To several above: Do you really expect the media to not sensationalize, to not
hyperbolize by pulling together things that have no natural context or
relationship with each other? What a radical and revolutionary concept is that?
I'm more surprised that they were as restrained as they
There is another article in the Ensign magazine by Elder Jeffrey R Holland
entitled "Like a Broken Vessel" that is excellent for helping and
How tragic. Mental illness is no respecter of persons or families. NAMI is a
national organization that has helped our family cope with its mental health
struggles. Also the article by Elder Ballard is very inspired from above.
My heart and prayers go out to the Bybee family. Suicide is just a devastating
tragedy. My hope is that this victim chose the temple as the location because
he felt a certain amount of peace there. For those affected by his passing,
there is a wonderful article by Elder Ballard about suicide in the Ensign
My thoughts and prayers are with the devastated family over the loss of their
son. My heart goes out to them.
Our hearts go out to the relatives and loved ones of the one who took his own
life. It is the most helpless of all deaths as it leaves more questions than can
ever be answered. Every incident like this reminds us that no family is totally
free from heartbreak.
To all those here who have lost loved ones, my sincerest condolences. I hope
each of you finds true peace. I hope the same for the Bybee family.
My heart goes out to families who lose a child at all, especially by their own
hand, which my teenage son did 22 years ago. It is devastating for the family.
The first year after the death is the worst. I would like to testify ... (To
paraphrase an article of faith..) I believe that all mankind may be (healed)
through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Still, very tough to survive, it's
like climbing a mountain every day. The recovery is long and hard, but do-able.
Open Minded Mormon, I'd like to respond to your last point but I'm not
sure what it is.
Queen Jane: What a beautiful testimony that progression continues; from one who
knows first-hand the pain of loss. Thank you for sharing today.
I have seen a number of people benefited by the anti-depressant medications
developed in recent years. Suicide has always been one of the
manifestations of severe depression, for centuries before we had medications
that ameliorate the symptoms of depression. the medications have only been
available for a few years. Exactly how you determine that someone's
suicidal ideation was caused by a medication, rather than the underlying
depression, is not clear to me as a simple matter of logic. Since the
underlying mental illness can be progressive, and symptoms worsen on their own,
the idea that suicidal ideation occurred or increased after the patient started
taking a medication, and therefore must have caused the increase, is the worst
kind of post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. To the contrary, it may indicate a
need for a higher dosage of the ameliorating medication, which is a highly
individual matter. Additionally, one of the unfortunate
circumstances is that people suffering mental illness are not always consistent
in taking their medications. Blaming a medication for what happens when people
refuse to use it is also illogical. TElling people to stop using their meds is
playing roulette with their lives.
My daughter took her life almost 6 years ago and it was a greatest test for me
and my family, but as we strive to stay strong in God we have felt His love and
purpose to go on. This past conference I think elder Holland talks about people
with depression and I know that God is fair and He loves these individuals as
much as He loves us. I know from a mother's revelation concerning the well
being of my daughter that she has changed and the love from us and God has
healed her. I can't wait to see her again and I know that she was there
with us in the temple when her sisters got married. Recently, my brand new
grand daughter was born on her birthday. I know these events are not at all
co-incidents, and I'm grateful for everything in this life. I pray that
the Bybee family will stay strong in their faith and find peace.
I feel so badly for this family and I wish there were no public conjecture about
what happened, but I feel the need to respond to speculations about SSRIs. The
black box FDA warning is for those under 25 and came from a 2004 review. The
NIMH states: “In the FDA review, no completed suicides occurred among
nearly 2,200 children treated with SSRI medications. However, about 4 percent of
those taking SSRI medications experienced suicidal thinking or behavior. . . .
More recently, results of a comprehensive review of pediatric trials conducted
between 1988 and 2006 suggested that the benefits of antidepressant medications
likely outweigh their risks to children and adolescents with major depression
and anxiety disorders. The study was published in the April 18, 2007, issue of
the Journal of the American Medical Association."A 2012
meta-analysis of current data showed that “fluoxetine and venlafaxine
decreased suicidal thoughts and behavior for adult and geriatric patients. . . .
No evidence of increased suicide risk was observed in youths receiving active
medication.” A recent observational study of 29 European countries showed
that while antidepressant use increased over a 15-year period, suicide
decreased. Open Minded Mormon's personal experiences are
tragic, but evidence shows that antidepressants are lifesaving medications.
RFLASHSalt Lake City, UTI wonder why, not to judge, but to
understand. My nephew shot himself. He was about the same age. We didn't
see it coming! 5:49 a.m. Nov. 21, 2013======= Was he depressed?Was he taking SSRI medications?I've
known about a dozen friends and family who've committed suicide while on
these meds.BTW - The FDA requires a "black box" warning
label be put on them stating an increased risk of suicide as a possible side
I agree with the above comments. Suicide always involves some sort of mental
illness. Why are journalist always anxious to figure out the reasons for these
sad illness issues (using politics) instead of bringing more attention to the
root of the problem. Mental illness is becoming more and more understood and
the media should at the very least let people know there are options and help.
What does half that article do for so many families that could use helpful
useful information about these cases?
I have 4 sons and have retired from military, federal and state government jobs.
The pressure, exposures to incidents and activities, the time away from
families and the mother having to do many jobs and responsibilities with the
kids is enormous. There are plenty of suicides of various family members for
those people that serve unselfishly for our nation and citizens. The news media has made a big deal over the waterboarding and it affects and
it's effects are definitely felt in the family of that person that wrote
the memo, directly or indirectly. California and the appeals court there is
known for a lot of things. I feel sad for the family and the impact
on them during this life as they lost a son, no matter the reason. For those
who have had children attempt to take their life for a variety of reasons or
causes, we should all give our children a hug each and everyday that we can.
One of my granddaughters told of an experience where she made a
difference in another girl's thoughts of suicide or to take her life. Life
is fragile in a tough world of bullying and instant publicity-media.
Why spend effort trying to second-guess what the reporter should or should not
put in a story? I, for one, am glad that it was a little bit sensationalized so
it caught my attention enough to read about it and prompt me to hug my own sons
just a little bit tighter today.
I wonder why, not to judge, but to understand. My nephew shot himself. He was
about the same age. We didn't see it coming! I just want to tell the family
sorry for their tragedy. It makes wish that I could take away the pain. May God
bless them all. It is so hard!
What a tremendous blessing that this young man did no harm to any others there!
So often we read of incidents like these where a deranged shooter ends many
innocent lives before taking his own. It also strikes me that he
chose to walk through the temple into the courtyard, rather than stay in the
waiting area where many other people were gathered. None of us can
know just what he was thinking that caused him to end his life, but I feel that
the place he chose to be is indicative of his inner yearnings. May God bless
Scott and his family.
I agree with Flashback, I can't see what the father's legal decision
11 years ago has to do with what must be a terrible family tragedy. It would
have been nice to know a little more about the victim, like where he lived, his
family status, any previous contact with law enforcement. You know, the Who,
What, Where, When, Why and How bit. Could have focused more on the victim and
less on the father.I feel sad for the temple workers on duty, and
the patrons who had to witness this death.
My, that's a shame....
Temple, federal judge, BYU alum - DN, go easy on the sensationalism. This is a
personal and family tragedy, treat it as such.
To Flashback...I understand your concern. Journalists are always trying in their
stories to give us all the information they have in order to better identify
people and situations. I don't think there was any malice intended, nor
thoughtlessness. The writer was just better identifying the characters of the
This is tragic. What I don't get is why it matters that Judge Bybee wrote
the waterboarding memo in this type of article? Totally useless and frankly
tacky information that has nothing to do with what happened.
Terrible news. Good thought, prayers for this family.
The facts of the case will come out eventually. But, as a Father too, I would be
devastated if my son took his own life. So Judge Bybee. I am so sorry for your