Comments about ‘Faith leaders publicly lobby for Medicaid expansion’

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Published: Thursday, Nov. 21 2013 9:40 a.m. MST

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Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Oh my goodness! I bet the usual crowd who are posting about religious interference in the public square are going to go ballistic about this!

itsjustme
Vernal, UT

This medicaid expansion is a really bad deal for the State. The Federal Government pays most of it the first 3 years, after which time the majority of the funding comes directly from the State.

It is an unfunded liability that sounds good initially, but will cost the State (that's you and me, folks) tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars a year down the road to keep it going. It is like the "More Cops On The Street" initiative several years ago. The cities and states took the money, but had to lay off all the people they hired because the federal funding ended.

I say to the State Government: Just say thanks, but no thanks. We cannot afford it.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

What worries me the most is the reason why these religious leaders are going to the state for this.

Since the religious leaders are suposed to be the shepards or caretakers of their flocks, doesn't this mean that their congregations are not stepping up and caring for the poor as they should?

My concern isn't as much for the physical needs of those that need medical care, but for the congregations that are so lost spiritually that they are not willing to sacrifice to help the poor.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Tekakaromatagi

No. What those who shout about "separation of church and state" are really saying is, "Separate Church and State, unless we agree with the church."

Political groups such as the ACLU and Barry Lynn's Americans United for the Separation of Church and State really don't mind at all if churches and church leaders get involved in political matters, just so long as those churches agree with said group's political agenda.

The reason there is a constant movement to silence conservative churches such as the LDS Church and Catholic Church has nothing whatsoever to do with the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution. It is simply about not allowing the right the use of a political arm which the left has been using for decades and decades.

And the proof? When was the last time a liberal church was investigated by the IRS or had its tax exempt status taken away for being considered too political?

jean22
Bountiful, UT

@itsjustme:
The Federal Government pays 100% of the cost of the Medicaid Expansion for the first 3 years and 90% thereafter. (Utah paying only 10% after the first 3 years hardly counts as "the majority of the funding comes directly from the State" as you stated in your comment.) Much of that 10% will be paid for by cost-savings in other areas where the state of Utah currently carries the entire financial burden.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Tekakaromatagi and Hippo,

Your snarky-ness aside, you are both wrong.

This IS bothersome to some of us who oppose undue religious influence in government and the public square. But more troublesome is the hypocrisy this represents. They want the government and taxpayers to care for these hundreds of thousands of poor and needy people so that they can keep their Church coffers swelling with Caesar's gold!

Rarely in human history have we seen as much raw greed as we have seen in the name of religion and its gods.

Gueneviere
Roy, UT

How is it that you as one of the prominent papers in Utah can with a straight face and a smile tell the citizens of Utah that this is going to be at a great expense to the taxpayers? What happened to truth in journalism? This would be a very good thing for the people of Utah and the "expense" would be ten percent after five years? So if the federal government spends $50M "after" 5 years the taxpayers would pay $5M! So how is that at a great expense? I think ten for one is pretty good return on investment! So I just do not get Gary Herbert's or your take on how it will cost us too much money to care for those less fortunate! I just do not see how elected officials can pander to special interest groups for profit and disregard the needs of their constituents!

Shawnm750
West Jordan, UT

@jean22 - And since when has the government ever made good on their commitments? Talk to healthcare providers now, and most will tell you what a pain it is dealing with Medicaid and getting timely payments. Once the true costs of this program hit, congress can vote to reduce their contribution. Secondly, all federal government funds come from taxpayers...as do state funds, so in either case we the taxpayers end up funding it. We as taxpayers aren't going to get any kind of "deal" or be absolved from the costs associated with this program.

LGH
Sandy, UT

Gosh. You mean all I'll be responsible for is my portion of the Utah contribution? Wow, all those people paying into the Federal coffers sure are generous! Oh, wait....

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

I assume the LDS Church will also be signing this statement since they now jump on the bandwagon with other faiths even for beliefs they don't hold themselves.

Right?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Count me in!

And I will be supporting the Episcopalians with my “Fast Offering” this month to help with those costs.

He IS the same God you don’t you know.

Besides --
How can Medicaid Expansion possibly be a "evil" or a "sin"?
Mormons in other States are being blessed and living under their State's evil and sinful Medicaid Expansions.
and I bet they are remain worthy Temple Recommend holders.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt1701
"Since the religious leaders are suposed to be the shepards or caretakers of their flocks, doesn't this mean that their congregations are not stepping up and caring for the poor as they should?"

4 billion is roughly the entire amount provided by food pantries in this nation for a year. 4 billion is the amount slashed from food stamps each year (Republicans wanted to slash much more than that). It's not that "their congregations are not stepping up" but rather everyone would not step up to make up the gap.

Vanceone
Provo, UT

Why can't Utah join up and get the free federal money? It's FREE!!! Obama and the leftists promised me that healthcare would be free!!!!!

They have that magical money tree that pays for all of this, see, so Utah won't pay anything!!! It's a win win win! Free Medicaid, free money from the feds, people being forced onto Medicaid (which is FREE FREE FREE) because their evil greedy insurance companies actually want to make a profit! Don't they know that profit is evil?

Why can't Herbert trust Obama on this? I mean, Obama is known for telling the truth, no matter what. He would never mislead or stretch the truth! Utah can like this Medicaid plan--for surely they will be able to keep it! Obama said so, and He would never lie!

Why can't everyone see what these religious leaders see-- That the Federal Government is the greatest thing on earth!!!

And besides, it's all FREEEEEEEE!

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "atl134" and what is your point? We have doubled the number of people receiving food stamps sinc Obama took office.

You also have a pessimestic view of the american people. Prior to all of the welfare programs, people took care of their neighbors. Now, if they are lucky, they will get a ride to the welfare office. I say kill 99% of the welfare programs. Let people care for their neighbors, they will receive better care that way.

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