To "LDS Liberal" I am not insisting that it be illegal, I don't
know where you get that idea from. If it is a valid medication, it should go
through the FDA, just like every other medication to be made legal.If it is just an herbal remedy, then why do we have to legalize anything. You
can already get hemp seed oil legally through Amazon, so what is really
wanted.You can already legally purchase what they are asking for, so
what is it that these people really want?
PGVikingDad, It can take the people of a state decades to decide that is is more
important to help the sick than it is to punish the stoners, and Utah has a long
way to go. Please move to Colorado now to protect your son's health from
further declines. We have a vibrant LDS communities throughout the state, and
Medical Cannabis Centers in many communities. Cannabis has been a legal medicine
in Colorado for more than a decade, and so far it has worked out OK. The job
market is good, and unemployment is low. Please come.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTAnswer the question Red -- If it doesn't get you "high",and can't be changed or
modified to make you "high", then WHY do you insist it be
To "LDS Liberal" you missed my last post. If I can already buy hemp
seed oil legally, and that hemp seed oil contains the CBD that they claim fixes
all sorts of problems, why do they need cannabis to be legalized? If it is the
THC that is the active ingredient, again, that is legal.People
already have access to the supplement that they want. So, unless they are
looking to legally get high, there is no point in legalizing anything new.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTSo again, what is really going on
here? What is it that people really want to legalize?9:14 a.m. Nov.
22, 2013======= Ya, Red -- what is really going on
here?As a self-proclaimed Freedom fighter, get the Federal
Government our of our lives, where in the Constitutionalist does it say
"X"...What is it that people like you insist on keeping it
ILLEGAL?If it does no harm, If it doesn't make you
"High", The proof is on you and your ilk to justify why it needs
to be kept and remain illegal.
To "enough already" if the issue is CBD based drugs, again, why do we
need to legalize anything new? I can go to Amazon and order hemp seed oils that
contain CBD and have them shipped to my house. As I asked before, what is
different about what these people want legalized and the currently legal?So again, what is really going on here? What is it that people really
want to legalize?
Redshirt1701Deep Space 9, Ut3:26 p.m. Nov. 21, 2013======== The "Supplements" you are thinking about are just
vitamins.The law says they include much more.St. John's
Wort -- used for depressionGingko Balboa -- used to focus attention, aid
memory and treat Alzheimer’s Peppermint -- steeped in a tea, is used
to sooth stomachSaw Palmetto -- used for Prostate inflammationCranberry Juice -- for Urinary tract infections?and let's not
forgot the #1 best selling drug of all time --CAFFEINE -- alertness; found
in coffee, soda pop, energy drinks, and chocolate. BTW -- Brigham Young had a motto for the State of Deseret.Do you know what it
was?.."Mind Your Own Business"..words to
Redshirt1701THC in the strain they use for this is super low and the CBD
is higher where in the cannabis that people use to get high has high amounts of
THC and super low amounts of CBD man do some research you will be
questioning everything they told you!!
I am 100% AGAINST smoking marijuana, but if something in a canabis plant can
truly/actually be used to help with seizures in children?....THAT, I am all
for.What makes something "good" or "bad" is its
To "enough already" and how do we know that it is not the THC that is
the ingredient that is working? That is the question.To "Open
Minded Mormon" asprin is a natural product, yet that has become a commercial
success. So is menthol, penicilin, and other products that are derived from
natural sources.The question remains, what is the active ingredient.
The other problem is that using this to treat seizures, it would now be
considered a drug. Supplements are intended to replace or augment nutrients
that are normally consumed.Shouldn't we be a least concerned
with the safety of the use of this. How do you know that there are not
potential problems from taking too much (See vitamin E and Calcium
supplements).If you are going to use it as medication it should
receive the same testing that all Federally approved drugs are required to get.
I can't buy over-the-counter medications because drug dealers cook them
into crack.I can't buy an oil, made by an herb, that can't
be used or cooked into anything "bad", has no "high", and
is completely worthless on the blackmarket for it's street value.butand yet it's good, fine, ok and legal to buy drugs made from
opium so powerful that I can have open heart surgery and sleep like a baby
feeling no pain? ...with a black-market street value enough to make me
very, VERY rich? Am I missing something here?The
ONLY people buying this stuff are people [and kids] suffering from Epilepsy, These are not drug dealers or gang members, lurking in dark back alleys,
dancing and playing the piano ala, Reefer Madness.
Redshirt1701Deep Space 9, Utis this going to go through the
FDA like all other medications? There are drug companies that manufacture
cannabis based drugs, and could potentially benefit from this.========= Gee RedShirt, why don't you call Orrin Hatch and
ask him?As a natural product (non laboratory manufactured),it
can't be patented [Which explains why Big Pharmaceutical spend $Billions
annually lobbying against them.]I believe this falls under
"dietary supplements" , not a drug.Since it's an herb, with
some medicine properties, It’s like teas, salves, tinctures or
ointments.Like you find at Harmon's, GNC, Dave's or
Bountiful Nutrition.It has ZERO psychotropic effects.It's
not getting little Tommy stoned, It's not turning on Pink Floyd or
the Grateful Dead really, really loud, It's not calling all your
buddies over for an all nighter watching Comedy Central eating pizza.Fight it all you want Red.As adults, we all know right from wrong, we don't need political hacks telling or defining it for us.We
should be Free to Choose.I thought you wanted Government out of our
lives, but, now you are showing your true colors.
Redshirt1701This oil contains every chemical compound in the cannabis
plant the so called legal cannabis drugs you asked about are man made drugs and
only contain man made THC and no other compoundsfound in the cannabis
plant and is man made!! God made cannabis and nobody has ever died from cannabis
and man made pills and pills kill all the time!!! Who knows what the FDA
will do!! does that help?
Severl questions about this.First, what does this oil contain that
the already legal cannibus drugs do not?Second, is this going to go
through the FDA like all other medications? There are drug companies that
manufacture cannibus based drugs, and could potentially benefit from this.Can anybody answer those questions, or are we to just accept this and go
along with it because somebody said so?
"pgvikingdad" I will email my state reps. and ask them to support the
bill. There's absolutely no reason not to. I have a daughter with
epilepsy and her Dr. (subtly)suggested I just go to Colorado to get what I
needed.WHY should I have to do that, is my logic. You can buy
recreational drugs like marijuana on any streetcorner, but, SOMEHOW, if I have a
legitimate medical purpose, I can't?That just seems goofy to
me!Thanks for your work in getting the law changed.
PGVikingDad not to take from your child but you can not hold the cure for so
many ailments and diseases and pick and choose or change the wording just to fit
your needs. If you are going to legalize medical cannabis for one persons needs
it should be legalized for all that can benefit in a positive way from it!! Then
just say oh well to the rest of the people that can benefit from cannabis oh
well they can suffer or move or break the law ?
Ok people stop the lies right now!!!This CBD oil is from cannabis plants
that the good people in Colorado took time to grow and pick out certain strains
that are high in CBD and low in THC! It is still cannabis so stop lying and tell
the truth people are tired of being lied to.Changing the wording for this
cannabis oil to hemp oil is a lie and all the war on cannabis is a great big lie
that started with racial propaganda .(i.e. the white women will lust the black
man after smoking a cannabis cigarette and the migrant worker will act like a
bull fighter in Spain ) that is what politicians used to get our grandparents to
demonize this great plant that has many uses. The point don't lie we are
tired of being lied too! The truth will set you free!! Maybe go research for the
truth and you will see for yourself!!
PGVikingDadPleasant Grove, UTAmen, and AMEN!I'm with you brother.BTW -- Brigham Young encouraged the
Saints to grow hemp.They needed it for making ropes and MEDICINE.
Every form of life is placed on this earth for a purpose. It is frustrating that
we can't manage ways to make this plant available for legitimate purposes
without it being abused by fools. Is there no way to make marijuana available
for medicinal purposes without opening the door to recreational use? Why is this
different than any other controlled substance or prescription drug. Seems
In DN Subscriber's defense, I have seen those dispensaries in Venice Beach,
with barkers working the boardwalk dressed in fake scrubs, offering to get
medical marijuana prescriptions for any passerby for a $25 fee. We definitely
*do not* want that for Utah. That's why we're calling for a
well-crafted piece of legislation that makes *hemp oil* - not marijuana - legal
in Utah. Believe me, no clear-thinking pothead would pay $25 for this stuff.
DN Subscriber said: "For the rare case where currently illegal drugs have
some potential medicinal value, any legalization for limited use is instantly
abused with phoney doctor notes and trumped up diseases by those who enjoy
recreational use of drugs."Lets examine your opinion "Rare
Case?" Coca (cocaine) provides the base for nearly all local pain, Like your
dentist or getting sticthes, and opium poppies are still the go to plant for
most pain medication, so Not rare at all that we use plants that have illicit
cousins on the street.Lets look at "Some Potential" how
about huge potential how about a plant found to be in common use by man and for
over 5000 years, that Israel is now unlocking it's potential because
ignorant politicians businessmen won't even allow research to be done in
America.And please you be the judge of others "Trumped up
diseases" like PG vikings 11 year old kid, that just wants to "Get
High."But hey don't you dare touch my trans-fat addiction.
A couple more points I'd like to make: My wife and I love Utah. For what
it's worth, we're mini-van driving Mormons with teens on local sports
teams. We love our communities specifically for the values we share with them,
and we would never do anything to compromise those values. And having access to
a hemp-derived oil will not compromise those values in the slightest. The only
thing it will do is save lives. Do the research; it is undeniably effective, and
certainly far safer than the current "legal" drug cocktail that has bent
my son's bones and caused organ failure in his frail body. Hundreds of
families have already uprooted their lives to move to Colorado. Do you really
believe they would do that on some vague hope? The horrible truth is that our
children are suffering and dying, and it doesn't need to happen. We've
witnessed too many tiny coffins in just the ten years we've been trapped by
this disease. Save their lives with some common sense.
@ DN Subscriber: And your point? Many painkillers are abused through fraud.
Are you suggesting they be made illegal, or are you just trying to justify
keeping something you personally disapprove of illegal?
My wife is spearheading this discussion in Utah, and this *must* be made
available to our suffering children. Our 11-year-old son suffers hundreds of
seizures per week, and he is being aggressively tortured to death by his
misfiring brain. Here is the truth about Alepsia: 1. It is NOT smoked, and it
CANNOT get children high. It's an oil from hemp, which has virtually zero
THC. Therefore, there is also no potential for abuse. 2. It works, and it is the
*only* safe and effective treatment for these children. The head of Pediatric
Neurology at the U, Dr. Filloux, has written a three-page letter pleading for
our legislators to make this available. His medical peers also signed the
letter. 3. It has already saved lives. CNN recently did a 1-hour prime-time
special on precisely this treatment. It told the stories of the children who
have been saved from their wheelchairs and unrelenting seizure activity. 4.
Nothing else works. Our son is on eight different pharmaceuticals, and he still
had 15+ seizures just last night. For these kids, it is this treatment, or
severe disability, mental retardation, and death.
The medicinal benefits of this God-given, seed bearing herb is more and more
becoming scientifically proven to be incredibly beneficial for human health in
do many studies and should no longer be overlooked.
We continue to allow pharmaceutical companies and doctors to feed us all these
highly addictive chemical based meds that have more side effects than benefits.
Then we have a completely natural, highly beneficial herb that can do a whole
lot of good and we act like it's the most evil thing ever. Will it be
abused, absolutely. But even the side effects of that are minimal compared to
prescription drug abuse now. Look at the history of Canibus (sp?), just like
everything else today, lobbyists for pharmaceutical companies, cotton industries
and paper companies demonized what it is. I used to believe it all, but now
know people who greatly benefit from it's use medically. It's already
being abused illegally by really anyone who wants to, with little enforcement.
The more you think about it, a natural herb that benefits man. Fits into some
good words of wisdom I've read before.
For the rare case where currently illegal drugs have some potential medicinal
value, any legalization for limited use is instantly abused with phoney doctor
notes and trumped up diseases by those who enjoy recreational use of drugs.Anyone who has seen the proliferation of "medical marijuana
dispensaries" in California or Colorado knows exactly how any concessions
for legitimate use are abused by addicts.
There are many medicinal uses for marijuana that need to be available. We need
to keep marijuana illegal for recreational usage until age 25, then only arrest
and convict if operating a vehicle under the influence or breaking some other
law. But protect teenagers from it while their brains are developing, then
leave it alone, like we do alcohol.If we could step up enforcement
of kids up to age 25 (it has been shown that addiction is much higher if people
under 25 experiment with substances - after 25 or so the addiction rates go way
down) and not bother ourselves with adult users over 25 of marijuana AND
alcohol, I think we'd see a healthier society.And of course,
any medicinal use needs to be allowed with prescription.
Marijuana is not just about getting high anymore. There are more studies being
done that are showing the medicinal purposes that would help many medical
problems like arthritis, nausea, and so many others. It would be beneficial in
so many ways and can be used in lotions, foods, and drinks instead of smoking it
for the effects.