Published: Wednesday, Nov. 20 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
One can only imagine the horrors if Mitt Romney would have succeeded in fooling
the American people.Barack Obama is a great man and truly wanted to
be a bi-partisan leader. Republican "Party of NO" representatives
simply wanted this great man to be a failure.They won't
Did he intentionally lie?I wonder if that criteria could be used on
President Bush in regard to Iraq?Were we lied to? Were they
planning an attack even before 911?
And here I thought this was going to be about 'Dishonest president' GW
Bush, Mission Accomplished, Weapons of Mass Destruction, 5,000 dead - 75,000
wounded American servicemen/women, and $4 Trillion of unfunded spending...But Utah, the Deseret News and the Republican establishment with their
15 second goldfish memories can't seem to EVER remember.Only
Obama and his, "secret" birth certificate, Benghazi cover-ups, and
telling "millions" of Americans [all 0.4% of them] who had their
substandard insurance policies cancelled.I'd like to know, Does ANYBODY in Utah know personally of ANYBODY who has received one of these
letters and been dropped?[on the contrary, I've talked with many who
have been previously denied, who can now get it.]I've been
asking this for weeks now -- and still haven't heard of anyone.
Since before Jan 20, 2009 you continually judge a man by a different standard
than those before. I wonder where your outrage was for those who lost their
insurance before the ACA or were forced to file bankruptcy because of medical
reasons or those who were 'misled' to search for weapons of mass
destruction or the thousands that died after "mission accomplished".
It's amazing that it's a lie when this POTUS speaks but when the last
guy speaks it's just politics.
@Wayne Maden "Democrats who are up for re-election next year are starting to
distance themselves from him and his plans."Wow, I believe I
have just met the master of understatement. Distancing themselves? They're
fleeing like rats from a burning ship.The problem for them is that
the botched rollout was preceded by botched legislation. And they all voted for
As I am not a mind-reader, I don't know if O is a conscious liar or not. I
don't know if GW Bush was a conscious liar when he got us into Iraq. I
doubt either of them intended to create a debacle. History will judge the
consequences of both. I suspect history will be kinder to Obama.
President Obama made a statement that was true for about 95% of the people. And
he should have clarified that it wouldn't apply to the other 5%. But on the
other side, opponents of the ACA have been spouting one outrageous lie after
another e.g. death panels, government takeover of all healthcare, people will
get microchipped by the government, etc.These same people that have
been lying through their teeth are now absolutely outraged that the president
made a statement that was only 95% true.
Irony Guy sums it up well and let me add to his comments by saying that all
Presidents either lie or were incorrect when stating supporting arguments for
NatePleasant Grove, UT@Wayne Maden "Democrats who are up for
re-election next year are starting to distance themselves from him and his
plans."Wow, I believe I have just met the master of
understatement. Distancing themselves? They're fleeing like rats from a
burning ship.The problem for them is that the botched rollout was
preceded by botched legislation. And they all voted for it.8:32 a.m.
Nov. 20, 2013===== Wow Nat -- I thought you were
talking about the new and improved Mike Lee, member key-figurehead of the
Republican Tea-Party Caucus.or the NOW "I'm not a
Tea-Partier" Mia Love.Talk about the #1 play from Mitt
Romney's Flip-Flop political playbook.
Mr. Maden wrote: "Did he intentionally lie? That's quite hard to prove,
and he knows that. But remember, the best con men are the ones who draw you into
their confidence."The letter was not about former Presidents.
It was about our current President. Surely no one would claim that a former
President is forcing Obama to lie. Surely no one would tell us that Obama is
just a puppet for some former President. Surely no one would stoop so low as to
divert attention away from Obama.Obama is the President. The facts
are beginning to come in about ObamaCare. The facts being presented by
DEMOCRATS contradict what Obama said. The facts show that Obama knew that his
"promises" were untrue.The question demands that we evaluate
Obama. Either Obama is a dupe who doesn't know what is going on or he
purposefully lied to us. Which is worse? Which would engender trust?Obama has used up his allotment of "trust". He needs to feel the
consequences of what he has done (or failed to do, if he really is ignorant of
the consequences of signing ObamaCare).
Let's not forget -- President George "Read My Lips, NO new
taxes!" Bush.President finger waging Bill "I did not have sexual
relations" Clinton, President Reagan and Iran-Contra, President
Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon, But, let's stay
focused on the only President ever capable of telling a 95% half/truth...
Recent polls indicate that if the last election were held today, Romney would
win. It's called buyers remorse. Obama has been exposed as a rigid
ideologist who still believes that nothing good can come unless the government
does it. He has subsidized a dependent class of voters that is his base. The
census bureau revelations concerning their manipulation of job creation and
unemployment prior to the last election confirm that the supine media and this
dishonest administration stop at nothing to present their fantasy of prosperity.
The ACA fiasco is not the problem, it is a symptom of the administration's
incompetence and dishonesty.
You have your choice of dishonesty or ignorance. Pick the one you feel
comfortable with. The trouble with being honest 95% of the time is that one
cannot tell when the other 5% is being spoken.
@Roland Kayser "President Obama made a statement that was true for about 95%
of the people."That's incorrect. You're not figuring
in the employer mandate, which kicks in next year. The Obama administration has
estimated that somewhere between 39% and 69% of health care plans would be
replaced under Obamacare. They have argued this before the Supreme Court, while
Obama was telling everyone "If you like your health care plan, you'll
be able to keep your health care plan. Period."The 5% figure is
another Obama lie. Don't be suckered in by it. He's not credible.
embarrassed Utahn!RE: "Barack Obama is a great man and truly
wanted to be a bi-partisan leader. Republican "Party of NO"
representatives simply wanted this great man to be a failure"...If he really wanted to be a bi-partisan leader... then why did he allow his
super-majority in Congress actually LOCK the doors to the room where they were
discussing and crafting the Obama Care legislation and not allow a single
Republican into the room??Google it... Democrats actually had the
locks changed on the doors to keep Republicans out of the chambers where they
were discussing the legislation!How the heck is THAT
"bi-partisan"??Barack Obama PROMISED to change Washington
politics as usual... but name even ONE thing he has actually done to even TRY to
accomplish that!Locking Republicans out does NOT accomplish that.
Congressional leaders telling Republicans "We don't need your votes so
you won't be involved in the conversation"... does not send that
message to the other party.IF Obama really wanted to be bi... he
would have reigned in his party' leaders in Congress and INSISTED they
involve Republicans in crafting his first legislation.
New report indicates 500,000 peopled died in Iraq. No WMD's. Lets have a honest conversation about a lying President….
It started out as a true statement when made before the healthcare bill passed
because all plans before then would be grandfathered in. It's only plans
developed after Obamacare passed that fail to meet Obamacare standards that
there are issues with. These issues affect around 5% of people. It's just silly the feigned outrage as if this is the first time a
politician has ever said a statement that turned out to be false.@Nate"You're not figuring in the employer mandate, which kicks
in next year."The employer mandate has nothing to do with this.
@2bitsIt takes two to tango and the Republicans have shown no
willingness to work on anything (where's their immigration bill btw?).
Pagan,RE: "New report indicates 500,000 peopled died in
Iraq"... andAre you aware that more American soldiers have died
in the first 5 years Obama has been President than the whole 8 years Bush was
President? ---It's not so fun when you realize
that your partisan game ends up pointing more to your guy than to the one you
WANTED to vilify.This is a quote from an article dated June 27
2013)..."575 US troops died in Afghanistan during the Bush presidency.
By August 18, 2010, following two troop surges initiated by President Obama,
that number had doubled. Today, over 1500 US troops have died in Afghanistan
since President Obama took office".That was dated June 27 2013,
so it's even worse now... And now your hero Obama has signed an agreement
to keep US troops in Afganistan till 2024... what do you have to say about
THAT?I remember in a debate when Senator McCain said he thought we
would be involved in Afghanistan for a decade, and Obama and the Democrat-Media
ridiculed McCain over that. It's weird that you think this
vilifies Bush and not Obama.
Pagan....Please do some research on the internet and you find that
the US did Actually find WMD's in IRAQ after their invasions...what they did not find is any "NEW" WMD's, but they did find some
WMD's that was suppose to be destroyed under the UN mandate of 1991...Sorry to bust your bubble, the fact that no liberal News media reported
it shows the bias. Check out wikileaks and Huffington Post for more details.
hmmm, so Obama lied about something that is helping 47 million people or more in
the long run?But, Bush merely made a "mistake" by invading
Iraq due to bad info about WMD's? Bush's "mistake" has killed
over 4,000 Americans and more than 100,000 Iraqi's. Bush's
"mistake" has kept the U.S. in Afghanistan for the longest war in our
history.Bush's "mistakes" have cost $trillions and will
take another decade to correct.Obama's "lie" about a
few people being able keep their current Doctors and coverage is much worse
though.Is that about right???
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