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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 19 2013 5:50 p.m. MST

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2-headed
Salt Lake City, UT

Shazandra—
--“Last time I checked … confidence/pride/smug upittiness were human characteristics which skip no race, color or creed.”--

I don’t dispute that confidence is a transracial characteristic. My point was simply that Reagan is praised and Obama criticized for the same quality.

--“Using your (flawed) logic, anyone who points out Reagan's confidence hates white men.”--

That would be true only if white men shared the black man’s history of racial oppression. Don't try to even a historically uneven playing field by insisting that I be unfair to Reagan in the same way Noonan is unfair to Obama. And if you’ll recall, I did not criticize Reagan for his confidence. I pointed out Noonan's apparent double standard.

You're trying to argue that you and Noonan find Obama’s confidence “obnoxious,” not for any racial animus, but simply because it is. That line of reasoning would be plausible if a pattern of similar verbal assaults on Obama’s confidence were not on record.

Shazandra
Bakersfield, CA

2-headed:

All the best, but flawed. Been there, done that. Race baiting at its worst.

What about all the Black Conservatives and Repubs who agree? Do they hate their own race?

Cocky, arrogant, flawed, manipulative: that describes plenty of politicians, regardless of their race, history, silver-spooned or povertied heritage.

Honesty, facts and truth trump context or the Straw Man ruse every time. Perception is a major factor in voting, as well as prejudices. They both exist, independent of the other.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington
As I read the article, I thought that the speaker was critical of just about everyone.

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She's just following the same formula used by FoxsNews and AM radio --

1. Talk about patriotism and love of country,
2. identify those who do not share your narrow opinions, and then villify them,
3. begin blaming them [and only them] for every conceiveable ill, flaw, or whoa.
4. Fertilize with Fear about what will happen next if left unchecked
5. Whip up the angry mob and spring into action.

It worked well for 30-minute info-mercials,
burning witches and
and Nazi Germany.

Paul in MD
Montgomery Village, MD

Pagan, yes, Obama won the 2012 election. But information forms opinions, and opinions support votes. Recent polls suggest if held today, the election would go to Romney. One of those polls asked that question specifically, and the result was Romney 53%, Obama 47%.

LDS Liberal, over the years I've seen very few stories from ABC/CBS/NBC disparaging Democrats, even when they were caught with classified documents in their shorts, but Fox doesn't hesitate to report the facts when a Republican does something wrong. Frankly, I take all the news broadcasters with a big grain of salt. Fox just doesn't seem to varnish things nearly as much as the others.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

"The biggest mistake of Mr. Obama's presidency was not winning over any of the opposing party on the central endeavor of his entire presidency, and that is ObamaCare. … Now Mr. Obama is in a fix with no one to help him out."

Mr Obama had no intention of even trying to win over the GOP. Mr Obama ignorantly assumed he didn't need them. I think what we see in Obama is just a man whom was never meant to govern ...period. The man never governed or led anything in his life ....no experience as a leader and we are all paying for that mistake over and over again.

Alex 1
Tucson, AZ

marxist:

Over 75% of the casualties in Afghanistan were under the watch of your lord and master, Barack Obama. He and people like you were so indignant at Bush, that when Obama got into office, he ended up allowing 3x as many casualties as Bush ever did, while Obama supporters became curiously silent. I will not be lectured to by leftists over dead Americans.

Turtles Run
Houston, TX

Alex 1 wrote: Over 75% of the casualties in Afghanistan were under the watch of your lord and master, Barack Obama.

First we have Presidents not lord & masters in this nation.

Second, these wars continued under Obama but he did not start them. So he could not just up and order the troops out of those countries without disastrous result. Results which I am sure would be thrown in his face by the right-wing. Your comments on the war casualties demonstrate you have little knowledge of consequences and seek to use our war dead as a prop to bash a President you do not agree with.

@ Patriot - Your comments on Fox News made me laugh so hard I think I pulled a muscle.

BlueHusky
Mission Viejo, CA

I voted for Goldwater, Reagan, Nixon, Bush I (first term), Bush II (first term). I've voted straight Democratic since Bush II's second term. I'm still a registered Republican. But I despise the GOP today. The Party of Stupid was able to carry only the Confederacy and the government-hating cowboys in Utah, Idaho and Wyoming.

I campaigned for Romney in 2008. I supported his immigration policy and his healthcare plan. When Obama adopted Romney's plan, I cheerfully switched to campaigning for the moderate Obama. Yes moderate. You GOP stalwarts are on the extreme right wing of American politics. Luckily, you make up only about 25% of the population with the center at 55% and the progressives at about 20% on the left.

Guess what. Obama won twice. ACA was validated by Obama's victory. The GOP has been actively trying to undo the ACA since it was passed. Whatever happened to Democracy? The Majority of the people voted FOR Obama and the ACA. You lost. Now it's time to get on board and fix the bugs. It is the law of the land. Get over it.

John Locke
Ivins, , UT

If "43" lied about Iraq having WMDs, then others did too, including Hilary Clinton and our present Secretary of State, John Kerry. Or else, information that was available to President George W. Bush was withheld from them. I am not sure that that claim was ever made, even by them. They simply called Bush a liar, and now cringe when their president is.

On the other hand, President Obama told the American people that information about the possibility of the ACA website failing was not made available to him...,the old political stunt of "plausible deniability" in his case, and just about almost anything his administration is the same. But, he must be a good golfer or a scholar, even though that information is withheld from us.

wazzup
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Kings Court........name one intelligence agency from any country that didn't believe Saddam had WMD's....including the United Nations. That's why resolution after resolution was passed by the security council trying to force Iraq to comply with inspectors. It never happened.

To say Bush lied, is a lie.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "BlueHusky" what you say about the ACA could be said about Jim Crow laws, abortion laws, voting laws, and so many other things. If a law is a bad law, we should fight to have it removed regardless of who implemented it, and if the courts have declared it legal.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

UN Weapons Inspectors left Iraq 1998.
Oct 16 2002 Iraq War Resolution
Nov 27 2002 UN Weapons Inspectors returned to Iraq

March 7 2003 UN Weapons Inspectors report:

"There is no indication of resumed nuclear activities in those buildings that were identified through the use of satellite imagery as being reconstructed or newly erected since 1998, nor any indication of nuclear-related prohibited activities at any inspected sites.
There is no indication that Iraq has attempted to import uranium since 1990.
There is no indication that Iraq has attempted to import aluminium tubes for use in centrifuge enrichment. Moreover, even had Iraq pursued such a plan, it would have encountered practical difficulties in manufacturing centrifuges out of the aluminium tubes in question.

After three months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons programme in Iraq."
IAEA Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei

"Inspections in Iraq resumed, In matters relating to process, we have faced relatively few difficulties...
How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? ... It would not take years, nor weeks, but months."
Hans Blix UN Inspector

March 20 2003 Iraq War begins

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Truthseeker! Stop it. Can't you see they have their fingers in their ears and are sing songing, "nyah nyah nyah we can't hear you."

There is absolutely no question the Bush administration was trying to make the strongest case possible to go to war with Iraq, even if that meant dismissing what the intelligence community was telling them and out and out lying about Iraq's WMDs.

Don't believe me? Go research Collin Powell's key speech to the UN, and what the intelligence community was actually telling him about it when they vetted it before he gave it. The intelligence community memos with what they were saying are public record.

CBAX
Provo, UT

Good stuff on these boards. People arguing and making good points here and there on different levels. From one point of view or persuasion one view point might be favorable. People with different experiences personal and professional speak about what they think is the best. It goes on and on.

This is the first time in the while I have come to the political news section on Dnews, and for some reason I feel right at home... oh yea I have been on the BYU/UTAH threads and they are basically the same thing. A bunch of people with different opinions spouting about pointless things.

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