilities. Celibacy allows the work to be done that can't by people with families.

There are churches that support civil rights, gay marriage, the environment. They are like any other nonprofit who not everyone and their brother may agree with. They have an opinion on things.

Conception is when life begins. That is why the position on birth control and abortion are what they are.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Ranch -

Controlling sexual desires is not the same as celibacy. It means keeping conversation and forms of entertainment clean and not including inuendo or outright descriptions of sex acts. It means having respect for yourself, your partner, and those around you.

As a recovering sex addict, I applaud all efforts to eliminate pornography and indecency from open society. If you want to indulge in those things, do it in private. I do not need it shoved in my face via TV, movies, advertisements, internet pop-ups, billboards, etc., and neither do my kids.....

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

RedWings says:

"Ranch -

Controlling sexual desires is not the same as celibacy. It means keeping conversation and forms of entertainment clean and not including inuendo or outright descriptions of sex acts. It means having respect for yourself, your partner, and those around you.

As a recovering sex addict, I applaud all efforts to eliminate pornography and indecency from open society. If you want to indulge in those things, do it in private. I do not need it shoved in my face via TV, movies, advertisements, internet pop-ups, billboards, etc., and neither do my kids....."

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I'm confused then. How does a LGBT couple not meet the requirements in your first paragraph? How does it qualify for the second?

You equate homosexuality to sex addition and pornography when, in fact, a loving, committed LGBT relationship is identical to a loving, committed heterosexual relationship.

Casey See
FLOWER MOUND, TX

If I may reply to Ranch and Intervention and explain my views a little more. I am not advocating that individuals have to abstain from sex before marriage. What I am saying is that we, the tax payers or businesses, shouldn't have to pay for programs that in essence says that people are not accountable for their actions.

Today, we pay women to have children outside of wedlock and the man has no consequences for his actions. Instead, we should be requiring that both the man and the woman be accountable for conceiving a child. Instead, we say we will pay for an abortion or pay the woman to have the child. Then we wonder why children grow up seeing members of the opposite sex as objects to satisfy a physical urge. Children grow up in single parent, normally single mother, homes. The boys learn that they don't have any obligations, the girls, that if they don't want to work, have babies.

Those that have abortions, many have deep psychological issues of guilt afterwards. These are the consequences of todays social policies and mores. Sorry, in my estimation, taxes shouldn't support these activities.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Red wings wrote:

"As a recovering sex addict, I applaud all efforts to eliminate pornography and indecency from open society. If you want to indulge in those things, do it in private. I do not need it shoved in my face via TV, movies, advertisements, internet pop-ups, billboards, etc., and neither do my kids..."

As a recovering believer, That is the same thing many of us have said about religion! Keep your religion to yourself and we will support keeping pornography out of the public square - to my way of thinking, both are equally offensive and harmful to society.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@Casey See:

"What I am saying is that we, the tax payers or businesses, shouldn't have to pay for programs that in essence says that people are not accountable for their actions."

Then, as I said earlier, make the families of missionaries "accountable for their actions" of sending their sons/daughters out there to preach by REMOVING the tax deduction (which foists some of the expense onto other taxpayers).

"Those that have abortions, many have deep psychological issues of guilt afterwards." -- Some, possibly, others, not so much (I know a few women who have had abortions and none of them feel guilt afterwards).

If you require young men to marry the girls they get pregnant, you often create unstable marriages; especially when they don't love the girl. Allowing abortion protects society, as there will be fewer unwanted children being raised in unstable homes.

Bob K
porland, OR

Casey See
FLOWER MOUND, TX
Those who argue that that requiring organizations to provide birth control and abortion services through their insurance in the name of equality and or preventing discrimination miss what I believe is an important fact. Why should tax payers or organizations be forced to pay money to fund services that would allow someone to conveniently remove the consequences of their actions?

....... Only a man, a White man, would write that. Leaving aside whether imposing our morals and our judgements on others is OK with Jesus, let us just be practical. Unwanted pregnancies cost society a lot of money for medical care, schooling, prisons, and lost work time of the mothers. Employers save maternity leave time and expense, and get better attendance when women do not have surprise children.

Morevover, you blame the WOMAN for getting pregnant. Suppose she is married -- do you support her refusing her husband for fear of pregnancy?

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