Oh my goodness! I bet the usual crowd who are posting about religious
interference in the public square are going to go ballistic about this!
This medicaid expansion is a really bad deal for the State. The Federal
Government pays most of it the first 3 years, after which time the majority of
the funding comes directly from the State.It is an unfunded
liability that sounds good initially, but will cost the State (that's you
and me, folks) tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars a year down the
road to keep it going. It is like the "More Cops On The Street"
initiative several years ago. The cities and states took the money, but had to
lay off all the people they hired because the federal funding ended.I say to the State Government: Just say thanks, but no thanks. We cannot
What worries me the most is the reason why these religious leaders are going to
the state for this.Since the religious leaders are suposed to be the
shepards or caretakers of their flocks, doesn't this mean that their
congregations are not stepping up and caring for the poor as they should?My concern isn't as much for the physical needs of those that need
medical care, but for the congregations that are so lost spiritually that they
are not willing to sacrifice to help the poor.
@TekakaromatagiNo. What those who shout about "separation of
church and state" are really saying is, "Separate Church and State,
unless we agree with the church."Political groups such as the
ACLU and Barry Lynn's Americans United for the Separation of Church and
State really don't mind at all if churches and church leaders get involved
in political matters, just so long as those churches agree with said
group's political agenda.The reason there is a constant
movement to silence conservative churches such as the LDS Church and Catholic
Church has nothing whatsoever to do with the Establishment Clause of the U.S.
Constitution. It is simply about not allowing the right the use of a political
arm which the left has been using for decades and decades. And the
proof? When was the last time a liberal church was investigated by the IRS or
had its tax exempt status taken away for being considered too political?
@itsjustme:The Federal Government pays 100% of the cost of the Medicaid
Expansion for the first 3 years and 90% thereafter. (Utah paying only 10% after
the first 3 years hardly counts as "the majority of the funding comes
directly from the State" as you stated in your comment.) Much of that 10%
will be paid for by cost-savings in other areas where the state of Utah
currently carries the entire financial burden.
Tekakaromatagi and Hippo,Your snarky-ness aside, you are both
wrong.This IS bothersome to some of us who oppose undue religious
influence in government and the public square. But more troublesome is the
hypocrisy this represents. They want the government and taxpayers to care for
these hundreds of thousands of poor and needy people so that they can keep their
Church coffers swelling with Caesar's gold!Rarely in human
history have we seen as much raw greed as we have seen in the name of religion
and its gods.
How is it that you as one of the prominent papers in Utah can with a straight
face and a smile tell the citizens of Utah that this is going to be at a great
expense to the taxpayers? What happened to truth in journalism? This would be a
very good thing for the people of Utah and the "expense" would be ten
percent after five years? So if the federal government spends $50M
"after" 5 years the taxpayers would pay $5M! So how is that at a great
expense? I think ten for one is pretty good return on investment! So I just do
not get Gary Herbert's or your take on how it will cost us too much money
to care for those less fortunate! I just do not see how elected officials can
pander to special interest groups for profit and disregard the needs of their
@jean22 - And since when has the government ever made good on their commitments?
Talk to healthcare providers now, and most will tell you what a pain it is
dealing with Medicaid and getting timely payments. Once the true costs of this
program hit, congress can vote to reduce their contribution. Secondly, all
federal government funds come from taxpayers...as do state funds, so in either
case we the taxpayers end up funding it. We as taxpayers aren't going to
get any kind of "deal" or be absolved from the costs associated with
Gosh. You mean all I'll be responsible for is my portion of the Utah
contribution? Wow, all those people paying into the Federal coffers sure are
generous! Oh, wait....
I assume the LDS Church will also be signing this statement since they now jump
on the bandwagon with other faiths even for beliefs they don't hold
Count me in!And I will be supporting the Episcopalians with my
“Fast Offering” this month to help with those costs.He
IS the same God you don’t you know.Besides -- How can
Medicaid Expansion possibly be a "evil" or a "sin"?Mormons
in other States are being blessed and living under their State's evil and
sinful Medicaid Expansions.and I bet they are remain worthy Temple
@Redshirt1701"Since the religious leaders are suposed to be the
shepards or caretakers of their flocks, doesn't this mean that their
congregations are not stepping up and caring for the poor as they
should?"4 billion is roughly the entire amount provided by food
pantries in this nation for a year. 4 billion is the amount slashed from food
stamps each year (Republicans wanted to slash much more than that). It's
not that "their congregations are not stepping up" but rather everyone
would not step up to make up the gap.
Why can't Utah join up and get the free federal money? It's FREE!!!
Obama and the leftists promised me that healthcare would be free!!!!!They have that magical money tree that pays for all of this, see, so Utah
won't pay anything!!! It's a win win win! Free Medicaid, free money
from the feds, people being forced onto Medicaid (which is FREE FREE FREE)
because their evil greedy insurance companies actually want to make a profit!
Don't they know that profit is evil? Why can't Herbert
trust Obama on this? I mean, Obama is known for telling the truth, no matter
what. He would never mislead or stretch the truth! Utah can like this Medicaid
plan--for surely they will be able to keep it! Obama said so, and He would
never lie! Why can't everyone see what these religious leaders
see-- That the Federal Government is the greatest thing on earth!!! And besides, it's all FREEEEEEEE!
To "atl134" and what is your point? We have doubled the number of
people receiving food stamps sinc Obama took office.You also have a
pessimestic view of the american people. Prior to all of the welfare programs,
people took care of their neighbors. Now, if they are lucky, they will get a
ride to the welfare office. I say kill 99% of the welfare programs. Let people
care for their neighbors, they will receive better care that way.