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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 20 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

One can only imagine the horrors if Mitt Romney would have succeeded in fooling the American people.

Barack Obama is a great man and truly wanted to be a bi-partisan leader. Republican "Party of NO" representatives simply wanted this great man to be a failure.

They won't succeed.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

Did he intentionally lie?

I wonder if that criteria could be used on President Bush in regard to Iraq?

Were we lied to? Were they planning an attack even before 911?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

And here I thought this was going to be about 'Dishonest president' GW Bush, Mission Accomplished, Weapons of Mass Destruction, 5,000 dead - 75,000 wounded American servicemen/women, and $4 Trillion of unfunded spending...

But Utah, the Deseret News and the Republican establishment with their 15 second goldfish memories can't seem to EVER remember.

Only Obama and his, "secret" birth certificate, Benghazi cover-ups, and telling "millions" of Americans [all 0.4% of them] who had their substandard insurance policies cancelled.

I'd like to know,
Does ANYBODY in Utah know personally of ANYBODY who has received one of these letters and been dropped?
[on the contrary, I've talked with many who have been previously denied, who can now get it.]

I've been asking this for weeks now -- and still haven't heard of anyone.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Since before Jan 20, 2009 you continually judge a man by a different standard than those before. I wonder where your outrage was for those who lost their insurance before the ACA or were forced to file bankruptcy because of medical reasons or those who were 'misled' to search for weapons of mass destruction or the thousands that died after "mission accomplished". It's amazing that it's a lie when this POTUS speaks but when the last guy speaks it's just politics.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

@Wayne Maden "Democrats who are up for re-election next year are starting to distance themselves from him and his plans."

Wow, I believe I have just met the master of understatement. Distancing themselves? They're fleeing like rats from a burning ship.

The problem for them is that the botched rollout was preceded by botched legislation. And they all voted for it.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

As I am not a mind-reader, I don't know if O is a conscious liar or not. I don't know if GW Bush was a conscious liar when he got us into Iraq. I doubt either of them intended to create a debacle. History will judge the consequences of both. I suspect history will be kinder to Obama.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

President Obama made a statement that was true for about 95% of the people. And he should have clarified that it wouldn't apply to the other 5%. But on the other side, opponents of the ACA have been spouting one outrageous lie after another e.g. death panels, government takeover of all healthcare, people will get microchipped by the government, etc.

These same people that have been lying through their teeth are now absolutely outraged that the president made a statement that was only 95% true.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Irony Guy sums it up well and let me add to his comments by saying that all Presidents either lie or were incorrect when stating supporting arguments for their positions.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT
@Wayne Maden "Democrats who are up for re-election next year are starting to distance themselves from him and his plans."

Wow, I believe I have just met the master of understatement. Distancing themselves? They're fleeing like rats from a burning ship.

The problem for them is that the botched rollout was preceded by botched legislation. And they all voted for it.

8:32 a.m. Nov. 20, 2013

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Wow Nat --
I thought you were talking about the new and improved Mike Lee,
member key-figurehead of the Republican Tea-Party Caucus.
or the NOW "I'm not a Tea-Partier" Mia Love.

Talk about the #1 play from Mitt Romney's Flip-Flop political playbook.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Mr. Maden wrote: "Did he intentionally lie? That's quite hard to prove, and he knows that. But remember, the best con men are the ones who draw you into their confidence."

The letter was not about former Presidents. It was about our current President. Surely no one would claim that a former President is forcing Obama to lie. Surely no one would tell us that Obama is just a puppet for some former President. Surely no one would stoop so low as to divert attention away from Obama.

Obama is the President. The facts are beginning to come in about ObamaCare. The facts being presented by DEMOCRATS contradict what Obama said. The facts show that Obama knew that his "promises" were untrue.

The question demands that we evaluate Obama. Either Obama is a dupe who doesn't know what is going on or he purposefully lied to us. Which is worse? Which would engender trust?

Obama has used up his allotment of "trust". He needs to feel the consequences of what he has done (or failed to do, if he really is ignorant of the consequences of signing ObamaCare).

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Let's not forget --

President George "Read My Lips, NO new taxes!" Bush.
President finger waging Bill "I did not have sexual relations" Clinton,
President Reagan and Iran-Contra,
President Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon,

But,
let's stay focused on the only President ever capable of telling a 95% half/truth...

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

Recent polls indicate that if the last election were held today, Romney would win. It's called buyers remorse. Obama has been exposed as a rigid ideologist who still believes that nothing good can come unless the government does it. He has subsidized a dependent class of voters that is his base. The census bureau revelations concerning their manipulation of job creation and unemployment prior to the last election confirm that the supine media and this dishonest administration stop at nothing to present their fantasy of prosperity. The ACA fiasco is not the problem, it is a symptom of the administration's incompetence and dishonesty.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

You have your choice of dishonesty or ignorance. Pick the one you feel comfortable with. The trouble with being honest 95% of the time is that one cannot tell when the other 5% is being spoken.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

@Roland Kayser "President Obama made a statement that was true for about 95% of the people."

That's incorrect. You're not figuring in the employer mandate, which kicks in next year. The Obama administration has estimated that somewhere between 39% and 69% of health care plans would be replaced under Obamacare. They have argued this before the Supreme Court, while Obama was telling everyone "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. Period."

The 5% figure is another Obama lie. Don't be suckered in by it. He's not credible.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

embarrassed Utahn!

RE: "Barack Obama is a great man and truly wanted to be a bi-partisan leader. Republican "Party of NO" representatives simply wanted this great man to be a failure"...

If he really wanted to be a bi-partisan leader... then why did he allow his super-majority in Congress actually LOCK the doors to the room where they were discussing and crafting the Obama Care legislation and not allow a single Republican into the room??

Google it... Democrats actually had the locks changed on the doors to keep Republicans out of the chambers where they were discussing the legislation!

How the heck is THAT "bi-partisan"??

Barack Obama PROMISED to change Washington politics as usual... but name even ONE thing he has actually done to even TRY to accomplish that!

Locking Republicans out does NOT accomplish that. Congressional leaders telling Republicans "We don't need your votes so you won't be involved in the conversation"... does not send that message to the other party.

IF Obama really wanted to be bi... he would have reigned in his party' leaders in Congress and INSISTED they involve Republicans in crafting his first legislation.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

New report indicates 500,000 peopled died in Iraq.

No WMD's.

Lets have a honest conversation about a lying President….

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

It started out as a true statement when made before the healthcare bill passed because all plans before then would be grandfathered in. It's only plans developed after Obamacare passed that fail to meet Obamacare standards that there are issues with. These issues affect around 5% of people.

It's just silly the feigned outrage as if this is the first time a politician has ever said a statement that turned out to be false.

@Nate
"You're not figuring in the employer mandate, which kicks in next year."

The employer mandate has nothing to do with this.

@2bits
It takes two to tango and the Republicans have shown no willingness to work on anything (where's their immigration bill btw?).

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Pagan,

RE: "New report indicates 500,000 peopled died in Iraq"... and

Are you aware that more American soldiers have died in the first 5 years Obama has been President than the whole 8 years Bush was President?

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It's not so fun when you realize that your partisan game ends up pointing more to your guy than to the one you WANTED to vilify.

This is a quote from an article dated June 27 2013)...
"575 US troops died in Afghanistan during the Bush presidency. By August 18, 2010, following two troop surges initiated by President Obama, that number had doubled. Today, over 1500 US troops have died in Afghanistan since President Obama took office".

That was dated June 27 2013, so it's even worse now... And now your hero Obama has signed an agreement to keep US troops in Afganistan till 2024... what do you have to say about THAT?

I remember in a debate when Senator McCain said he thought we would be involved in Afghanistan for a decade, and Obama and the Democrat-Media ridiculed McCain over that.

It's weird that you think this vilifies Bush and not Obama.

Confused
Sandy, UT

Pagan....

Please do some research on the internet and you find that the US did Actually find WMD's in IRAQ after their invasions...

what they did not find is any "NEW" WMD's, but they did find some WMD's that was suppose to be destroyed under the UN mandate of 1991...

Sorry to bust your bubble, the fact that no liberal News media reported it shows the bias. Check out wikileaks and Huffington Post for more details.

ConservativeCommonTater
West Valley City, UT

hmmm, so Obama lied about something that is helping 47 million people or more in the long run?

But, Bush merely made a "mistake" by invading Iraq due to bad info about WMD's? Bush's "mistake" has killed over 4,000 Americans and more than 100,000 Iraqi's. Bush's "mistake" has kept the U.S. in Afghanistan for the longest war in our history.

Bush's "mistakes" have cost $trillions and will take another decade to correct.

Obama's "lie" about a few people being able keep their current Doctors and coverage is much worse though.

Is that about right???

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