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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 20 2013 3:05 p.m. MST

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BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

The facts of the case will come out eventually. But, as a Father too, I would be devastated if my son took his own life. So Judge Bybee. I am so sorry for your loss.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Terrible news. Good thought, prayers for this family.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

This is tragic. What I don't get is why it matters that Judge Bybee wrote the waterboarding memo in this type of article? Totally useless and frankly tacky information that has nothing to do with what happened.

hnoel
Layton, UT

To Flashback...I understand your concern. Journalists are always trying in their stories to give us all the information they have in order to better identify people and situations. I don't think there was any malice intended, nor thoughtlessness. The writer was just better identifying the characters of the story.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

Temple, federal judge, BYU alum - DN, go easy on the sensationalism. This is a personal and family tragedy, treat it as such.

Richard Larson
Galt, CA

My, that's a shame....

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree with Flashback, I can't see what the father's legal decision 11 years ago has to do with what must be a terrible family tragedy. It would have been nice to know a little more about the victim, like where he lived, his family status, any previous contact with law enforcement. You know, the Who, What, Where, When, Why and How bit. Could have focused more on the victim and less on the father.

I feel sad for the temple workers on duty, and the patrons who had to witness this death.

Lasvegaspam
Henderson, NV

What a tremendous blessing that this young man did no harm to any others there! So often we read of incidents like these where a deranged shooter ends many innocent lives before taking his own.

It also strikes me that he chose to walk through the temple into the courtyard, rather than stay in the waiting area where many other people were gathered.

None of us can know just what he was thinking that caused him to end his life, but I feel that the place he chose to be is indicative of his inner yearnings. May God bless Scott and his family.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

I wonder why, not to judge, but to understand. My nephew shot himself. He was about the same age. We didn't see it coming! I just want to tell the family sorry for their tragedy. It makes wish that I could take away the pain. May God bless them all. It is so hard!

Heart and Mind
BUENA VISTA, VA

Why spend effort trying to second-guess what the reporter should or should not put in a story? I, for one, am glad that it was a little bit sensationalized so it caught my attention enough to read about it and prompt me to hug my own sons just a little bit tighter today.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

I have 4 sons and have retired from military, federal and state government jobs. The pressure, exposures to incidents and activities, the time away from families and the mother having to do many jobs and responsibilities with the kids is enormous. There are plenty of suicides of various family members for those people that serve unselfishly for our nation and citizens.

The news media has made a big deal over the waterboarding and it affects and it's effects are definitely felt in the family of that person that wrote the memo, directly or indirectly. California and the appeals court there is known for a lot of things.

I feel sad for the family and the impact on them during this life as they lost a son, no matter the reason. For those who have had children attempt to take their life for a variety of reasons or causes, we should all give our children a hug each and everyday that we can.

One of my granddaughters told of an experience where she made a difference in another girl's thoughts of suicide or to take her life. Life is fragile in a tough world of bullying and instant publicity-media.

Shr8er
Pleasant Grove, UT

I agree with the above comments. Suicide always involves some sort of mental illness. Why are journalist always anxious to figure out the reasons for these sad illness issues (using politics) instead of bringing more attention to the root of the problem. Mental illness is becoming more and more understood and the media should at the very least let people know there are options and help. What does half that article do for so many families that could use helpful useful information about these cases?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT
I wonder why, not to judge, but to understand. My nephew shot himself. He was about the same age. We didn't see it coming!

5:49 a.m. Nov. 21, 2013

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Was he depressed?
Was he taking SSRI medications?

I've known about a dozen friends and family who've committed suicide while on these meds.

BTW - The FDA requires a "black box" warning label be put on them stating an increased risk of suicide as a possible side effect.

R.I.P.

Anonyme
Orem, UT

I feel so badly for this family and I wish there were no public conjecture about what happened, but I feel the need to respond to speculations about SSRIs. The black box FDA warning is for those under 25 and came from a 2004 review. The NIMH states: “In the FDA review, no completed suicides occurred among nearly 2,200 children treated with SSRI medications. However, about 4 percent of those taking SSRI medications experienced suicidal thinking or behavior. . . . More recently, results of a comprehensive review of pediatric trials conducted between 1988 and 2006 suggested that the benefits of antidepressant medications likely outweigh their risks to children and adolescents with major depression and anxiety disorders. The study was published in the April 18, 2007, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association."

A 2012 meta-analysis of current data showed that “fluoxetine and venlafaxine decreased suicidal thoughts and behavior for adult and geriatric patients. . . . No evidence of increased suicide risk was observed in youths receiving active medication.” A recent observational study of 29 European countries showed that while antidepressant use increased over a 15-year period, suicide decreased.

Open Minded Mormon's personal experiences are tragic, but evidence shows that antidepressants are lifesaving medications.

Queen Jane
santa clara, CA

My daughter took her life almost 6 years ago and it was a greatest test for me and my family, but as we strive to stay strong in God we have felt His love and purpose to go on. This past conference I think elder Holland talks about people with depression and I know that God is fair and He loves these individuals as much as He loves us. I know from a mother's revelation concerning the well being of my daughter that she has changed and the love from us and God has healed her. I can't wait to see her again and I know that she was there with us in the temple when her sisters got married. Recently, my brand new grand daughter was born on her birthday. I know these events are not at all co-incidents, and I'm grateful for everything in this life. I pray that the Bybee family will stay strong in their faith and find peace.

coltakashi
Richland, WA

I have seen a number of people benefited by the anti-depressant medications developed in recent years.

Suicide has always been one of the manifestations of severe depression, for centuries before we had medications that ameliorate the symptoms of depression. the medications have only been available for a few years. Exactly how you determine that someone's suicidal ideation was caused by a medication, rather than the underlying depression, is not clear to me as a simple matter of logic. Since the underlying mental illness can be progressive, and symptoms worsen on their own, the idea that suicidal ideation occurred or increased after the patient started taking a medication, and therefore must have caused the increase, is the worst kind of post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. To the contrary, it may indicate a need for a higher dosage of the ameliorating medication, which is a highly individual matter.

Additionally, one of the unfortunate circumstances is that people suffering mental illness are not always consistent in taking their medications. Blaming a medication for what happens when people refuse to use it is also illogical. TElling people to stop using their meds is playing roulette with their lives.

Lasvegaspam
Henderson, NV

Queen Jane: What a beautiful testimony that progression continues; from one who knows first-hand the pain of loss. Thank you for sharing today.

Anonyme
Orem, UT

Open Minded Mormon, I'd like to respond to your last point but I'm not sure what it is.

dotGone
Puyallup, WA

My heart goes out to families who lose a child at all, especially by their own hand, which my teenage son did 22 years ago. It is devastating for the family. The first year after the death is the worst. I would like to testify ... (To paraphrase an article of faith..) I believe that all mankind may be (healed) through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Still, very tough to survive, it's like climbing a mountain every day. The recovery is long and hard, but do-able.

Semi-Strong
Louisville, KY

To all those here who have lost loved ones, my sincerest condolences. I hope each of you finds true peace. I hope the same for the Bybee family.

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