It's all about the money. America has become so materialistic that it has
put Mammon before God. I loved living in Europe and seeing entire families
walking together around the city and parks on Sundays with very little traffic
on the streets. Few stores were open and no malls. A designated pharmacy would
be open for emergencies. Staying open on Sundays means forcing many
people (who would rather not be there) to work rather than attend church or
relax with their families. The CEO's won't be working, of course, just
the underlings.As someone once remarked, "No one ever said on
his deathbed, 'Gee,I wish I'd spent more time at the office.'
Hobby Lobby:"Sunday would be a profitable day to open," he said.
"But we feel that taking care of our employees is more important."Funny, this is the same company suing so that they don't have to
provide comprehensive healthcare to their employees.
As a consumer and a religious man, I take notice of businesses that close their
doors on the sabbath. I respect them for honoring the time held Judeo-Christian
belief that "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the
seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:" So, to all you business
owners out there who close your doors in observance of the sabbath (whether your
sabbath be Saturday or Sunday), I say good on you! I make it a point to give my
shopping preference to your stores and establishments.
@Kevin the POGP talked about someone offering salvation to everyone not forced
righteousness. How would he force it? Didn't say. Who likes to be told
what to do all the time? I doubt the 3d hosts of heaven did. A business should
be able to do what it wants. One day of closing does help.As for
Dnews being delivered on Sunday I read where Mark E Peterson in his biography
heard David O Mckay talk about it and they chose to deliver then. Did not get a
whole lot of complaints. Several things run by the church require Sunday labor,
Police, Doctors, Pilots some ag jobs require Sunday labor. Don't know
about Athletes. As for retail could avoid that by not shopping then.
Not all religions Sabbath's are on Sunday. When I lived in New York I
shopped at a photography store run by a very nice Hassidic Jewish family. I knew
that if needed something I needed to get it by early afternoon on Friday because
the store would close early so they could be home before sundown, if I did not
get it I would have to wait until Sunday or go elsewhere. There were also many
places closed on Sunday for various religious and secular reasons, they did not
make a big fuss about it or demand everyone follow their dictates it just was
what it was. it is the nature of the city as I suspect is true of LA. I have no
problem with companies making these decisions but blue laws are just silly in a
I spent my high school years in a small town in Deep East Texas.Every drugstore in town had a soda fountain and grill. All were open on
Sundays.The clerk that ran the soda fountain and grill in the main
drugstore refused on religious grounds to cook on Sunday.I never
figured that out -- why it was objectionable to cook, but not to do business.
Sunday is just a day. Not even the sabbath, if that's what you want to peg
your closing day to. I remember small town stores closing on wednesday, to make
up for their staff working saturday. And nobody should be getting postal
delivery on the weekend. They're losing money like crazy; delivery should
be to central boxes in communities maybe three days a week.
@gittalopctbi --"Au Contrarius" -- I like that. ;-)"what IS Hobby Lobby's "true intent" that we don't
already know? "Oh, we already know it -- they're just not
admitting to it in their flimsy excuse for the Sunday closing."Why criticize a company that gives at least one day off a week to its
employees?"Most of America gives their employees at least one
day a week off. We've got 40-hour work weeks, remember? That doesn't
mean that everyone has to have the SAME day off."It's their
store. They can do what they want. " Yup.
The POGP talks about someone advocating the use of force to promote righteous
behaviors. Blue Laws do this exact thing. Consider this quote -“When I was a small boy we had just emerged from under the blue laws of
Connecticut -- to greater freedom of thought and action.” (Wilford
Woodruff)Such laws are contrary to the Gospel and American
principles of freedom and should therefore be condemned as evil in both the
secular and sectarian sense.
So, Utah is not the only state to have businesses that close on Sunday? Could
it be that those evil Mormons are not the only ones who like stores closed on
Sunday? Every time I hear all the complaints about all the
"restrictions" that the Church imposes on others here, I tell them that
they have never been in the Bible Belt -- Deep South -- or any other areas of
the United States and, apparently, Europe as well. And I well remember when we
had strict blue laws in effect where I grew up. We didn't miss a thing by
keeping most stores closed on Sunday, and it was nice for the people who worked
in the stores to have a day when they could be off with their entire family.
Someone else posted that employees could have another day of the week off, and
while that is true, if you have people in one family with different days of the
week off, you never get the opportunity to have the entire family together on
one day. And I wish the stores would stay closed on Thanksgiving, too!
re Steve CottrellCenterville, UTI wasn't alive 60 years
ago, but in my life time, people who ordered the Desnews got it Monday through
Saturday and on Sunday got the Salt Lake Tribune. The same carrier who
delivered on the the 6 days of the week also delivered on Sunday. My guess is
this is how it was 60 years ago too. Back then the LDS was more strict about
most everything. Over time they have moderated.
@ gittalopctbi: You are absolutely right and the entire premise of this article
Many large national chains insist that their franchisees be open on Sunday as a
matter of company policy.In small towns in Utah, this is often a
money losing proposition. I am aware of many business that have petitioned
their parent company for an exception so they don't have to lose money to
be open on Sunday.Some have relented, but most have stuck to the
policy even thought it costs the franchisees money.
BTW, the Dallas Morning News Sunday Early Edition is available on Saturday from
9:00 AM in the grocery stores, so you don't have to have people work on
Sunday to get a Sunday paper.
"Bergen County is one of the few counties in the United States enforcing
strict blue laws within its limits, said Jeanne Baratta, spokeswoman for Bergen
County."Obviously, they haven't been to Texas.Some counties are completely "dry", some allow beer and wine sales but
not hard alcohol, some completely prohibit sexually oriented businesses. Some
restrict car dealerships to selling on only one weekend day - Saturday OR
Sunday, but not both. As to businesses being closed on Sunday, I
enjoy being in Texas where it is not frowned on, but people close up shop on
Sunday and it is understood. Chick Fil-A, Hobby Lobby and other large concerns
(some restaurants) still close on Sunday down here, and it's refreshing.When I lived in Oregon (20+ years), Sunday was just a second Saturday.
Au Contrarius, pray tell--what IS Hobby Lobby's "true intent" that
we don't already know? Why criticize a company that gives at least one day
off a week to its employees?Left out of the discussion is
Chick-Fil-A that also closes on Sundays.@Kalindra I do not
understand how a business owner can "impose" his beliefs on the
consumer. The consumer is not forced to do business with him, first of all. The
mere fact that the consumer would not be able to purchase at this business on a
particular day is not imposing any "belief" on a consumer any more than
a business owner closing at a certain time at night. Most barbers and beauty
shops are not open on Monday. We plan for a different day instead, right? Or
find one that is. Why find complaints about businesses? It's their store.
They can do what they want. Don't like it? Take you money elsewhere.
The businesses I avoid are the ones open 24/7.
In the Bible, it was the Pharisees who favored strict enforcement of the Sabbath
commandment. It was also the Pharisees who came up with a number of goofy rules,
such as putting food at a distance then defining Sabbath travel in such a way
that traveling to where the food was was not a violation of the commandment,
Readers of the Bible will recognize that Jesus criticized the Pharisees for
their over adherence to the letter of the commandment and not to its spirit. The Hebrew Sabbath is on Saturday (Saturn's day in Rome), but was
changed to Sunday in Christiandom. Christian apologists claim this is because
Jesus was resurrected on Sunday, but if he was crucified on the day before the
Sabbath and resurrected the morning after, then the 3 days in the tomb count
doesn't really work. It seems more likely that Sunday (The sun's day
in Rome - which worshiped the Sun) was chosen synchronisticly to coincide with
Constantine's - and Rome's - affiliation with Sol Invictus (the cult
of the Sun).
I'm surprised that people remember when the Deseret News did not have a
Sunday paper. I was delivering the Deseret News 60 years ago -- every Sunday.
I'm amused that Hobby Lobby claims its closure policy is all about the
employees.They don't have to close on Sundays in order to give
their workers a day off. There's no reason why workers have to all take the
*same* day off.Of course Hobby Lobby has the right to close whenever
they wish -- but they should at least be honest about the reasons. IMHO
it's very telling that they feel the need to hide their true intent.
In some religions, Saturday is the Sabbath. Members if these religions have no
moral imperative to not do business on Sunday. In a pluralistic
society such as ours, it is perfectly valid to offer business services on
Saturday and Sunday thus allowing patrons and employees to honor their Sabbath
in the manner dictated by their belief system without imposing the beliefs of
the business owner on them.
"Blue laws, as they're commonly known in the United States, require
nonessential stores to be closed on Sundays to conform with local moral and
cultural standards."Operating a business on Sunday - a day named
in honor of the sun god, Apollo - is not a "moral" issue.
Amazon is going to start delivering on Sundays, following a uniquely American
philosophy of catering to customers. ... Is this policy really uniquely
American?I remember when the desnews didn't offer a newspaper
WHY? Thats an easy one.Most, not all, business that are open on
Sunday, do it for the money.Most, not all, that are closed on Sunday, do
so because the Govt told them they had to. I find it a bit
hypocritical that this is written by a DN reporter and published in the DN which
operates a "business" that forces lots of people to work on Sundays.
Absolutely necessary? I think not. There was a time when the DN
did not publish on Sunday.